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The Kitchen and dining room block access to the back of the house .The entry from the garage goes into the kitchen and the dinning room goes past the livingroom all the way to the hall sooooooooo. This means that you cant get to the bedrooms or bathroom . With 4 women in the house ( SWMBO , MIL , 16YO daughter , 20YO daughter aaaaaaaaaaand 2 YO grandson ) not being able to go from the garage or living room to the bedrooms or bathroom was going to be a problem :D .

Rick

Now I know why you say you live/speend all your time in the garage, I thought it was because you just like your tools! :beer:
 
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Oh I like my tools but I dislike dealing with 4 " crazy women " even more . I have a 32" LCD on the wall , my laptop and a fridge out here . All I ned is a urinal and a micriwave and I wouldnt need to go in the house at all :D. I have slept on my workbench before and I could do it again :D.


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Um Dave that picture is not of a wood lathe :D. I would say its a very early turn ( of the last century ) lathe but not a wood lathe :D.


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Okay okay ya got me!

Turns out I snagged the one picture that misrepresents it as a metal lathe (yep, I notice all the metal-ish lathe features of the above lathe).

See here for a more accurate picture:

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However, it doesn't really matter because I showed that picture to the owner and they said nope, doesn't look like that:D Haha, so I'm back at square one. Don't know what to expect. Said they also have a planer and something resembling a drill press. However, one of the hallmarks of these types of ads is...well...

http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100440&p=682889&hilit=standing+describe+keith#p682889

...bottom sentence of Keith's post:D

(Must keep OWWM rule #1 in mind at all times :D)

Actually, it makes me laugh every time I read it...hee hee...
 

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Okay okay ya got me!

Turns out I snagged the one picture that misrepresents it as a metal lathe (yep, I notice all the metal-ish lathe features of the above lathe).

See here for a more accurate picture:

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However, it doesn't really matter because I showed that picture to the owner and they said nope, doesn't look like that:D Haha, so I'm back at square one. Don't know what to expect. Said they also have a planer and something resembling a drill press. However, one of the hallmarks of these types of ads is...well...

http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100440&p=682889&hilit=standing+describe+keith#p682889

...bottom sentence of Keith's post:D

(Must keep OWWM rule #1 in mind at all times :D)

Actually, it makes me laugh every time I read it...hee hee...

so............

Turns out I was right!

Then wrong!

But overall, pretty right!

Lathe in question:

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Took a look at it, along with a 7-8" Homecraft saw/4" jointer combo unit, a home-made oscillating spindle sander, a simple Palmgren drill press vise, and a few hand drills. Seller wants $50 for the lathe. It's actually a pretty good deal, seeing as how most of the lathe is all there, the surface rust is very, very minimal, and it looks to have a more modern 3/4 HP baldor motor (I think single phase). It retains the belt drive and pulleys, but that I think adds to its charm. Overall, a pretty elegant machine. What do ya think?:D EDIT: It also comes with the stand alone tool rest on post - look behind the machine in the first picture and you'll see it back there.

I really can't think of a major use for a lathe right now...except...to chuck in some of the round parts of the Atlas table saw I'm restoring right now so that I can turn the parts and polish them. Can I do that on a wood lathe?:)
 
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Dave I would say for a wood lathe $50.00 is a pretty decent price . I would also bet that that machine with a little tweaking and some adaptation could be used for metal as well . I would say for sanding and polishing round parts off of your other tools it would do a fine job. I would also look around to see if there are any other bits and pieces for it laying around such as faceplates and 3 or 4 jaw chucks .

Rick
 

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That looks sweet! Wouldn't take much to clean it up and get it running. It would be fun to restore. Offer them $40 and see if they bite.
 

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Rick,

here, gonna try and help ya;)

http://louisville.craigslist.org/tls/2634578543.html

If this is still available, man you should snag this:
http://louisville.craigslist.org/tls/2628560216.html

Extensions for that saw are plentiful and cheap.

If neither of those work, just keep an eye out. I'm betting that you'll be able to sell your table saw and get into some vintage iron by an even trade, or even make money on the deal.

What you could always do is join up on OWWM and post a 'WTB' for a table saw near your location. I'm sure you'd get some guys wanting to sell you something:D
 
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Dave the only issue I see with both of those saws is the same issue I have with mine . One of the things I like most about both yours and Pauls saws are the fence systems . They both look like they would set reasonably straight without to much hassle . The Fence on my Craftsman is a bear to get set straight . Both of your saws with the pipe being the main attatchment point for the fence look like they would set nice and straight without any major headaches . I have to keep a framing square handy when seting up my saw which is an extra pain involved every time I set it up .

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Dave the only issue I see with both of those saws is the same issue I have with mine . One of the things I like most about both yours and Pauls saws are the fence systems . They both look like they would set reasonably straight without to much hassle . The Fence on my Craftsman is a bear to get set straight . Both of your saws with the pipe being the main attatchment point for the fence look like they would set nice and straight without any major headaches . I have to keep a framing square handy when seting up my saw which is an extra pain involved every time I set it up .

Rick

Rick,

Actually (and I can't speak for Paul, but maybe he'll chime in), there are better fence systems out there than the old fence setup like on my Unisaw and the 1160. Matter of face, it does have a bit of lateral play in it, and if I want an exacting cut, I do have to break out the tape measure or precision rule and get adjust the front and back. Not saying it is horrible, but fence technology (Biesemeyer, Vega, Incra, etc) is one of the things that did really improve over time.

However, there are a few things to think about when we are talking about getting a good cut on wood. First of all, the blade - that which is in most direct contact with the wood will probably have the greatest impact upon cut quality. A good quality Freud or Forrest blade, meant for ripping, will do the trick. Then, the next thing is to measure runout, both on the actual arbor and on the flange. This will affect how true the blade spins. If you get a good blade spinning true, you will probably get a great cut. The next thing to look at is the parallelism of the blade to the miter slot. All these measurements can be done with a dial indicator, and usually measure in the thousandths.

I have heard that it is actually a good thing that the tail end of the fence stick away just a hair further in relation to the blade than the front of it (we're again talking a few thousandths of an inch). What this does is prevent kickback where the back of the saw blade's teeth want to pinch and grab the wood on the tail end.

So in reality, as long as you can reasonably adjust the fence, that is a non issue (excluding fences that won't hold their adjustment and annoying set up time). Some bigger issues are vibration (happens a lot with newer tools made out of plastic and sheet metal), flimsiness (ditto), and generally poorer construction (ditto).

If you start with a good platform, you can work up from there. The fence that I had on my old Craftsman 10" tablesaw from the early 60s (which I think is either the same or very similar to that Craftsman one on CL) was no worse that the Delta one. Matter of fact, I liked it a little better, other than the shrieking sound the aluminum made sliding across the cast iron table:lol:

Worst case scenario, you upgrade to a more modern fence, and now you've got the best of both worlds - a new, precise fence and an old, heavy duty solid saw. Just about any time you are looking at these old tools, the accessories (motor, fence, extensions, parts, miter gauge, etc) will end up costing more than the saw. That's just the way it works, especially with more collectable tools. Good news is on the older Craftsmans, they are so plentiful that parts are easy to find and cheap.

Might just be worth taking a look at if you haven't already. If it is still available, buy it for the $20, sell yours for $50, and put the other $50 you made on the trade in either your 'fence upgrade' or 'high quality saw blade' bank:)
 

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Rick,

Checking the picture of that saw again...yes it does have the same fence that my old saw had, and the on I liked a lot. You can buy it, trash that blade (or use it as shop art) get a good modern blade, 2 Cman extensions for it, and you'd have yourself a real nice T-saw.
 
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Ok Dave I will check on the Craftsman . I would almost bet it is still there as getting to that part of the world has become a major pain in the **** . We had 2 bridges across the river from here and one of them was recently closed due to stress cracks and wouldnt you know it . That bridge is the fast way to where that saw is especially from where I live :D. I can probably almost see the neighborhood that saw is in from my house but getting there with the bridge closed is another matter :D. Might be faster to take my boat and meet the owner at the ramp on his side :D.


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Ok Dave I will check on the Craftsman . I would almost bet it is still there as getting to that part of the world has become a major pain in the **** . We had 2 bridges across the river from here and one of them was recently closed due to stress cracks and wouldnt you know it . That bridge is the fast way to where that saw is especially from where I live :D. I can probably almost see the neighborhood that saw is in from my house but getting there with the bridge closed is another matter :D. Might be faster to take my boat and meet the owner at the ramp on his side :D.


Rick

Rick,

If anything, you spend about $15 on arbor bearings, get new belts for it, 2 table extensions at $20 a pop, and in the end you have a nice, smooth and classy table saw that is worlds apart from your current saw, for the price that you sell your current one for.

Depending on the motor size, you can either step up to a bigger motor (2-3HP) to cut bigger stuff as you upgrade or move up to a bigger, badder table saw. But I will say that many an old Craftsman bench saw were responsible for building houses and 'gittn r done' back in the day:)

There are actually some of these old Craftsman table saws that have less runout than even some of the most sought after cabinet saws. That is a good model too, because (I believe) it is the full 10"er and the body is made of cast iron vs sheet metal. I'm betting it is a very quiet, smooth saw when well maintained.
 

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Nice setup!
If you ever need help moving something heavy send me a PM, I'm in Valley Station. It would be cool to hang out with someone who "gets it" in real life. Besides which, I can put a face to the competition when I miss out on a craigslist deal.

Also, if you were serious about this:
I still have 3 base cabinets up on the loft that I probaly will end up giving away as I have other plans for that area .
and don't have someone in mind, I bet I could make space for them under my bench. :drool:

Cheers :beer:
-Tyler
 
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Hey Tyler I appreciate the offer and oddly enough am right up the road in PRP. The offer goes both ways as far as helping hands goes . I am getting close to tackling the loft and will let you know on the cabinets :D.


Rick
 
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Ok I have recently realised my garage has no name . We have The Pedestrian garage , The 1950's Craftsman garage , The Asylum or course . There is the well know and published " 12 Guage garage " , The Saltlife hideout .

I need some help from my fellow garage journal brothers anybody have a good idea for a name :D.

Rick
 
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That ones pretty good Bob . The first on the list :D. I think I will wait for a few options and maybe do a poll . Technically this whole thread started long before the fire although the fire certainly didnt help matters any :D.

Rick
 
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Ok so we have The Pheonix and The Bluegrass Grotto :D. Keep em comming guys . Although I do like The Pheonix I will have to admit I think that name is much more fitting to fflintstones garage than mine . I had mostly smoke damage in mine he had mostly charcoal left over .

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Maybe something with 'blue' and 'Ford' in it...the "Ol' Blue Garage" or the "Ford Blue Garage".

Then again, the "Once my Garage Caught Fire Build" has a certain charm to it:D
 

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Code 69 Garage

(Code 69 is dispatcher speak for "Structure Fire")

Of course, you might have to explain that to every Tom, ****, and Harriet, and it could lead to some embarrassment. Heh-heh
 

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Nice blue Geneva cabinets, smoke clearing, 4 women in the house - the first thing that comes to mind is this:

The Geneva Convention - Peace in the Garage

Of course, there's still the machinist aspect to work in somehow too :headscrat
 

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with 4 women in the house... "Houson Escape", "Blue Oval Hideout"...

Although, Girl's idea has merit.

This will take some thought...
 
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Rick...think classic...smoky rooms (not related to housefires)

"Rick's Garage Américain"

I'm a Casablanca fan...best I can do.
 

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Not to get too 'off topic' with the renaming of the garage, but I thought I would post here what Rick had written in another thread on here that pertains to his garage/house and its history. It really gave me a better perspective of this build and ultimately, Rick's incredible DIY tenacity. I hope it gives others a good perspective of how incredible this thread really is. Rick, I hope you don't mind. I have a lot of respect for you, as well as a lot of other guys on here, but this just made that respect shoot up 1000 times more. I don't think I could have done what you did. Hats off to you, my man:thumbup:

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We had a house fire in Feb of 2009 . The fire was in the basement and pretty well destroyed everything down there ( 3 bedrooms , 2 storage rooms , a brand new front loader washer and dryer set ) . This was just the basement . The fire also required me to have to gut the main bathroom , kitchen and dining room all the way to the floor joists . I with the help of 2 freinds ( when they could get time ) gutted the basement and filled 2 40 yard dumpsters . This wasnt easy I set up an electric winch on a wall at the top of the stairs in the garage and would roll a 90 gallon toter ( what you call a dumpster ) down the stairs and fill it . Then I hooked the winch to it and hauled it out of the basement . Then I took it to the 40 yard dumpster and emptied it . Then I did it all over again trip after trip after trip until the basement was empty and I mean empty furnace,water heater , ductwork all of it went until I had a floor and 4 bare walls left . Then I took a pressure washer down there and pressure washed the entire basement .


Then SWMBO and I with our 16YO at the time son went into the bathroom upstairs and gutted it completely to the studs to include the floor and ceiling . The following weekend my 2 buddies showed up and we gutted the kitchen completely . Then we rippped out the floors in the kitchen and dining room . Then we started taking out the floor joists one at a time and replaced them as we took them out .


I then repiped the entire house all supply and waste lines replaced all the way to the vent stacks going through the roof all new . Then summer hit and I got busy with actual work . I ended up paying a buddy of mine to put down the new subfloors in the kitchen and dining room as I just plain didnt have time .

Swmbo and I started comming over every night and rebuilt the bathroom and rewired most of the house to include a new main electrical panel . Once we had the bathroom done and had cleaned and painted every room we didnt gut . We sanded and refinished all of the hardwood floors that were not being replaced . This braught us to just before Thanksgiving 2010.


We moved back into the house at this point as we had been renting a house from a freind of mine in a not so great neighborhood . My son and I layed all new hardwood in the kitchen and dining room ( after we were back in the house ) .

Mind you we still didnt have central heat or air at this time ( Ok I had the equipment in a storage container in the driveway but it wasnt installed yet ) . We heated the house with my big Dayton 220 volt electric garage heater and a couple of smaller space heaters last winter .

We have insulated every wall we removed drywall from due to the fire to include the attic above the bathroom, kitchen and dining room which we also pulled the ceilings down in .

We have managed at this point to get the ceilings back up in the kitchen and dining room and redrywall almost all of the walls in those 2 rooms ( one wall left in the kitchen to be finished .

We rented 2 hotel rooms a couple weekends ago and moved the whole family for the weekend and SWMBO and I finally got the dining room and kitchen floors done Poly and all.

This brings us to present where I have put the HVAC system back into the house ( all new ) and have almost finished up building all new ductwork . We still dont have a real kitchen yet . Theres a laundry sink hooked up in the kitchen and an oven and microwave and new refrigerator but no cabinets yet .

Meanwhile the money from insurance has been gone ( lesson learned made sure I have 100% replacement coverage now ) . This has also been one of the worst years I can remember in 20 years of doing HVAC ( the economy was in the toilet and somebody flushed ) .

I will have the HVAC finished up by the end of the weekend and we will get the kitchen finished over the winter . We have managed to do almost all of this with just SWMBO and I doing 95% of the work .
 

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Wow. I knew you had a fire but I didn't know the extent of the damage. I also didn't know that you were still living with the aftermath of it. I thought you just wanted new kitchen floors:p. Kudos to you Rick:thumbup:.
 
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Dave thanks for the back pat but honestly I would bet that you and many other members here could rebuild a house if you had to .

The honest main reason I posted that was to show Bill of " Grunge Garage " fame that 2 people if motivated could do just about anything if they put their minds to it and worked at it . I have been fortunate in my " working career " to learn alot of differant things in relation to home building and SWMBO is no slouch herself having owned a roofing company at one point in her life . She was the one who did every inch of the new porcelain tile in the rebuilt bathroom as well as helping me hang many sheets of drywall and applying almost every ounce of Poly that has been put on the refinished wood floors ( she doesnt like the way I do it ) :D . She does like having 4 showerheads in the new shower though :D.

Rick
 
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