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SALIV8

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How many footcandles or lux(es) is your shop/garage when fully lit?

Are you happy with those levels for different projects?

I'm thinking I'll add several switches/options for different light fixture configurations, based on my need at that time.
 
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I'm about to start a complete garage renovation with led tube lights, so I'm interested to hear responses here as well.
 

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I don't get carried away with the specifics of the lighting. I put up T8 lights where I thought I needed them and where I thought they would work.

I haven't had to add any more fixtures to get more light, so apparently, what I thought would work without any regard to getting overly specific on the lighting. I'm also using 4100K cheap fluorescents lamps too.
 

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My shop is pretty small, just 24x36 and I have eight - 200 watt incandescent bulbs evenly spaced on the ceiling and three 48" double fluorescent banks hanging on the wall about 7' high. The wall mount fluorescent lights are great for seeing under the hood of cars or other such tasks. Here's a pic:

 
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My 30 x 40 has 4(not so)CFL's @ 180 W ea.
44,400 lumens. I recommens a #3 shade for those entering at night.:D
About 3200 watts equivalent.
 
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30x60, 14' ceilings, and 32-4 foot t8 tubes on the ceiling. Switched half and half, not high/low.

Thats about 1000 watts and plenty for general light. No sense wasting power to light the whole thing to intense task lighting levels.
 

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22x36 shop. 6 banks of 8 T8 32w bulbs. 1536w total (plus another 4 T8's above the lift). Total lumen output using 4.1K spectrum is about 453K lumens by a chart. Consider losses due to fixtures, bulbs aging, etc and the real lumen output is probably closer to 60k. It's still plenty bright for these old eyes.
 
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The best advice I can give on lighting, is to not be rigid in your layout or especially your thinking.

There are lots of rules of thumb, and you can read up on general illumination and task lighting and color rendition.

But the final word is how well it works for exactly what you are doing.

Try different light sources. Try different levels and color temperatures. Try different locations.

Move things around. Add and subtract. Try different things.

And as your usage of the space changes, don't forget to move and change your lighting.
 

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You almost can't have too much light - at least when you get older.....

That said, I find that to a degree the location of the light source is more important than the brightness or color of the bulbs.

For example, you can have super bright LEDs or whatever, but when you open the hood you've just created one hell of a shadow - remember that when you think about placement. Also, you want the lights right over the benches, not in the middle of the room, you don't want the light coming over your shoulders so you're always working in your own shadow.

Trying to get real even light distribution all over the shop isn't really necessary, put the lights where they'll best illuminate where you're working and don't worry about the rest of the shop.

This example is a generally well lit shop, but it would not work for me - while the wall mounted lights might help with underhood tasks, they're still not effective.....at least for me.

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This is my shop, all the major lights are over the benches, except for one right in the middle.

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I also mounted three fixture along the garage door rails, so that even with the doors up I get substantial light on the sides of the cars - you don't need them shining on the roof!

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Here's what that corner looks like, with only one 4 ft fixture.....

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Notice that even with the light on and the garage door open it's a little dark where the press is so it has it's own little task light attached to the press that I only use when I'm using the press. All of my fluorescent fixtures are hung on chains, so I can move them around to get better coverage or if I change the layout.
 
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In my 40x40 garage with 12 foot walls I have 15, 8 foot long t5 fixtures. Each light holds 4 t5 HO bulbs that are 2900 lumens each and 5000K in color. All my walls and celling is white so it is pretty much like a tanning salon in there. I have work lights/drop lights near my lift for working under the car. I thought about installing some bright led lights on the lift arms to illuminate underneath the car but haven't gotten around to it.
 

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In my fabrication shop I have mostly ancient T-12 fixtures with their own cords. Individual multi-tube fixtures are hung from roof cross-ties, and groups of fixtures are plugged into separate power strips so I can light only the area of the shop in which I'm working, to conserve power. These areas are related to groups of machines and workbenches.

Some machines have their own gooseneck worklight attached (bandsaws, scroll saw, drill presses, vertical mill, ...). Elsewhere individual gooseneck, clip-on, or articulated worklights are used (welding table, grinder, ... Plus there is a retractable work light hanging near the middle of the shop that I can pull over to any work area.

Additionally I have a powerful quartz-halogen floodlight mounted on a tripod. And another that can be clamped on.
 
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How would one measure this? I am curious because mine is very bright.....I like working with a lot of light.

--Joe

There are hand held meters to measure the light. Lumen output is nice but doesnt always give real world measurement like the meters do. (reflectances, colors, building materials, light fixture design, etc all play a part that lumens wont show)
 
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My shop is pretty small, just 24x36 and I have eight - 200 watt incandescent bulbs evenly spaced on the ceiling and three 48" double fluorescent banks hanging on the wall about 7' high. The wall mount fluorescent lights are great for seeing under the hood of cars or other such tasks. Here's a pic:


thanks for the help. just a friendly suggestion, you may want to swap out those incandescents to a lower wattage 105w cfl. I beleive this cfl is rated to equal 250w incandescent. It'll save you some moola.
 

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Thanks for the suggestion, but I had bad luck with them in the winter. Some days it'll get down to -20F inside my shop and the incandescent lights still work for me. Besides, 1600 watts of light costs me approximately $0.18 per hour to run which is fine by me.

With that said, when I start heating the shop and/or finally get the heck out of WY I'll ditch the incandescent in favor of something cheaper to run ;)

Thanks :)
 

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thanks dd. 43.5 is what i saw on the floor. Are you happy with that general level or would you want to change that?

On the floor, yes sir. It's usable, but at times I bring a portable light to the area I'm working. I've thought about more light, but it hasn't bothered me enough to purchase more lights.
 
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Thanks for the suggestion, but I had bad luck with them in the winter. Some days it'll get down to -20F inside my shop and the incandescent lights still work for me. Besides, 1600 watts of light costs me approximately $0.18 per hour to run which is fine by me.

With that said, when I start heating the shop and/or finally get the heck out of WY I'll ditch the incandescent in favor of something cheaper to run ;)

Thanks :)

makes sense, didnt think about the cold weather and the cfl's. :beer:
 

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I have 17 4 tube T8 fixtures in 1400 sq ft. It calculated out to about 107 cf for the auto shop and ~ 75 cf for the machine shop. I really cant tell the difference between the machine shop and the auto shop. But the light is excellent everywhere.
 

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Everyone else's shop lights dim when I flip my switch :lol:

Not really but mine is 74.53 lumens per square foot which works well for me with my white tin walls and ceiling. This is 72 T8 32W 5000k bulbs in 2560 sq' at 14' high with white tin walls and ceiling. The white makes a big difference.
 
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I have 17 4 tube T8 fixtures in 1400 sq ft. It calculated out to about 107 cf for the auto shop and ~ 75 cf for the machine shop. I really cant tell the difference between the machine shop and the auto shop. But the light is excellent everywhere.

cf being your footcandles measurement right?

Thank you!!

I was thinking 40 footcandles (feet) or 400ish lux (feet) not meters would be decent for a shop. That was my plan. Pretty much spot on with deeddude.

May have to rethink this for a bit more.
 
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The android app
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has a very good lux meter included.
then you use a standard lux to lumen formula.

Lumen rating isn't entirely useless but wall and floor color ajd genetics play an important part.

To make all things even in this measurement let's set the phone on the floor for a reading.

this would be wicked!!
 

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General lighting was designed for was 70 - 80 fc. with an addition a 450 lumen spots above the work bench

Here is a shot from moving in the tools

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Seems to be plenty enough light for me - but then again I'm not crawling under the hood of a car or truck

... and here is the inspection area / work bench illuminated with the halogen spots

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Not for everybody perhaps but I like it just fine for my needs
 

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My garage is 24 X 36 with 8 foot ceilings. I have twelve 100 watt CFL lights on the ceiling set up with four banks of three lights per bank. I turn on the lights in the area where I am working and I get plenty of light for MOST projects. If I need some extra light in a certain place, then I use a floor stand with a flood light to give me the extra light I need. But that is something I very rarely need because the CFL's provide plenty of light for nearly all of the things I do. The CFL's work well for me, but they may not work for others, I guess it all depends on what you do in your garage.
 

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jd dale- I have rope lighting in my 12 x 30 shop. They are one strand around the perimeter and down the middle ceiling. It's good for finding my way around but not quite enough to work by for me. But it does look pretty cool.
 

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You can make your shop brighter by sealing the floor and painting it with a light grey epoxy paint!

We had a shop built with painted floors and when we had trucks on the lift we didn't need a drop light because the light reflected off the floor'.
 
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