To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

How do Mac and SO “lifetime” warranties work?

Lump

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Messages
3,405
Location
Jamestown, Ohio
I first learned about tools and car repair by handing tools to my dad in the mid 1960’s, when I was about 10-12 years old. Dad had sets of Mac combo wrenches, sockets, and screwdrivers, and also had a mixed bag of other tools by Billings, Bonney, New Britain, Blackhawk, , etc. He constantly preached to me about the virtues and intrinsic value of top quality tools, and warned me against ever buying “Jap junk”. (there were no Chinese tools around here back then, that I know of). :headscrat

Naturally I soon fell in love with cars, while helping him with our various Hupmobiles, Model A Fords, etc… and I really dug our daily-driver 57 Chevy Bel Air convertible. I eventually got a job in a gas station, and later at a Goodyear tire store. I became a mechanic “trainee”, and remembering my Dad’s words about tool quality, began trying to stock my first tool box with purchases each week off the Snap On and Mac tool trucks. (Cornwell was the other big truck brand in our area, but that dealer rarely stopped in our shop, and his prices were much higher than the other two).

I learned from the dealers that, even though the Mac and Snap On tools were much more expensive than other choices available in those days, they were of vastly superior quality, and came with an unconditional LIFETIME WARRANTYperiod. :thumbup:

Personally, I haven’t asked to have any tool OTHER than Craftsman replaced in about 20 years. I am just a hobbyist car collector and tool putter-er now, so I rarely ever break any premium tools. But for many years I have remained comfortable in the knowledge that, if I ever would break one of those tools I bought new so long ago, I can simply take it to the first Snap On or Mac truck dealer I see, and request a new replacement.

But now I am troubled to read on Garage Journal that those “lifetime” warranties are not always so easy to use when you need them. I have read on other posts that some dealers will not replace tools unless you bought that exact tool from that same dealer. Is this true? :wtf: Does that mean my tools are no longer covered under that wonderful warranty that I was promised all those years ago?

Do how do these warranties really work these days? Do the Snap On and Mac truck dealers actually have to pay for those warranties themselves now? :shocking: If not, why wouldn’t they cheerfully replace any broken tools of their own brands which are submitted to them, anticipating that they can develop a new lifetime customer by demonstrating such good service? On the other hand, if my warranty is solely at the discretion of an individual dealer…then what kind of warranty did I REALLY get from Mac and Snap On 30 years ago?
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
L

Lump

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Messages
3,405
Location
Jamestown, Ohio
Just for the record, at this point I am NOT looking for a chance to rant, or to start a big hassle. :eek: I just want to know exactly "how it is" with SO and Mac warranties these days.
 

mrholeshot

MEMBER EMERITUS
Joined
Jun 22, 2010
Messages
8,043
They are suppose to warranty the tool no matter where or when it was purchaced. The dealers don't like to mess with it because it's more time out of their day and they didn't make the money selling you the tool in the first place. My Snap-On man who I really like once gave me just the kit for a 1/4 inch ratchet I needed repair because it was "too small for him to do" lost my business for about 2 months until he found out that just giving me a new ratchet was money well spent. Tool dealers are getting more and more lazy each year. I remember when the MAC tool man we had (he was the best in the area for 20 years) was in business who started his tool business the same year I moved out of my Dads shop into my first dealship job gave you real service with a smile. Anything that was broken he repaired or replaced. When his truck was broken down a few times he call the day before and asked if I needed anything repaired, replaced or anything off the truck. The several MAC guys who took over after he retired just wanted to sell and collect. How they are suppose to do business and what they really do sometimes differs. just like anything else their are the good dealers and the bad dealers. I still buy a few things from my old dealer from time to time but not much. He always seems more than happy to repair or replace my broken stuff.
 

Teken

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
8,214
Location
The Bad Lands
I can tell you from personal experience that the dealer is hit or miss depending upon who the rep is.

If I am ever in doubt with a warranty issue as much as it pains me to do this. I simply cut to the chase and all the bull **** and ship all the tools to the tool company. If I require a RMA number etc I wait till I receive said number, or box, or what have you.

At that point I let the company decide what will be returned new, replaced, or repaired. This has worked for me for over 25 years, with out any hassle, minus the truck dealer who for what ever reason felt he didn't have to meet his obligation to his clients.

To also stress my point I wrote a personal letter to both the DM, and the tool companies that these dealers covered to make sure they knew my displeasure and *I am right pissed off with this guy*

I have always received a reply either via letter, or phone call . . . I pay top dollar, I expect top dollar service not some *read the small print BS*
 

mrholeshot

MEMBER EMERITUS
Joined
Jun 22, 2010
Messages
8,043
Just for the record, at this point I am NOT looking for a chance to rant, or to start a big hassle. :eek: I just want to know exactly "how it is" with SO and Mac warranties these days.

I thought it was an excellant question and I'm sure there is a Snap-On dealer on this forum who can give you the real skinny. I'm sure a call to Snap-On would result in a change of heart for my local dealer. If I still owed Snap-On any money He'd be kissing my fat behind to fix my stuff because they would transfer my account to him. I wouldn't buy a 1/4 drive socket from that *&^%$#@#$
 

selohssa

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 27, 2009
Messages
861
Location
Edmonton Alberta Canada
I have found that a lot depends on the dealer. I had one SO dealer that treated me poorly. Naturaly, I bought my tools from MAC because I did not like the SO guy. I broke a SO die and took it to him for warrantee. He said that they were a consumable and are not covered.

That guy did not last more than 2 years and was replaced buy a great guy. He warranteed my broken die with no problems. I bought MANY tools off of his truck.

A friend of mine that is a retired SO dealer even warranteed a 9/32 drive ratchet because his customer said that his 3/8 sockets would not fit.
 

RAYJAY

Well-known member
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
2,638
Location
UNION DALE PA
unless you owe the dealer your pay check and first born, then what warranty......:shocking:


I travel and snap on can have there tools :wtf: never got service what so ever from any of them,


Mac and Maco dealer a little better but not much..... thats why craftsman, napa tools or even HF for me never had a warranty problem ever with any of them :thumbup:

flame away at will :wtf:
 

Moose-LandTran

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2008
Messages
15,945
Location
The Brink of Insanity (England)
From what i've read of Snap-on's warranty it covers the tool under normal useage for the lifetime of the original purchaser. It's not supposed to cover tools that aren't in the posession of the original owner, but that's up to the dealer.

Some are bad, others good. Of my 3 dealers i've never had a single problem. I told them straight-up when i bought a tool used or if i didn't think it was covered under warranty and i've never once had a warranty claim turned down. I know others have had bad experiences though.
 

impulse922

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 7, 2010
Messages
408
Location
SA, TX
From what i've read of Snap-on's warranty it covers the tool under normal useage for the lifetime of the original purchaser. It's not supposed to cover tools that aren't in the posession of the original owner, but that's up to the dealer.

innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

i'll be damned if they expect me to present a receipt. Who really wants to remember how much Vaseline the dealer used on you that day?

Sounds like Teken has the right idea though. Send it in along with a unsatisfied customer letter and the dealer's name/area.
 

Moose-LandTran

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2008
Messages
15,945
Location
The Brink of Insanity (England)
innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

i'll be damned if they expect me to present a receipt. Who really wants to remember how much Vaseline the dealer used on you that day?

Depends on the dealer. I needed to warranty stuff with my dealer (Who was the district manager) and said to him "I bought this off eBay, and i broke it. Can i warranty it?" and wasn't turned down. I've never heard of Snap-on turning down a warranty request when sent directly to them either.

I don't have invoices for stuff i bought cash, still the original purchaser though.
 
OP
L

Lump

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Messages
3,405
Location
Jamestown, Ohio
Right now, I do not have any SO or Mac tools which I need to have replaced. And if the factory will replace the item per the warranty I was told about when I bought my tools, then I'll be satisfied. But if I do have a tool fail, I really should be able to stop in at a nearby auto repair shop when I notice the truck there, and ask for a warranty replacement...and in my opinion it should be granted. And, if the dealer is smart, he will hand me a catalog and his business card.

Now, at age 56, for the first time in my life I can actually AFFORD premium tools... (On GOOD weeks, anyway!) :thumbup:
 

Moose-LandTran

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2008
Messages
15,945
Location
The Brink of Insanity (England)
Now, at age 56, for the first time in my life I can actually AFFORD premium tools... (On GOOD weeks, anyway!) :thumbup:

It's always made me laugh when people say stuff like that. I'm less than half your age and i have lots of Snap-on stuff (some new, some used.) with zero debt, and all paid for by myself. :)

(That's not an insult, no offence meant.)
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

mrholeshot

MEMBER EMERITUS
Joined
Jun 22, 2010
Messages
8,043
I'm 57 and my tool habits and race cars have nearly put me in the poor house. I'm doing my best not to leave my 11 kids (9 boys 2 girls) anything to argue over when I die (nothing like a funeral to bring out the greed) I make a few dollars selling tools at flea markets. I buy just about anything I can make a few dollars on. I buy and sell quite a few guitars as well. I bought good tools from the get go because I did it for a living. I know what you are saying. When you have to raise a family and put the ones who want to go to school you have to wait on certain things in life.
 
OP
L

Lump

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Messages
3,405
Location
Jamestown, Ohio
I'm 57 and my tool habits and race cars have nearly put me in the poor house. I'm doing my best not to leave my 11 kids (9 boys 2 girls) anything to argue over when I die (nothing like a funeral to bring out the greed) I make a few dollars selling tools at flea markets. I buy just about anything I can make a few dollars on. I buy and sell quite a few guitars as well. I bought good tools from the get go because I did it for a living. I know what you are saying. When you have to raise a family and put the ones who want to go to school you have to wait on certain things in life.

Yeah, that's for sure. I was a serious street racer "back in the day", and even that nearly broke my bank. I never had the $$$ to be competitive at the track. It seemed that I broke something every time I tried. And in my case, I wasn't making enough money to make ends meet as a young "service manager" at local auto repair shops, so at about age 23 I took the test to get into the Sheet Metal Workers apprenticeship program. I made it in, and my first day on the job my hourly rate nearly tripled. So, as relates to car tools, I suddenly needed different tools (mostly), and couldn't afford both types of tools of top quality. I lost track of my Snap On dealer before too long, and that was that. The last item I bought off a tool truck was an "Ajax" (Walker) floor jack, which I still have. So for many years, I bought used tools, Craftsman tools, and even some decent imported stuff (some of you may remember what I said about that in an earlier post...I LOST a lot more tools than I broke...and it didn't hurt so bad when I lost an import).

Anyway, I still have my Dad's deep appreciation for good old USA-made tools, and I really love the older stuff. So today I am trying to slowly replace the import stuff with tools I can be proud to own. Some I will find used at flea markets and estate sales, some I will buy or trade for with my GJ buddies, and some I'll probably end up buying new...if I can find a local dealer for Snap On and/or Mac.

You know, when you think about it, what I am really doing with my tool $$$ is exactly what I choose to do...to please myself. Hopefully I can continue to share my tool-hunting quest with other tool guys who share similar tastes. But if I find that I'm getting on too many peoples' nerves, I'll stop posting about my "hauls", and just keep them to myself. :beer:
 

Heath568

Member
Joined
May 11, 2010
Messages
20
Location
KC
OK... Let me ask this on this thread. I was going to post this the other day but waited.

My dad retired from Cat and has been passing his tools to me over the years. (inch and half drive anyone?)
Proto, Mac, Matco, SO, ect. If I ever break a tool, can I just go up to a truck and have them warranty it? I bet I know the answer. I would love to spend $$ on tools in their truck, but I don't make a living using tools like he did.

I actually have a old SO 3/8 socket that needs a rebuild kit. I approached one truck and got the big blow off. "Who do you work for?" "Did you buy it from me?" Where would I mail it direct? I'm keeping it because it was my dads, and I like to use it. Sure, my ego would love a 28K box in the garage, but thats not going to happen. I will buy good "pre-loved" quality tools for the right price as they come along my way.
 

Blacknwhitepit

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 19, 2005
Messages
3,176
Location
Eastern Tennessee
OK... Let me ask this on this thread. I was going to post this the other day but waited.

My dad retired from Cat and has been passing his tools to me over the years. (inch and half drive anyone?)
Proto, Mac, Matco, SO, ect. If I ever break a tool, can I just go up to a truck and have them warranty it? I bet I know the answer. I would love to spend $$ on tools in their truck, but I don't make a living using tools like he did.

I actually have a old SO 3/8 socket that needs a rebuild kit. I approached one truck and got the big blow off. "Who do you work for?" "Did you buy it from me?" Where would I mail it direct? I'm keeping it because it was my dads, and I like to use it. Sure, my ego would love a 28K box in the garage, but thats not going to happen. I will buy good "pre-loved" quality tools for the right price as they come along my way.

Mail your Snap on Warranty stuff here:

warranty address:
Snap On RPC
2801 80th ST Dock 8
Kenosha, WI 53143


I used it. Needed screwdriver tips replaced. They sent me back brand new stuff. Took a little under 2 weeks to get the stuff back after I sent it.

I was happy.

-BWP
 

GeorgiaHybrid

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 9, 2008
Messages
3,763
Location
Extreme NW Georgia
I guess that I'm lucky in having great guys on the local Snap-on, Mac and Matco trucks. Never have had a problem even when getting a new selector lever for a 1964 model 3/4 SO ratchet.

The SO guy's answer to "Can you get me one of these?" was "Lifetime means lifetime.... No problem"
 

Heath568

Member
Joined
May 11, 2010
Messages
20
Location
KC
Thanks for the input on my thread hijack guys. I will be mailing it in to the mother ship soon.

My situation is that the ratchet is just plain worn out. I have cleaned and re-lubed it once a few years ago, but the teeth are flat worn out. I don't want it to skip one day and bust my knuckles on something stupid. And if I have to worry about doing that I will reach for a different ratchet, thus making owning it not worth my time if it wont be safe to use. I don't think it has ever been misused, It was just bought in the late 60's and used everyday.


Thanks again.
 

chadster1

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 25, 2009
Messages
4,023
Location
Terrell, Texas
Thanks for the input on my thread hijack guys. I will be mailing it in to the mother ship soon.

My situation is that the ratchet is just plain worn out. I have cleaned and re-lubed it once a few years ago, but the teeth are flat worn out. I don't want it to skip one day and bust my knuckles on something stupid. And if I have to worry about doing that I will reach for a different ratchet, thus making owning it not worth my time if it wont be safe to use. I don't think it has ever been misused, It was just bought in the late 60's and used everyday.


Thanks again.

mail it in and you will get a new ratchet, it's that simple
 

Toolhorder

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 9, 2009
Messages
5,711
Location
Montana
I just changed jobs and work on a different car line. New tool dealers are all great. Just in the last month I broke a Matco O2 sensor socket that was like 8 yrs. old, a Snappy 13mm wobble socket that was losing chrome and too loose, a torque angle gauge that lost an o-ring and started falling apart, a Cornwell 1/2 losing chrome and worn out inside and Mac warrantied a 17mm impact wobble that would pop out of socket. NONE of the dealers complained or gave me a hard time. Just ordered or handed me replacements.
All of the above tools except the O2 socket were used purchases from Ebay, Craigslist or the flea market. I used them for awhile before they broke however.
YMMV though, my last Snappy dealer would ask if I bought it second hand EVERY time I needed a warranty replacement.
 

boybacon

Well-known member
Joined
May 31, 2010
Messages
60
Teken -- Maybe SO is evaluating the size of the secondary market. Maybe there was a large theft of SO tools and SO is keeping an eye out. Who knows? My company makes a product where the limited lifetime warranty applies only to the original purchaser with receipt. The practice, though, is to have a very liberal warranty policy in regards to secondary market items. Unless, of course, we find a pattern of abuse and/or fraud.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom