krusty the clown
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ok guy's........it's a ratcheting lock mechanism. the pliers themselves don't ratchet. it will lock in several positions so it clicks more than once.
Hose Clamp Pliers?
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CatfishXpress
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Maybe once I get the right tool for the job, I won't hate them so much.
Moose-LandTran
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I'm hoping all cars will eventually come with the BMW/VW-Audi system of hoses with a steel end bonded on, then using a C-clip to hold them on. Very good system.
MAD
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I think the main “improvement” of the spring type hose clamps is faster and cheaper assembly of the car for the manufacturer. And since the correct tension is an inherent attribute of the clamp when it is new, there is no need for the manufacturer to measure the installation torque or constantly recalibrate the tools.
Read here....
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=1020
With minimal effort, many other sources can be found.
eschoendorff
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Those PB clamps look really cool. Anyone have any personal experience with them?
JeepsAreBuilt
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I vote for the SK brand.. as you can lock it in multiple positions and not only full lock like others. Nice handles too.. price is not that bad. I want a pair 
TNToy
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Pretty sure the Blue Point's are rebadged Astro Pneumatic 9409's...
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/ap9409.html
Sigh... Okay, repeat after me: They. All. Ratchet.I vote for the SK brand.. as you can lock it in multiple positions and not only full lock like others. Nice handles too.. price is not that bad. I want a pair
Damn! Why is that so hard?
There's a series of small teeth cut into the handles near the pivot, and that thumb lever engages them under spring pressure. Squeeze the handles and they 'ticktickticktick' closed. Hold the thumb lever down, and give them a squeeze, and they pop back open.
I've had the Astros for about a year and a half now. Love 'em. Especially for $29. Since the tool trucks won't warranty the cable (which always snaps before anything else dies), I bought 'em cheap online, and when they finally fail years from now, I'll just go get some more.
krusty the clown
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Merkava_4
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No ... they're Mayhew 28640's just like those Matco's I've got posted up there.
Junkman
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Actually, I don't own one, so maybe it does click more than once.
I am almost always messing around. Hopefully, people don't take my comments too seriously when I am in humor mode.
and all this time, I thought that you knew what you were talking about and were a very serious human bean.
and all this time, I thought that you knew what you were talking about and were a very serious human bean.
I generally know what I'm talking about, but I like to have fun, too...
JayL
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MAD
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GearWrench GearPlier as previously discussed - anyone tried these?
It looks like a nice tool except that the idea of changing from one set of tips to another does not appeal to me at all. Even if the locking collars are as good and fast as they say, how are you supposed to keep the hose clamped with the pinch off attachment and remove the clamp at the same time? For what that kit cost, I would prefer to buy a few individual dedicated use pliers. I have not tried them so I can not comment on how they work though.
geaugafletcher
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I've always just used a pair of regular pliers. Just grip carefully!
eschoendorff
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Dayum! $160 for a set of pliers that will get used every once in a while. And then, just two or three sets of tips will ever see action....
Moose-LandTran
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JayL
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Yeah, hard to justify. I'm thinking of getting this Craftsman @ $39.99. Maybe it will save a day sometime in the future.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947390000P
eschoendorff
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I have that one and it saves my *** every time I use it.
billymade
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I have the Craftsman version and used it to do the waterpump/timing belt r/r on my 1.8T new beetle; for the price it works well and got the job done! I'm sure the high end version over $100 do a better job with better features (adjustable teeth, better grips etc. ) but this was the best price I could find and it is made by the same company that makes many of the more expensive branded models.
Here is the OEM manufacturer:http://www.gillet-tools.com/
and a cool video showing them making these pliers and other tools:
http://www.vautech.info/gillet/v_gillet2_500.wmv
Here is the OEM manufacturer:http://www.gillet-tools.com/
and a cool video showing them making these pliers and other tools:
http://www.vautech.info/gillet/v_gillet2_500.wmv
Uncle Buck
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I better get a set of those Craftys fairly soon cause I bet they go away in the next year or so. Tools like that you have to strike while the iron is hot, or they just disappear from Sears after a few years.
eschoendorff
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I have the Craftsman version and used it to do the waterpump/timing belt r/r on my 1.8T new beetle; for the price it works well and got the job done! I'm sure the high end version over $100 do a better job with better features (adjustable teeth, better grips etc. ) but this was the best price I could find and it is made by the same company that makes many of the more expensive branded models.
Here is the OEM manufacturer:http://www.gillet-tools.com/
and a cool video showing them making these pliers and other tools:
http://www.vautech.info/gillet/v_gillet2_500.wmv
Those are teh Cmans made in France, yes? I would have thought that they were made by Facom... but, in retrospect, it would make more sens that Facom would rebadge them from gillet tools....
UB: go get yourself a set of these. I don't see them being available for $40 forever.... at least not until they are made in China.
Moose-LandTran
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Same here. My friend has a pair of them (no idea which brand, red handles?) and swears by them. I've always found a way to remove the clamps with pliers, never had a problem. only once have i had one ping on me and it was a ~100mm one off a VW MAF pipe.
billymade
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I think they make them as a OEM for so many companies because they have the patent on the design that is the most popular at the moment (pliers/cable); I'm sure once the patent exclusivity "window" ends more manufacturers will make them. I found for my beetle, it was almost impossible without this tool to remove the clamps and even with them it was a challenge; you wouldn't believe how tight the confines of the beetle engine compartment is; a jetta or golf has much more room to work in. After I finished the waterpump/timing belt on my beetle; within a week I did a jetta and it was much easier with more room in the engine compartment to work in.
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Moose-LandTran
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Beetles **** for doing engine work.
When you do Polo timing belts, you have to drop the engine about 6" on the left to get the crank serpentine belt pulley off. There's not enough space otherwise. it's all pretty easy if you're using a lift because you can work easily through the wheel arch and stuff. on the floor is less comfortable.
When you do Polo timing belts, you have to drop the engine about 6" on the left to get the crank serpentine belt pulley off. There's not enough space otherwise. it's all pretty easy if you're using a lift because you can work easily through the wheel arch and stuff. on the floor is less comfortable.
billymade
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I think the hardest part for me, was getting the aluminum engine mount/bracket out and back in; it is really stuffed in there, a major PITA! I think a Jetta/Bora is much easier! The mount in the Bora/Jetta came right out with out any problems. I think the fact that they put the body on top of a golf and the CAD based design process doesn't help either; they conformed the Beetle body to the Golf not the other way around; if they designed a unique Beetle chassis I have a feeling the engine compartment would have had more room and been easier to work on.
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Moose-LandTran
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Overall VW-Audi cars are good to work on. Comes with experience, you do enough of them and you'll know all the little tricks and methods of doing things to make it easier. i've lost count how many i've worked on. doing all kinds of stuff to them. They're my favourite to work on because they're well engineered for maintenance.
I've just got a job at Golf Doktor over here, so i'll be spending a lot of time working on VWs.
I've just got a job at Golf Doktor over here, so i'll be spending a lot of time working on VWs.
billymade
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So, you got a job now! Awesome, good to hear!! Now we need pics of your new shop at your new job!! Good we can talk vws!
JayL
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Room for upgrades later
http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.co...1-FDD2-48A2-8A17-6C22D81839BD}/qx/product.htm
http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.co...1-FDD2-48A2-8A17-6C22D81839BD}/qx/product.htm
JayL
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eschoendorff
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Now for the price, that doesn't seem to be too bad....
RAYJAY
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http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/MAY-28640.html
These pliers are on my short list, but as you can see, they cost about a million dollars.
the sears one is the same thing and only 39.00........
RAYJAY
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Pretty sure the Blue Point's are rebadged Astro Pneumatic 9409's...
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/ap9409.html
Sigh... Okay, repeat after me: They. All. Ratchet.
Damn! Why is that so hard?
There's a series of small teeth cut into the handles near the pivot, and that thumb lever engages them under spring pressure. Squeeze the handles and they 'ticktickticktick' closed. Hold the thumb lever down, and give them a squeeze, and they pop back open.
I've had the Astros for about a year and a half now. Love 'em. Especially for $29. Since the tool trucks won't warranty the cable (which always snaps before anything else dies), I bought 'em cheap online, and when they finally fail years from now, I'll just go get some more.
or just go and buy a cheap bicycle hand brake cable thts all the cable is
Jeff
JayL
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I just purchased a Craftsman Hose Clamp Plier and am also thinking of getting this.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...t_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Is there something that this CL plier can do that the Craftsman can't do.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...t_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Is there something that this CL plier can do that the Craftsman can't do.
MAD
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The Channellock pliers in the link are notched for the old style wire clamps rather than the newer flat band style.
JayL
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Coach James
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I bought the Craftsmans last month and they worked fine. Some of the clamps on my van I couldn't reach without them.
And could you believe that damn Advance Auto didn't have ANY tension clamps? All they had were worm drive clamps.
Coach
And could you believe that damn Advance Auto didn't have ANY tension clamps? All they had were worm drive clamps.
Coach
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gotmud13613
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My local Advance has them but they are in the HELP ( Motormite ) section of the store, they are not in with the regular clamps.