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How hard is a ratchet pawl?

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I have an old out-of-production 1/4" ratchet that's missing a pawl. I'm toying with the idea of trying to machine a replacement for it. I suspect the pawl would be worthless unless heat treated to a useable hardness?

Anybody want to take a guess at hardness range (RC) of a typical ratchet pawl?
 
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It's a collectible, dude!

I will be stimulating the economy by purchasing tooling to make it, howsomever.
 

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I would imagine that the pawl has to have pretty strong tinsil strength as well as being tempered and heat treated to a useable hardness. My guess is anything over RC 56. Unless you have the knowledge and facility to properly heat treat and temper and use the correct type of steel I would suggest trying to buy rather than make a replacement part.
 

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I would assume it is softer than the ratchet body itself so that it wears out, instead of the head of the ratchet. But it would need to be hard, to say the least. I guess do a test of the ratchet itself, see what it is, then get some steel that is marginally lower in hardness. Strength is the other aspect you will want to think about, since to hard can be too brittle *** well.
 
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My guess is anything over RC 56. Unless you have the knowledge and facility to properly heat treat and temper and use the correct type of steel I would suggest trying to buy rather than make a replacement part.

Thanks. My school does have the ability to heat treat, and this ratchet hasn't been around since WWII, and was rare even then, so chances of parts are slim to none. Might be cheaper to pick up a duplicate, if I ever find one, but I've never seen one for sale other than the one I purchased. :shocking:
 

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Thanks. My school does have the ability to heat treat, and this ratchet hasn't been around since WWII, and was rare even then, so chances of parts are slim to none. Might be cheaper to pick up a duplicate, if I ever find one, but I've never seen one for sale other than the one I purchased. :shocking:

What type of ratchet? etc?
 

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If you have acces to a hardness tester, test a pawl from any make ratchet for a reasonable idea of the hardness you will need.

The type of steel used will also play a part in heat treating. I would stat with 4140 and go from there.
 
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If you have acces to a hardness tester, test a pawl from any make ratchet for a reasonable idea of the hardness you will need.

The type of steel used will also play a part in heat treating. I would stat with 4140 and go from there.

Yeah, I was afraid I might have to do that; not sure the machine shop has a hardness tester but maybe I'll get lucky. Thanks!
 

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Bolster,

A lot of the tools from that era are case hardened for wear resistance and have a soft core for strength. You might be able to pack one in carbon and case harden the pawl in your furnace and get by with it. Try checking a few other pawls and see what hardness they are testing at.
 
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Not all of us from the South fell off the turnip truck last week...Some of us got off and walked into town to see what was going on...

But then there's the others...

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Not all of us from the South fell off the turnip truck last week...Some of us got off and walked into town to see what was going on...

I think about 20 years ago one of them took a wrong turn, ended up in London and i fell off. I don't know any other locals here that like pickups, country music, John Deere caps and say "y'all" . I even used to have a mullet.. :headscrat
 
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Damnit man, quit posting my picture on the web that way! I mean it! :lol_hitti

Here's what I saw on my last trip to the South... had no idea UB had his own fine steak resta-rant. If you enlarge the photo you can see a pitcher of the ol coot just under his name...
 

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"But then there's the others"


You guys have to excuse Lookin, he's from up north and doesn't recognise a picture of someone from Alabama when he comes across one...
 
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If you have acces to a hardness tester, test a pawl from any make ratchet for a reasonable idea of the hardness you will need.

The type of steel used will also play a part in heat treating. I would stat with 4140 and go from there.

Not a bad suggestion but piss on a bunch of Rockwell. It's not like you're building a part that life and limb is dependent on. You can get a real good idea just how hard it is by hitting it with a file.

The 4140 suggestion is fine except for one little issue. 4140 is typically available in prehard bar stock. Machining it is not that difficult but it's still prehard.

The case hard suggestion is also good but a small part like this would be better off through hard.

So what do you do ??

Well go ask Art of course. :bowdown: He's got all the answers


Elroy don't think so.

This is what Elroy would recommend: Go get some O-1 bar stock and have at it.

And while Art is looking that up in his Marks, O-1 is Oil Hard tool steel. It's is readily available in oversize, precision ground flat stock. It's relatively soft and easy to machine especially when compared to the 4140. Make the part and fit it for size and function then hit it with a torch till red hot. Quench it fast in some motor oil. You'll end up with a through hard part that a file won't touch and if tested will be around 52-58 Rc.

Elroy would also entertain Art's suggestions if he can keep it civil.

The 24 year old boy wonder is also cordially invited.

Elroy has a substantial side bet on this. No response = draw.

Go ahead, make my day gentlemen.
 
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But Elroy, it would much prettier if color case hardened in bone charcoal.... I think the nice straws, yellows and blues hidden away inside a ratchet would not be "overboard" in this crowd...:)
 
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