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How do I fasten solid blocking to sistered joists?

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Joists are double 2x12. How do I fasten solid blocking inline (or offset)? Usually they are toenailed from the joists into the blocking. But with the sistered joists, that is at least 3 inches of lumber before the fastener reaches the blocking. What is he correct code compliant method?

Nails or screws?

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Op does not understand the word “toenail” From the context. just be sure you follow that.

The answer given By Mike is correct.
 
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https://www.finehomebuilding.com/pdf/021184090.pdf

At the bottom left on page 6, they say “nail at an angle” through the joists into the blocking. Is that the opposite of what toenailing is? What Mike says toenailing. Thank you.

Yes, pretty much the opposite of toenailing. Start with an angled nail about an inch back from the edge of the block and drive it through the block into the joist. Not as good as driving straight through the joist into the block but it's done in situations like these where there isn't much choice. And with blocking it will be fine. Not much shear force on the nails for blocking. It's just to hold the block in place. Most of the force is compression on the blocks.


This is for a stud but the concept is the same. Consider the stud is your block between joists.
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/woodworking/21019379/the-right-way-to-toenail
 
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Yes, just bridging. Thanks


I have a nail gun that uses clipped nails. Is that against code in MA? Can I use screws?

Not sure, I have a full head nail gun or would use my palm nailer if the gun didn't fit. The fastening is simply to hold the blocks in place so that the joists don't twist. There is no downward load on them.

For this, no one is looking at how they are fastened, just that they are there
 
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Yes, pretty much the opposite of toenailing. Start with an angled nail about an inch back from the edge of the block and drive it through the block into the joist. Not as good as driving straight through the joist into the block but it's done in situations like these where there isn't much choice. And with blocking it will be fine. Not much shear force on the nails for blocking. It's just to hold the block in place. Most of the force is compression on the blocks.


This is for a stud but the concept is the same. Consider the stud is your block between joists.
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/woodworking/21019379/the-right-way-to-toenail
Thanks. Thats a handy tool. I’ll know i missed my mark when I cant move it to the next bay
 
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Thanks. Thats a handy tool. I’ll know i missed my mark when I cant move it to the next bay

The tool/spacer block would be very long for joist blocking and not really necessary. I would skip it. That was just the first link I found that clearly showed the nailing. You can predrill the holes in the block to make things a little easier. Also keeps the block from splitting which can happen with this.
 
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Not sure if code compliant but my opinion is that it works much better. Use a Kreg Jig so it can handle 2x material (mine's a 3/4" originally so I have to back it off some...basically I want the fastener to exit at the midpoint of the endgrain) but then install torx drive screws into the holes. Can drill from both sides staggered to emulate a toenail. There's two steps to drill and then drive so it takes a little more time but I feel like the result is stronger, less beating up the board, no splitting, and what we all want: more clampload between the end-grain and the side-grain.
 

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Not sure if code compliant but my opinion is that it works much better. Use a Kreg Jig so it can handle 2x material (mine's a 3/4" originally so I have to back it off some...basically I want the fastener to exit at the midpoint of the endgrain) but then install torx drive screws into the holes. Can drill from both sides staggered to emulate a toenail. There's two steps to drill and then drive so it takes a little more time but I feel like the result is stronger, less beating up the board, no splitting, and what we all want: more clampload between the end-grain and the side-grain.

Pocket screws are not very strong, but likely fine for this
 

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Pocket screws are not very strong, but likely fine for this

Yes, being "solid blocking" I assumed possibly incorrectly that it was 2X framing materials being used. If you take out the little cap screws (Kreg screws?) that are designed for the joint and put in #10 torx drives they get fairly rigid.
 
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Yes, being "solid blocking" I assumed possibly incorrectly that it was 2X framing materials being used. If you take out the little cap screws (Kreg screws?) that are designed for the joint and put in #10 torx drives they get fairly rigid.

Yes I will be using 2x 12s for blocking, same as the 2x12 joists
 
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