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Here's the situation I'm in . I am currently working a full time job in the machinist union. I am going to electrical school in the afternoons. This leaves me without time to go to school for welding . I'd like to learn at home somehow . Is this possible? What welder should I get? Any advice ?
 
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Buy a welder. Round up some scrap metal and watch a few videos. It's more about practice than anything else, at least in the beginning. You can worry about more advanced techniques once you have the basics down.

If you're serious about it I'd go to the box store and buy a name brand MIG machine which should set you back about $600 and go to it.
 

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Well, I can see that you obviously can read and write. Get a good book, then it's just practice mostly.
What's your ultimate goal? To weld your own projects, or to go into the trade? As far as your equipment, buy red or blue. The amperage is up to you, that is you can start with a smaller (cheaper) welder or something that will allow you to work with more structural type materials. :rocker:
 

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I'd find a red or blue mig welder (with gas bottle, not a flux core)....so you can resell it later if you want to go further.

You need a helmet, gloves, an angle grinder can give you basic cutting and finishing in 1 tool. Ultimately you're going to want to reduce steel stock to custom sizes, I got a broken 7x12 bandsaw with my first mig welder.

Good place to learn by yourself and figure some things out.
 

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Go to a local welding shop and ask them if they have some simple parts to weld. Tell them you'll do it for free a few hours per week if they train you. Where I live in northern Indiana there are multiple welding shops that would take me up on that offer.
 

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All good advice, +1 on sticking with Lincoln/Miller/Hobart/ESAb .YouTube is a good training aid. I taught myself MIG, but I had the advantage of my wife being a certified welder. Still working on TIG.
 

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Most of these comments are towards MIG welding. Nothing wrong with that as 85% of the "stuff" you will weld at home can be and need to be handled with a MIG.
Biggest thing is (old school is books, modern is YOUTUBE) to practice by Welding pads! 4" by 4" blocks with straight, correct width and height strings/beads of weld placed on them. I started out as an old school Stick welder, then Gas welding, progressing on to MIG, then TIG. You NEED to PRACTICE for days, weeks, years to become proficient! An hour or two may allow you to weld a broken Tab on a Lawn Mower Deck but it takes more time to learn to weld "stuff" together so that it does not fall apart but also looks GOOD. You will need to learn heat control, distortion along with basic out of Flat position welding to honestly know what you are doing.
Oh Yea and follow the advice about Red or Blue machines as they will have a better resale value if you decide this isn't for you. Get one bigger than you think you need the day you are shopping. Buying small is a big mistake!
 

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That is how I learned to weld...UTUBE.. then get some metal. I purchased a 10" x 10" x 3/16 or 1/8 can not remember for about $7 and Started laying out BEEDs.

Then welded 280 linear feet of Square Tube Fence around my pool....
 

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I'll echo what has been said already. Youtube is a great resource and there are plenty of books available. But the biggest thing is practice! I never knew how to weld until a few months ago until I started with a old stick machine. But I've already noticed that my welds have improved quite a bit (although that wouldn't take much considering where I started at :lol_hitti ) One thing that I picked up from youtube, was to practice your welds on something that was unimportant yet that you could subject to stress/try to break it after. A sort of stress test to see how well your welds are penetrating.
 

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I had a class in high school where we learned stick and oxy/acetylene, but that's been 40 years ago. Now i have a MIG with gas and have learned a lot here.

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/

There are also several good channels on YouTube. I like this one.


Practice, practice, practice.
 

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My Union Hall gave classes in basic welding, so I learned enough to be dangerous with a Stick Welder.

After I was forced retire from my last employer I bought a really capable stick welder. I am not ready to hire as a Weldor, but I have built a few things and enjoyed doing it.
 

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I was cheap and wanted to build a front bumper for my Land Cruiser instead of buying one. I purchased $1100 of welding gear and then bought a bumper off Craigslist. I did end up welding up my rear bumper and rock sliders and absolutely love gluing steel together for projects.

The way I learned was as others have stated. Buy a welder and gather up some scrap steel and just start. I still have my first pieces of steel when I started out and it is covered with ugly angry beads. I kept practicing and when I mastered the concept but not the art, I started watching youtube videos. Starting with youtube first might be a mistake. Practice and understand and then watch videos to hone your craft. I started with flux core to learn the basics. After a few months, I purchased gas. I never made anything with flux core and only ran beads.

I am now proficient and proud of my welds but still amazed at the artistic quality of some professional MIG welder's work.

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You say you want to learn to weld. What exactly do you mean by that? You want to learn how to stick steel together for home projects, or you want to learn how to weld, so that you can weld for a specific purpose at work?

Most of the answers you have been given so far are from the perspective of thinking you mean "I want to learn how to stick steel together".

If you just want to stick steel together for home projects, buy a wire feed welder, either flux core or preferably gas capable, and get a few pieces of scrap steel and start. Watch video's or read a book if that's your thing. Let the appearance of the welds be your guide, you should be able in a few hours of practice to make good looking welds. If you want to progress beyond there, make practice welds on prepared pieces of steel, and break them to see how they perform, and why they break, so you can learn about penetration and what makes a good weld, not just a good looking one. That's where a good welding book will help you.

If you want to learn how to structurally weld and make safe, strong, certifiable welds, I'd recommend buying a good multi-process machine, and begin stick welding. Buy a good text book on arc welding and learn the basics from that before you start. Cut clean pieces of steel into "coupons" (small rectangular shapes) and weld them together with correct edge beveling, gap, etc and then break them when you're done to see how your welds perform and where/what your defects are. After you master flat welding, practice horizontal, vertical, and overhead welds. As you become proficient with the stick, then progress to using TIG.

After you learn stick and TIG, you can just pick up a wire feed and make good welds, only have to learn how to set the controls.
 

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You can probably get by 95% of the any imaginable project with a 225A AC/DC buzzbox and a little 120V wire welder with gas setup.

We need to know what your goals are first. Learn stick first, as it is the most challenging BUT will make you a better weldor in the other processes. That's usually what the trade schools follow because it works.

Most hobby weldors will put down stick and flux core because all they know is MIG, but in the real world with certifications, productivity, erection, inspection, etc., stick and flux core play a larger role than what DIYs think. There's a process for each application and sometimes it's handy to have knowledge/experience in more than one process.

Sometimes the Welding Procedure Specification has a welding process, amperage, wire speed, position, etc. already spelled out. You got to use that; not buts.

Anyways, for hobby welding, those 2 machines should get you started and practicing in no time with least amount of investment.
 
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My ultimate goal is to be proficient enough to weld whatever breaks at my house . I'd like to be able to weld my backhoe bucket . Also want to be able to weld shift linkage together on my quad .
 

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As you are currently enrolled in an electrical program get the books and learn the basics of AC/DC, volts, amps, etc as it applies to welding. That will be good for you before you strike an arc. I learned to weld through my UA apprenticeship 50 yrs ago and it was hopelessly deficient in the theory dept. At one time I could pass any test anywhere and did working the boom towns of the west, power houses, refineries, pipelines, etc. Those days are long gone. As previously noted, it takes time and focus to do this well. Stick, mig, tig are all fine and dandy, but to get somewhere without totally driving yourself nuts, get a good mig machine and gas tank and focus on that. It is easiest to see what is going on with your whip angle, feed rate, tie-ins, heat etc with a clean puddle, which the mig gives you. Everyone wants to do tig and with good reason, but get the basics down and then move beyond mig if you want to. Today I run a Miller 211 on 220V. It is multi voltage, but I only run it on 220 as 110 just aggravates me. I like my machines Blue. If you are going to do this having a good reputable machine is important to you confidence. You will, when beginning, have plenty "lack of confidence" moments especially as you will be self taught. Don't let your machine be one of them. Happy Trails!
 

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Welding on a back hoe bucket is going to need some serious amps to do it. I started welding better once I got an auto darkening helmet. I always look for good penetration. When it looks like your about ready to burn a hole through the metal and you stop an take a look an it’s filled in that’s good penetration. When you can weld sheet metal without burning through it, your getting better. Sheet metal is hard to weld at least with a mig.
Look for a welder at a pawn shop, one thats not beat up & looks newish for your first welder and ALWAYS bargain with them. Don’t pay what the pawn shop has listed as a price. Take the price they have on the welder & cut in half & bargain from there.
 
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Backhoe bucket, will take a lot of prep and careful technique to weld with a MIG. Stick will do it easily. For what you describe othewise, a wire feed will do it and be the easiest to learn and use.

I'd just pay to have the backhoe fixed, and get a better homeowner grade MIG for your other projects.
 

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Get a 6x6in piece of 1/2in plate, turn it into a 6x6in piece of 1.5in plate. Run the layers of beads at 90deg to each other.
At some point during that process you will stop making a complete mess & start welding.
 

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I've watched a lot of welding vids on youtube and found this one the most help for what I am doing:

Lots more pro vids at Lincoln's youtube page:

Pro vids are way more educational than the DIY'ers full of "and ums" and other stuff that'll put you to sleep.
jmo,
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Here's the situation I'm in . I am currently working a full time job in the machinist union. I am going to electrical school in the afternoons. This leaves me without time to go to school for welding . I'd like to learn at home somehow . Is this possible? What welder should I get? Any advice ?

I've uploaded a copy of the textbook we use in college for welding. It should help you with training yourself. We have used it for every welding course for every welding process.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ke7e55vni8q3r7i/MGH.Welding.Principles.and.Practices.5th.Edition.B01MUH5DCV.pdf?dl=0

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Look on Offer Up as well as similar sites, I bought a Lincoln 180 new in the box for less than the best price I saw online for 140 model. 220 volt machine will always be better than a 110 machine, and holds resale value better.
 

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Posts #2 and #17 give good insight for how to start. I learned a few years back with a Red 140, gas capable but on flux wire. Auto darkening helmet. I'm no expert but I can make welds good enough for a trailer, gate, etc. One thing I've noticed with newbies on flux wire feed 125V machines, is they will let the electrode push them rather than hold the gun in place and make a puddle. And then when they do get a puddle, they go too fast.

One thing not mentioned yet is get stuff clean, grind of paint, mill scale and rust.

if electrical school or your machinist job gets you access to scrap, use it for practice. When I do electrical work, i keep the knock outs on Raco boxes and service panels for scrap welding projects. I have plenty to practice with and Im not a sparky.
 

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It’s a lot better if you can find someone to show you the first bits.
They can tell you what you may be doing wrong immediately rather than you struggling.

I took night college courses but you could
Offer a guy at a welding / fabrication place 100 bucks or a six pack if he can help you get set up and weld basically for a couple of hours. But get someone to show you or you may not even know your doing/learning something wrong. Cold welds can look pretty and be worthless.

Then go do the YouTube, internet, or even “Gasp..” books.

I’m not a welder. I enjoy tinkering with it and have gotten decent with mig, arc, oxyacetylene. Just bought a cheap tig to begin messing with that. But that first guy showing me a foundation sure helped the learning curve.
Though I still ****, I can figure out why. Usually.


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My dad was a great welder back in the day. I always wanted him to teach me how to weld. He wasn't the best teacher so I never got the opportunity to learn from him. After He passed away I wanted to learn. I looked at taking classes but everything was expensive and didnt accommodate my work schedule. I just learned by watching a bunch of you tube videos and just messing around with some scrap metal. My welds are still not the best, but its they do good enough to fix stuff around the house. Im looking forward to the winter months to get back into. Right now its too hot to weld in the shop.
 

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Buy a welder and practice. I am a mechanic and when I was in high school automotive that was part of the class was learning how to weld so I already had some experience. It is very easy to learn and you only get better at it.


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I see you are in PGH, if you want to drive up to Youngstown I would be happy to give you some pointers and show you the basics of MIG and TIG (I've taught myself both). I can also load you up with as much 1/8in scrap as you want from my plasma table to practice with. I'm not a pro and am all self taught, but I know the basics and can at least give you some hands on practice.
 

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I was going to ask, gas, MIG, stick or TIG? Sounds like you need MIG and stick. I’d say YouTube it. I want to learn to TIG, but just no reason to other than curiosity. I already have a MIG welder. A small Miller 110V unit. Does all I need it to do.
 

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Do you have a Makers Works or similar type of facility in your area? The Makers Works by me has monthly memberships to use there woodworking, metal working, cnc, sewing, 3D printing tools, etc. They also offer entry level welding lessons. My local Makers Works offers two 3 hour courses. First level is more or less safety and the second course is more hands on with MIG and even TIG. I'm not a member/monthly subscriber however their classes are open to anyone willing to pay.

I thought about classes at the local community college but that involved more time than I wanted to invest. I'm not making a career out of welding and six hours at Makers Works was perfect for me.

Now its practice at home along with soaking up YouTube videos and reading. Someday my welds will be "movie quality".
 

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Lots of scrap metal !

Get a notebook and write down what worked and what did not and why it did not !

MIG is the quick way to learn. Buy a machine that can do two voltages and can be adapted to gas.

Stick is a much longer learning curve, but if you get good at it ever other method is easy.
 

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Go to harbor freight take your pick of welders and any support items,hoods gloves,ect and start your learning process,good luck.
 

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YouTube is a good start but also I've found the book called Performance Welding by Richard Finch to be a good source. I used this many years ago before YouTube or internet and it provided a lot of good information.

I am 100% self taught but it's taken years and I've been certified in SMAW, GMAW and GTAW for many years as well.

Here is a link to his 2nd Edition.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0760321728/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Personally, I think his 1st Edition might be a bit better at describing the basics up to an even including gas welding but that's just my opinion.
 

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This is a guy thats a machinist, probably learns real well, has general mechanic education. A short lesson, a class or maybe u tube today. This kind of guy I have run a couple flats and then to vert up, then a little overhead. Ideally he would have 2 machines in a small shop, today one might be the Everlast 160 and a 200 class mig to start with, both machines I might want even if I bought better, lets you wait for deals or get a grip.
These are sure bets,,, before a class,,, after a class, irrelevent and may be better before cause often,,,, the machine we used at school,,,, etc creates a bias and a guy misses the right machine for him. The Everlast is a disposable price on a pretty well proven machine. You aint out much if you do upgrade and to tell the truth could do the stick I do with it very well. Well under 300$. Get a box of 1/8 6011, 3/32 7018 and 1/8 7018. Fix that hoe bucket right up.
 
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6011 open ****, 1/4 no bevel overhead, 2nd pic, same but vert, 3rd pic 7018 up. That 160 will do this on 120V.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind is welding on your backhoe bucket is different than going in the biz of welding up backhoe buckets. A torch goes along with the welder, it wouldnt be wasted on a guy who has a backhoe.
Get a BD grinder from Walmart and a HF welding hood,,, you can ALWAYS upgrade and not out anything with this stuff, it will be well paid for with simple use. The list I give you here you could go buy with confidence.
 

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There is other stuff but those are the picks of stuff I like as well or better in some sense than the better or even the best,,,,, especially given some constraints and one being it be too pensive a guy hesitates. There is a lot of welding in the machining, related to it. You are schoolin in electric, this is another one about crucial and says a lot about a guys skill set if he becomes a proficient welder.
Guys miss a lot of opportunity, makes a guy absolutely twice the mechanic if he has good cut weld skills, its as obvious as daylight without you ever having to say a word.
 

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I had a kid worked for me while he was in high school. He got a job at an excavating outfit. First morning, the guy says you ever do shop something and he sends him out with the other guys. Says he looks over and they trying to burn something off, he offers it up and got the,,, well if you think you could do better comment,,, so he finds a cleaner, fixes up the tim, sets the torch and burns it off clean, piece hits the floor, said,,, one of them ran right to the office to the boss,,, you got to see this,,,, ha, good first day.
 
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