How is the switch hot...

[SuzukiGS750EZ]

what are you using to test the wires for voltage?

A DMM. initially it was a non contact voltage tester that told me voltage was present on the wires in the outlet and when I wanded the switch I was pleasantly surprised. I don't understand how the switch and the other wires all have 121v but yet it did control that outlet. Is this an anomaly or? I know I'm not crazy... I would imagine there's supposed to be 120v in at the outlet and another run of nm-b from the outlet to the switch. The switch wires neutral and the hot in on the live cable get twisted together and then the other wires in the outlet box go to the receptacle. Now the wires in the switch box go to the switch and break the current. Right? But this is all hot all the time...

 

[Viper98912]

There is another junction somewhere that you can't see. So you have a second switched loop somewhere to another box that's doing the same, and causing you to have the extra hot wire.

 

[SuzukiGS750EZ]

There is another junction somewhere that you can't see. So you have a second switched loop somewhere to another box that's doing the same, and causing you to have the extra hot wire.

That's what i figured, i just don't know how to go about finding it... i thought i had located it as i saw an NM-B cable go down the top plate about where the switch was, but when i disconnected the hot in the junction box the hot was still live down below. So that wasn't it. I know there are instances where an outlet can be on two circuits, could this outlet possibly be in two different junction boxes? But then why would they have tied the two wires together like you would in a switched circuit? I feel like this is just a one in a million issue lol. I'm not understanding how a switched outlet has 6 wires and 3/6 are hot. I figured if i had undone the neutral/hot combo in the outlet box the switch would have died.

 

[DirtyJersey]

This is similair to what you have going on....
You said when breaker is off all hots are dead....you need to start disconnecting other things to find what is feeding the outlet....disconnect 1 at a time until those hots stay off when breaker is on.

Only other possible scenario, is a hidden junction box somewhere( attic maybe?).

Good luck

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[DirtyJersey]

On 2nd thought, remove the outlet altogether and wire your fan as shown in diagram.
Just make the 1st junction in outlet box...without outlet and put a cover plate on.
Can then operate fan with switch and remote.

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[SuzukiGS750EZ]

On 2nd thought, remove the outlet altogether and wire your fan as shown in diagram.
Just make the 1st junction in outlet box...without outlet and put a cover plate on.
Can then operate fan with switch and remote.

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Minus the switch, that's what I did I believe. Its a remote operated fan so the switch was redundant as well as a pain. If off, remote doesn't work obviously, but it would also reset the fan or light needing the remote anyways.