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Outlawmws

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You really want to be careful when you buy taps like that from a garage sale, flea market, or wherever. Most of those guys that sell them are selling either their trash or someone elses. The dies can't get damaged as easy as taps laying against one another. I'm guilty of doing it also with a few. but most of mine are in plastic containers. When you go to use one, if it starts getting tough, don't horse it, back it out and just shitcan it. You can get new taps that will outlast someone elses taps. Nothing is worse than busting off a tap in a head of an engine, or in a block, or where it's in an almost inaccessible place to try and get it out.

Just saying.

I'll take exception to some of this: Most of what I see are not worn out trash, but neglected and hardly used stuff. Rust? sure anywhere from some to a lot. I'll look some over and if they look sharp and like they haven't been tossed in with a carry box full of wrenches for years, I'll pick them up for the right price. Odd sizes in particular can be great bargains as they were likely bought for a single job, used once and set aside...

I do inspect them closely after cleanup, as Kevin is right about dull taps and chipped teeth. Those can get you into trouble.

Look for rounded corners and points on the leading edges. Unless you have the skills (and grinder setup) for resharpening taps, toss them.

If one has its tip broken off, I'll make a bottoming tap out of it. Particularly since a real bottoming tap is probably the least seen in the wild outside of machine shops.
 
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I'm quite certain these are ALLEN on Amazon...but it does not say...http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006Q4XC4A/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Thank you! Just ordered a set, was going to make that, but at that price, why bother!!! Keith

Let me know how long it takes to show up. Penn Tool has them 2-3 weeks out.

Nice setup, Jason!


For those who were wondering about the delivery on these, I just got an email from Amazon that mine have shipped, I'll have them on Monday!!!! Keith
 

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I'm quite certain these are ALLEN on Amazon...but it does not say...http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006Q4XC4A/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Thank you! Just ordered a set, was going to make that, but at that price, why bother!!! Keith

Let me know how long it takes to show up. Penn Tool has them 2-3 weeks out.

Nice setup, Jason!

For those who were wondering about the delivery on these, I just got an email from Amazon that mine have shipped, I'll have them on Monday!!!! Keith

My SAE one came in today, thing looks great, I went digging in my drawers and put about a dozen taps in and about 20 drill bits. Very happy with the fit! Only one was a little tight, I hit it with my de-burring tool and it cleaned right up. Looking for the metric one on Amazon now. Anybody have a link? I can't seem to be able to find it. Keith
 

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Thanks for the offer Jeff, however I'm going to pass. This place has given me a new medical ailment. I now have Tool OCD. Since they will be sitting beside each other next to my tapping machine, they have to match. I ordered the metric one this morning. Thanks for the offer. Keith
 

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LOL! The stands we have here are different colors so they do not match. SAE is blue and Metric is yellow, presumably so you don't grab the wrong tap/bit.
 
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Thanks for all of the ideas. Two Plano boxes and a hout index later:

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Next time I order from Amazon I will get the NF index. It will probably be a long time until I score metic taps at an auction but I will keep my eyes open.
 

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I'll take exception to some of this: Most of what I see are not worn out trash, but neglected and hardly used stuff. Rust? sure anywhere from some to a lot. I'll look some over and if they look sharp and like they haven't been tossed in with a carry box full of wrenches for years, I'll pick them up for the right price. Odd sizes in particular can be great bargains as they were likely bought for a single job, used once and set aside...

I do inspect them closely after cleanup, as Kevin is right about dull taps and chipped teeth. Those can get you into trouble.

Look for rounded corners and points on the leading edges. Unless you have the skills (and grinder setup) for resharpening taps, toss them.

If one has its tip broken off, I'll make a bottoming tap out of it. Particularly since a real bottoming tap is probably the least seen in the wild outside of machine shops.

Outlaw......the reason I said what I did was more for the general person that is not familiar with taps and such. I know that you are familiar with them. We always had Maintenance guys come in, use a tap and put it back in it's plastic holder. I don't know how many times I got in the drawer to get a new tap only to fine one with a chipped tooth, or one that they had run down into a piece of hardened steel to clean up the threads. One never knows how a tap was treated before they get ahold of it. That's why I said that a lot of times it's better to buy a cheaper new tap than it is to buy someones used tap.

Another think also is that myself, I don't use four flute taps. I'll use a 2 flute gun tap or a good spiral tap, then if I need a bottoming tap, I may use the four flute, or like you, I'll grind the bottom off of a tap and make a bottoming tap.

The same thing with files. If I see one that is rusty, I'll pass it up. Once you see a file with rust, it has already started to wear the sharp edges. And you really don't want to keep tossing them in on the top of other files.

For ones that don't have the plastic cases for taps, to store them, ley them in a drawer with the top of the tap to the bottom of the next tap. This keeps the threads against the shank of the next tap and keeps the threads from banging against the threads.
 

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I think we are more in agreement than disagreement Kevin. :thumbup:

I try to educate people on these things as generalizations can also be wasteful and lose you a deal on some things. Any cutting tool has to be looked at in terms of "useful life", absolutely. I'm just not in the "new shiny = Good/better' crowd. (Not implying you are...) Nothing wrong with new shiny, but that's not always a deal, and I'm all about deals at this point. Hell I could probably stop buying tools today for most of my remaining years and not "use up" what I have now, but where is the fun in that? :D

Some of what I buy I don't have and may never need, some is an upgrade to what I have, and some is for friends or resale...

Sometimes there is gold under a layer of rust. Sometimes it's fools gold also though, so you need to educate yourself before buying or know that it's sometimes a risk when you do buy something. Is the cost worth the risk? :dunno: That answer is always "it depends" (Again using the "you" as in general terms and aimed at me as well, not specifically at you Kevin)

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I need to get my taps a little more organized, as I always have to look up which drill bit to use. Right now, though, it works pretty well and slides under the table out of the way. I'd hate to know how much it all adds up to, but they come in very handy when you need them. In fact, I had to break out the 3/8-24 die to chase the threads on a transmission torque arm stud earlier today, which saved me from having to order a new one.

Jason.....get online and do a search in "Images" through Bing or Google and copy off a "Tap & Die Chart" or make a spreadsheet in Excel with the Tap sizes and the corresponding Drill sizes and either laminate it or put it between two pieces of plastic and keep it inside the lid of your toolbox. I keep a Decimal/Fraction chart in mine along with a Drill & ap chart and also with a Helicoil tap and drill chart. Way easier having it inside the lid than having to look on the wall chart.
 
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I think we are more in agreement than disagreement Kevin. :thumbup:

I try to educate people on these things as generalizations can also be wasteful and lose you a deal on some things. Any cutting tool has to be looked at in terms of "useful life", absolutely. I'm just not in the "new shiny = Good/better' crowd. (Not implying you are...) Nothing wrong with new shiny, but that's not always a deal, and I'm all about deals at this point. Hell I could probably stop buying tools today for most of my remaining years and not "use up" what I have now, but where is the fun in that? :D

Some of what I buy I don't have and may never need, some is an upgrade to what I have, and some is for friends or resale...

Sometimes there is gold under a layer of rust. Sometimes it's fools gold also though, so you need to educate yourself before buying or know that it's sometimes a risk when you do buy something. Is the cost worth the risk? :dunno: That answer is always "it depends" (Again using the "you" as in general terms and aimed at me as well, not specifically at you Kevin)

:3gears:


I agree with you 110%. And I am not taking anything you say as an attack or implication. When it comes to machining, there are so many things to look for when it comes to the deals. I'm not a "shiny & new" person either, but like you, I want to take care of what I have and keep things in good shape. Myself, I have tools that I made, or tools I purchased years back that looks like they have seen the better days, but are in fact close to new, but age and the weather has taken it's toll on a few things. If a person is not familiar what to look for as far as the sharpness of perishable tooling though, it's sometimes safer to buy new. The main reason that I buy new sometimes is that I learn to become familiar with the tooling. Whether it be an endmill a tap, or even a set of Mics, you know where the tool has been and what it's done in it's time. And with more and more people becoming "home machinist" I have saw a lot of stuff on CL, and flea markets or garage sales, that have a ridiculous price on them. I know what the tool or tooling is, and what it's worth, but others that just bought that lathe or mill and want to become home machinist, may not have a clue and will buy junk or spend three times what the item itself cost new. It's a shame that people want to take advantage of people like that for a few dollars.

I try to educate people that are just now becoming those home machinist, and at times, I don't convey things real well in typing out on the computer, as to what's actually going through my mind, and it does rub some people the wrong way (not saying that you do, so please don't take it that way) I'm just trying to help them out with what I have learned over the year, and from my experiences with what I have run up against.

And like you, when it comes to buying, I'm all for the bargains. I'm not rich, and when it comes to having anything to do with machining, whether it be precision tools and perishable tooling, it can get to be expensive really fast. I think a lot of sellers compare Machinist to the price of gold. I missed out on some good deals a number of times. One that will always stick in my mind was when my mom and sister went to a garage sale. My mom called me later and told me that a guy down the road had some "C" clamps with numbers on them, and some other odd looking tools. He also had a nice toolbox but he painted his name on it and he only wanted $25.00 for the toolbox and $10 for the "C" clamps. Seeing that it was right down the road and I knew almost everyone alont there, I asked her what his name was, that was on the toolbox. In my head, I am envisioning a ****** toolbox with bright neon orange stencils with his name. She said his last name was Kennedy. I couldn't get down there fast enough. Sure enough, there was an 8 drawer Kennedy tp and the two drawer middle base. $25.00. The "C" clamps.......0-12 Mitutoyo mics. Already sold, and the toolbox was the only thing left :( He was a Toolmaker, got pissed and quit his job and was selling everything. :wtf: Yep...I'm all for those bargains :drool:

At least there is a number of people on this site that tries to help others though, and that's what it's all about. I don't know it all and never will, but what I have learned from my experiences as a tool designer and as a toolmaker, I will try to pass on to others that may not know. To me, there is nothing any more satisfying than getting in front of a mill or lathe and start turning some handles. In just a few minutes, you get in the "zone" and the problems of the day go away. Total relaxation, or it is at least to me.

So yes, you and I are in total agreement on things, just in different words :beer:
 

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Jason.....get online and do a search in "Images" through Bing or Google and copy off a "Tap & Die Chart" or make a spreadsheet in Excel with the Tap sizes and the corresponding Drill sizes and either laminate it or put it between two pieces of plastic and keep it inside the lid of your toolbox.

Actually did that last week. I found a pretty good chart on Google, printed it out, and had Office Somebody laminate it for me.
 

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I just throw mine in a large drawer. I probably have a couple hundred of them so I should be covered if one gets damaged. :lol:
 

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.... Down on the bottom shelf, literally below my knees was one unopened carton of six of these little storage boxes made by a company called Plano. ....

Jim C. (A new Plano storage box fan)

Plano boxes are sold for fishing tackle at Wally World etc. I have two in my impact driver case, and a couple others in my box. They're good, cheap, and adjustable.
 

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I cut some tap trays out of HDPE (aka cutting board) and cut grooves in it with ball mills. Have two drawers full of them in a variety of sizes.

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Stuff cuts like butter and you can run a wicked fast feed and speed and get a great finish.

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You can get a variety of colors a http://www.woodcraft.com for $25 per 24 x 24.
 

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Damnit I need a mill, that looks great.
I keep mine in a drawer but I think I'm going to order a huot tap dispenser.
 

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Damnit I need a mill, that looks great.
I keep mine in a drawer but I think I'm going to order a huot tap dispenser.

Yiu don't need a mill to make those grooved trays. That can be made with a router and some simple shop built fixturing. HDPE and UHMW can be cut with woodworking tools. Just be sure that the cutting tools have sharp edges.
 
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