Hose Bib/ Sillcock?

[karoc]

Hose Bib or Sillcock for water hoses. I have 2x6 walls which my plumbing is Pex A Looking for suggestions on what to get, something better than what big box stores sell. I really don’t know what difference is between the two other than Sillcock screws to wall or stud. Open for ideas on what to use in area that does freeze few days in roll

 

[Steve W.]

A sillcock not only screws to the wall, it goes through it. A freeze-proof sillcock will have its shut-off control near the 'back' of the device (on the inside of the building), and allow any water in the pipe to drain out the outside, so it does not freeze. They are available in different lengths to mount in different thicknesses of walls.

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[larry4406]

Woodford makes good units. I don’t like their plastic handles though.

Get one with a long barrel 10-12”.

Ensure it’s sloped at exit. Most include a bevel “washer” to achieve this but most have no clue what it is and throw it away.

I like to position hose bibs around knee height on exterior. If a buried basement is involved, this means I place the bib inline with an interior wall perpendicular to the exterior so the shutoff pinch point is well inside the thermal envelope.

With a walkout condition, I typically put them in the band board area based on exterior.

Some times you can come in thru a cabinet to get the pinch point inside the thermal envelope.

Some times you are simply eff’d and can’t use a long barrel valve. Then you make damn sure you drain.

Most lawyers for the suppliers refer to them as “frost proof” vs “freeze proof”.

 

[dave*99]

Sometimes you can get the pipe into a perpendicular wall. This leaves room for a service loop.

 

[duneslider]

I am in the process of getting and converting all my outdoor bibs to the Aquor product. I have used woodford forever and they are fine but in my current house the water ***** and hoses are welding themselves to the hose bib, I even tried anti-seize on one hose and I still had to destroy the hose to get it off.

I am trying to buy only hoses with brass ends but that seems to getting harder to find.

All my hose bibs have the service loop, I am very glad my plumber did that!

 

[dave*99]

I am in the process of getting and converting all my outdoor bibs to the Aquor product. I have used woodford forever and they are fine but in my current house the water ***** and hoses are welding themselves to the hose bib, I even tried anti-seize on one hose and I still had to destroy the hose to get it off.

I am trying to buy only hoses with brass ends but that seems to getting harder to find.

All my hose bibs have the service loop, I am very glad my plumber did that!

Eley sells hoses and brass fittings. Buy once cry once.

 

[larry4406]

I am in the process of getting and converting all my outdoor bibs to the Aquor product. I have used woodford forever and they are fine but in my current house the water ***** and hoses are welding themselves to the hose bib, I even tried anti-seize on one hose and I still had to destroy the hose to get it off.

I am trying to buy only hoses with brass ends but that seems to getting harder to find.

All my hose bibs have the service loop, I am very glad my plumber did that!

The Aquor “looks cool”. About it in my opinion.

But you can’t winterize it unless you jamb the fitting into it. Trust that frost proof = freeze proof?

Where do you store the fitting when not in use? Lying in the shrub bed connected to hose where grit collects on the o-ring slicing it when you insert it? I’ve replaced several o-rings already (in reality I just **** canned the adapter and used new). Several the plastic threads are worn out in less than 6-8 months use.

Oh don’t forget you can’t have the adapter connected for more than 12 hours at a time (RTFM).

The flap closure piece has a flange with bevel which creates the tilt. This needs to be behind the ports flange. About useless on irregular surfaces like stone.

Make sure you clock the port properly or the hinge is aligned wrong.

I have a community of 7 homes with these and they ****. Wish you the best.

These are a solution to a non existent problem in my opinion.

 

[duneslider]

The Aquor “looks cool”. About it in my opinion.

But you can’t winterize it unless you jamb the fitting into it. Trust that frost proof = freeze proof?

Where do you store the fitting when not in use? Lying in the shrub bed connected to hose where grit collects on the o-ring slicing it when you insert it? I’ve replaced several o-rings already (in reality I just **** canned the adapter and used new). Several the plastic threads are worn out in less than 6-8 months use.

Oh don’t forget you can’t have the adapter connected for more than 12 hours at a time (RTFM).

The flap closure piece has a flange with bevel which creates the tilt. This needs to be behind the ports flange. About useless on irregular surfaces like stone.

Make sure you clock the port properly or the hinge is aligned wrong.

I have a community of 7 homes with these and they ****. Wish you the best.

These are a solution to a non existent problem in my opinion.

I think you are the first person I have heard that has had problems with the Aquor bibs. Everyone I have talked to loves theirs.

 

[larry4406]

I think you are the first person I have heard that has had problems with the Aquor bibs. Everyone I have talked to loves theirs.

Wish you and them the best.

We love them so much that after this first 7 unit subdivision we have gone back to traditional hose bibs. Our customers hate them and I have my feelings as well.

They have zero place in new home construction (that’s what I do).

Not one trade knows how to use a hose - insert and twist WTF? How do I shut it off - twist and pop out? What is this grey plastic insert?

What do I do with it? Dump it on the ground with hose attached so it’s still there. Better yet, this is weird so I’m taking it so I know I can get water any time I want.

Customer - it’s on too much I want to slow it down. Sorry sir/mam you can’t throttle it. It’s on or off. Oh don’t put a valve on it to use cause it can’t stay pressurized for more than 12 hours (RTFM).

What do I do with the adapter? Yes.

How do I drain the system? Yes.

 

[SARG]

Duneslider ..........
Seems the issue is with the hose
The best I've even gotten is the "Flexilla Colors". The plastic ends are outstanding. Not cheap at about 50 dollars for 5/8 x 50' ..... but my current one has four years on it with no issues.

 

[Pen & Wrench]

I to address your question, I would think that a plumbing supply house would have more options and top quality products.

 

[Leaflessshadetree]

Choose by brand and model. I've had good luck with Woodford (even ones I bought at the big box stores). For decades they seem to have been the most popular brand.

 

[Gizzygone]

I have aquor and Woodford.

Downside to aquor is you need their adapters. If for some reason they go under, you’re back to square one. If you have multiple hoses, you’ll want multiple adapters. Neat product, but the proprietary design is worrisome.

The woodford I have is a hot/cold faucet. Highly highly recommend going that route (although Aquor now has a hot/cold model also, I believe)

 

[PCustoms]

I have either a primer or Woodford, I can't remember. 1/4 turn plastic handle, not bought at the box store.

1st one I bought too short to make it through the rim joist/foam into where I could get to it. Shelved that for years and installed it under the deck last year, drained when it gets cold.

Other one been in use for 8yrs

No issues.

 

[462867aa]

Make sure you can get replacement parts. Had to replace the whole assembly on mine because parts weren't available.

 

[Tinkerer2]

I am in the process of getting and converting all my outdoor bibs to the Aquor product. I have used woodford forever and they are fine but in my current house the water ***** and hoses are welding themselves to the hose bib, I even tried anti-seize on one hose and I still had to destroy the hose to get it off.

I am trying to buy only hoses with brass ends but that seems to getting harder to find.

All my hose bibs have the service loop, I am very glad my plumber did that!

I put teflon tape on the male end of this and then attach to the hose. The teflon tape prevents galvanic corrosion since the metals don't touch and hose won't weld to it. And if it does, it stays with the hose anyway.

Camco Flexible Hose Protector

 

[dave*99]

Make sure you can get replacement parts. Had to replace the whole assembly on mine because parts weren't available.

In todays world, sometimes that means buying a spare unit to cannibalize for parts.

Seems the cheap **** replaces the tried and true stuff on store shelves. After a while the tried and true stuff is no longer manufactured in favor of the cheap ****.

 

[SARG]

Indeed ........ I tend to always buy at least two .......... my spare sillcock is in the garage waiting in queue.

 

[karoc]

Here’s what I come up with, but going check see if can get these for Pex A so can cut out fittings. Plan on installing 4 of these, one on each corner. Any thoughts

 

[Gizzygone]

Woodford Sku 19w-12 should be what you’re looking for. Shows on the supply house website.

 

[karoc]

Woodford Sku 19w-12 should be what you’re looking for. Shows on the supply house website.

Thanks,perfect

 

[HoosierBuddy]

The Aquor “looks cool”. About it in my opinion.



These are a solution to a non existent problem in my opinion.

I get your frustration, but in my case they were the only viable solution to a real problem.

I had a silcock removed from the back of my house when we added a deck for a hot tub as the silcock would end up being about 2 inches above the deck height, not allowing a hose to be hooked to it.

For years, we refilled the hot tub, after water changes, by stringing a hose all the way around the house.

When I saw the Aquor fitting, I realized it would allow me to put it in right in place of the old silcock, as it doesn't need clearance below it to hook up a hose. Now I keep a 12-foot hose with the adapter on one end and a brass throttling valve on the other end for hot tub refill in with my hot tub supplies.

Also...I should mention that my original silcock came into my basement (unfinished) between the floor joists and maybe an inch beneath my kitchen floor above. There was no way to raise it in place without making the drawers in the cabinet above non-functional.

Anyway...I love it for use on my deck.

 

[Wiz02]

I get your frustration, but in my case they were the only viable solution to a real problem.

I had a silcock removed from the back of my house when we added a deck for a hot tub as the silcock would end up being about 2 inches above the deck height, not allowing a hose to be hooked to it.

For years, we refilled the hot tub, after water changes, by stringing a hose all the way around the house.

When I saw the Aquor fitting, I realized it would allow me to put it in right in place of the old silcock, as it doesn't need clearance below it to hook up a hose. Now I keep a 12-foot hose with the adapter on one end and a brass throttling valve on the other end for hot tub refill in with my hot tub supplies.

Also...I should mention that my original silcock came into my basement (unfinished) between the floor joists and maybe an inch beneath my kitchen floor above. There was no way to raise it in place without making the drawers in the cabinet above non-functional.

Anyway...I love it for use on my deck.

I know that you already have a solution, but couldn't you just have angled the existing sillcock or replaced it so the hose end was angled? Wouldn't that have given you sufficient clearance?

Or how about this from HD? Looks like it would be less than 2 inches tall when tightened.

3/4 in. FHT 90-Degree Brass Elbow Fitting

Everbilt 3/4 in. MHT x 3/4 in. FHT 90-Degree Brass Elbow Fitting 801699 - The Home Depot

This garden hose 90° elbow enables you to seamlessly change the direction or angle of your garden hose or washing machine inlets and outlets. Constructed from durable, lead-free brass, this elbow resists

www.bing.com

 

[rayra]

I am in the process of getting and converting all my outdoor bibs to the Aquor product. I have used woodford forever and they are fine but in my current house the water ***** and hoses are welding themselves to the hose bib, I even tried anti-seize on one hose and I still had to destroy the hose to get it off.

I am trying to buy only hoses with brass ends but that seems to getting harder to find.

All my hose bibs have the service loop, I am very glad my plumber did that!

RectorSeal T Plus 2 in. 4 oz. Teflon Pipe-Thread Putty/Sealant 23633 - The Home Depot

www.homedepot.com

Or even just simply wrapping the bib threads in PTFE tape before attaching the hose.

 

[acer66]

A bit late to the party but I am going back and forth if I should do a hot and cold or just cold.

Thoughts?

Thank you.

 

[larry4406]

A bit late to the party but I am going back and forth if I should do a hot and cold or just cold.

Thoughts?

Thank you.

Yes - do both if you can arrange it such that the pinch point valve is well inside the thermal envelope. Used mine today and was nice as 24F outside.

 

[acer66]

Yes - do both if you can arrange it such that the pinch point valve is well inside the thermal envelope. Used mine today and was nice as as 24F outside.

Cool and it will be inside the conditioned space of a working pantry that will have a sink which got me thinking about putting in an exterior faucet in.

 

[larry4406]

Cool and it will be inside the conditioned space of a working pantry that will have a sink which got me thinking about putting in an exterior faucet in.

I have 2 of these vertical Woodford's. They offer different end connections (NPT threaded, PEX, etc) as well as different barrel lengths so you can ensure the pinch point is well inside the heated envelope.

Woodford Model 22 Hot and Cold Freezeless Faucet

www.woodfordmfg.com

 

[acer66]

I have 2 of these vertical Woodford's. They offer different end connections (NPT threaded, PEX, etc) as well as different barrel lengths so you can ensure the pinch point is well inside the heated envelope.

Woodford Model 22 Hot and Cold Freezeless Faucet

www.woodfordmfg.com

Thank you, I will run them through the wall and let them stick out a few inches on the inside and box them in somehow.