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How is your VCT floor holding up?

mmhouse

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I got my garage taped and painted last fall and am just about done installing fluorescent lighting.

Next comes the floor and I've just about settled on commercial grade VCT (vinyl composite tiles). It's a working garage but I'm basically just a wrench turner, no welding etc. I do spill a little oil from time to time.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have had VCT down for awhile about how it's holding up and what kind of maintenance has been necessary. Have you replaced tiles due to discoloration from tires? Any other information on likes and dislikes from those with experience with the product in service would be appreciated.

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Mike
 
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It will be 3 years this July since I installed VCT in my 550 sq. ft garage. There has been no tile lift, no cracking or chipping of tiles, just a one half inch dent where I dropped a pipe wrench.
Twice a year I scrub the floor with a mop and cleaner, let it air dry and lay down a double layer of polish (also air dry). I may do a complete stripping this fall, rent a portable machine and do it right.

All liquids have been immediately wiped up and left no stain. Tires will stain VCT. I designed my layout to include 2 sections in black tile where my cars will reside. The stains are there, just not as noticeable as on lighter tiles. For winter storage I jam 3 cars in there so use some carpet pieces on the lighter colored tiles where the tires contact. I like the lighting bounce that VCT provides, very bright for a work area. They are slippery when wet (aren't we all :)). Jack stands will leave an impression on the tile surface. I have some 8" square thin metal plates I lay down on the tile first.

My garage is not what I consider a "working" garage. I own no heavy equipment, no welding gear, but do perform routine maintenance in there. It is also a hangout area where my car nut buddies and I do some bench racing and enjoy the occasional adult beverage so I appreciate the ease of upkeep and finished look of VCT. Thus far it has given me what I required and at a bargain price.

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All liquids have been immediately wiped up and left no stain.


How about rain water dripping off cars? Does that have to be wiped up?
 

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We don't get much rain here in the valley so its never really been a consideration. If the floor does get wet I usually give it a wipe with my foam mop.
 
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mmhouse

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Thanks SteveB for the info. :beer: I was beginning to think that I wasn't going to get any resposes!

We definitely have rain here but I can't imagine that being a problem. If others can answer from experience though I'd like to hear.

Have you had any problems with tiles 'creeping' from raising and lowering cars onto it?

Thanks again.

-Mike
 

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Please do us all a favor and purchase tiles that are made in the USA!!! We don't really need a bailout... we just need Americans to support Americans!

Thanks!!!
 

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Have you had any problems with tiles 'creeping' from raising and lowering cars onto it?
Thanks again.
-Mike

No, none of my tiles have shifted. For the first year or so I noticed that my wife had a habit of turning the steering wheel after having parked her car on the tiles, something about leaving it straight. I expected that this squirming would have an effect on the VCT but there hasn't been any. Keep in mind her car is a 2200 pound Miata though, not some huge 4 X 4.

"Please do us all a favor and purchase tiles that are made in the USA!!! We don't really need a bailout... we just need Americans to support Americans!"

I'm a Canadian ...........:headscrat

I was near certain that the Armstrong VCT I purchased three years ago from Home Depot were made in the USA, no?
 
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"Please do us all a favor and purchase tiles that are made in the USA!!! We don't really need a bailout... we just need Americans to support Americans!"

I'm a Canadian ...........:headscrat

Thanks again for the info. Steve. :beer:

I'm sure he meant to say "made in North America." :)

The US would be in an even bigger mess if it weren't for Canadian oil, just to mention one (very important) product. :thumbup:

Crude Oil Imports (Top 5 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Dec-08 Nov-08 YTD 2008 Dec-07 YTD 2007
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CANADA 2,033 2,028 1,931 1,796 1,888
SAUDI ARABIA 1,394 1,487 1,506 1,675 1,447
MEXICO 1,126 1,296 1,185 1,234 1,409
VENEZUELA 1,028 1,080 1,041 1,246 1,148
NIGERIA 869 775 923 1,210 1,084
 
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I've had my VCT down now for two years in a 450ft^2 garage. It sees the same duty as SteveB's, except I park my daily-driver there. I use wood under my jackstands, and planned to have the tires parked on black tiles before I laid them.

If it's raining and you park your daily in there, you may consider mopping around the perimeter of the vehicle after letting it drip for an hour. Standing water does TEMPORARILY discolor the tiles (makes then gray and porous), and Armstrong says don't leave standing water. I'm sure I've let puddles air-dry and I haven't noticed any issues. But, it's best to follow the manufacturers recommendations and mop it up. Plus, because they are slippery when wet, you don't want to slip hopping in the vehicle right where it's been dripping.

I haven't cleaned or waxed in almost a year so it's getting kinda dirty. This weekend I have plans to strip and re-wax though so it will be sparkling again!
 

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No, I'll be using just the chemical stripper since the floor isn't really in that bad of shape overall. Mostly just remove the old wax and put down a few fresh coats....

I haven't tried any non-slip stuff as I'm the only one that uses the garage. If my wife and kids were parking in there (that sounds pretty bad doesn't it), I would use non-slip. I'm sticking with the regular Armstrong wax since I've never had an issue over the past few years.

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Out of curiosity, is it possible to remove the yellow tire stains? I have them from my kart stands.
I figured that mineral spirits would cut through the wax and get the stains out, but it didn't. There are probably 5 or 6 coats of wax, so tiers must just go right through the wax & stain the tile itself. I've got some commercial floor stripper - just haven't had a chance to try it yet.
 
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Out of curiosity, is it possible to remove the yellow tire stains? I have them from my kart stands.
I figured that mineral spirits would cut through the wax and get the stains out, but it didn't. There are probably 5 or 6 coats of wax, so tiers must just go right through the wax & stain the tile itself. I've got some commercial floor stripper - just haven't had a chance to try it yet.

My understanding is that tire stains in the VCT are caused by a chemical reaction between the tire compound and the tiles and cannot be removed.

However, it is pretty easy to replace tiles by heating with a torch, prying them up, removing old glue and re-gluing a new one(s) in place.
 

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I have tried various products and had no success in completely removing the stain. It seems to be more pronounced when caused by real sticky, performance compound tires. Perhaps the chemical reaction begins quicker with this type of rubber. Even on my black VCT you can faintly see a yellowish stain, but not enough to really bother me. I knew beforehand of this condition and planned accordingly.
 
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If it's raining and you park your daily in there, you may consider mopping around the perimeter of the vehicle after letting it drip for an hour. Standing water does TEMPORARILY discolor the tiles (makes then gray and porous), and Armstrong says don't leave standing water. I'm sure I've let puddles air-dry and I haven't noticed any issues. But, it's best to follow the manufacturers recommendations and mop it up.

I would like to know more about whether or not sitting water will stain the tile and, if it does, how easily the stains can be removed.

We get lots of rain here and it would not be practical to mop up the water every time we drive in with the car wet.

This could be a deal killer for me if it's a big problem.
 

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I've had my floor done for about two years now. It has mostly been used for a woodworking shop, and it only has had regular vehicle traffic for about a month and a half now. The tiles are all still solid and well adhered. There are a few small gouges from dropped tools, but i would rather the tiles be gouged than the tools damaged. There are a few discolored marks from the feet on tool bases, and i can see the car tires are starting to leave marks. Water dripping off the car from either rain or the air conditioner hasn't left any staining, but it does take the polish off if it sits there. I think i'll probably end up getting a mat for under the car. I do have a problem with adhesive seeping up between some of the tiles at certain times of the year. It cleans off with some scrubbing, but is ugly and annoying. I think this may be caused by condensation (humid air hitting cool concrete) rather than water moving through the slab, but i haven't been able to test this theory yet.
 

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I would like to know more about whether or not sitting water will stain the tile and, if it does, how easily the stains can be removed.

We get lots of rain here and it would not be practical to mop up the water every time we drive in with the car wet.

This could be a deal killer for me if it's a big problem.

I'm in South Carolina, so we don't get a whole lot of rain. When it does rain, I'll park my car in the garage and after about an hour, there are a bunch of small puddles underneath from it dripping off the body panels around the perimeter of the car (not really anything under the car - just around the outside). Sometimes I'll just take am old rag and quickly drag it around with a foot just to get most up and/or spread it around so it dries quicker. Other times, I've forgotten completely and come out in the morning or late in the evening to see milky whitish patches where the water was standing previously. I've done this a few times, and there hasn't been any permanent discoloring or damage, but I don't know how that would work in your climate or how many times you'll be in and out of the garage on a rainy day.

Plus, you should definitely consider an anti-slip coating in that case if you go VCT. I'm in a warm, dry climate which is ideal for VCT. I personally wouldn't want to take a chance in a cold, wet climate with it unless you find someone with similar experience. :)

Dave
 

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we get a good bit of rain here in the Atlanta area. My wife and I both just pull in and let the rain drip off and air dry. It is slippery when wet and yes the water does make the wax coating turn a milky color but it dries just fine by itself. I have seen no lasting effects from it. My VCT has been down for almost 3 years and I agree with what the others have said. I have small square of plywood to put under jacks and stands and mine is not a working garage. Brake pads, spark plugs and water pumps are as involved as I get. Not a single tile has moved and no adhesive has seaped up. I love my floor.
 

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That Racedeck flooring looks really nice! My shop is a work in progress right now, and I have thought from time to time about different floor coverings. The problem for me out on the acreage is that I may be working on the dragster, a daily driver, or a tractor with chains on it that needs to warm up after plowing. The chains will kill just about anything, and welding and brake cleaner won't help either. So I guess I am just doing plain Jane concrete sealer for now. It fits my budget too. I will live vicariously through some of you with the nice floors.
 

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I'm okay with Canada... lol... I've made a lot of house payments due to work in Western Canada. You guys need to keep building tanks and pipelines!!! Woot! Woot! :drool:
 
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Thanks all the for the informative responses. :beer:

I think all of my concerns are put to rest and I'll be installing a VCT floor this summer. Between now and then I'll be choosing colors, figuring out a pattern and finding a good deal.
 

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I would think that brake cleanor or carb cleaner would ruin VCT? We have VCT at my workplace installed underneath solvent printers. The ink and cleaning solvent for the printers definitely stains the tiles. In fact, the cleaning solvent melts the surface.
 

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Brake cleaner, PB Blaster, etc doesn't seem bad for the tiles in the short term, but it will remove the polish. I used a lot cleaning my 18 year old daily-drivers undercarriage and suspension that had over 100k miles on it:

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I would like to put a Wolverine coating on mine someday for the ultimate protection and reduced maintenance. I just liked the diamond pattern look in my light duty garage :)

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Well, I used the Armstrong floor polish stripper over the weekend. I don't recommend it at all. You really have to do a small section, and then scrape it off with some work. Definitely not something you want to do for 500ft^2.

I think I'll rent a polisher/buffer from now on.
 

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FWIW I always come back to these VCT threads(because I like the look) and have more or less decided that its not so good for a daily driver garage stall. More for showcase stall . But the Ol' memory just kicked in ! I work at a car dealer that had VCT where for years and years we would bring cars onto the showroom down a hallway turning sharply entering and leaving . And of course positioning in the showroom. We did have to put down carpet due to the tire stains. (its now tile) But never did a VCT "pop" or "lift".
I wonder how much time has an effect on tiles staying put ?
 

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Has anyone with VCT not waxed it? I've had mine in about 6 months and haven't waxed it yet, and am wondering if I need to.
 

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I don't personally have VCT down in my garage. I do however have extensive experience with the stuff!

After spending the last 17 years in the United States Navy I have come away with the knowledge that if all else fails for me jobwise, I have a career in Janitorial Services locked up!! When I was going through my initial schooling, I spent a lot of *quality* time stripping and waxing.

The best way IMHO to strip and wax a large (or even small) VCT floor is to do the following:

Assemble the following supplies: (2) Large mop buckets, (3) mops, (swab!) floor stripper of your choice, buffing wax and a high speed stripper/buffer (rental).

#1 - Sweep floor
#2 - (1) Mop bucket full of clean, hot water. Mix proper ratio of floor stipper with water.
#3 - Apply a liberal amount of stipper solution to floor.
#3 - Use High Speed buffer w/ stripping pad to remove old wax. (ooks like a big, round, over-sized green sink scrubbing/scouring pad)

If you have never used A High Speed Buffer before, they can be a pain the first few times. They have a mind of thier own! To set it up properly do the following:

#1 - Stand behind the buffer
#2 - Locate the handle level adjusting knob (located at the base of the handle before it meets the body of the buffer)
#3 - Loosen knob and adjust the level of the buffer handle to the height of your waist (beltline)
#4 - Let the buffer do the work! Work using a side to side motion.

Back to the main directions!

#4 - Run the buffer back and forth taking your time to ensure that you get up all of the old wax. It should only take a couple of passes. For harder to get spots like corners, use a regular green abrasive sink scrubber and work it the same way.

#5 - Using a fresh, clean mop and your 2nd unused mop bucket with clean, hot water, mop the floor to pick up the old wax/stripper solution. Change the water often. You don't want to leave behind any residual wax/stripper.

**THIS STEP IS CRITICAL!! IF YOU LEAVE ANY STRIPPER OR OLD WAX BEHIND THE NEW WAX/BUFF JOB WILL LOOK TERRIBLE!**

After the floor dries (30-40 mins) it should look dull and hazy. This means that you have successfully removed all of the old wax/finish, good job! Onto the next step!

#6 - Pour wax into a clean bucket.

#7 - Using a new mop (or the same mop that you used to pick up the old stripper, just make sure that it is super-clean with no traces of stripper left behind) Apply the wax to the floor using a back and forth sweeping motion ensuring that you get full coverage between sweeps. Don't push and pull the mop back and forth like nature (or mom) would have you do!

#8 - Wait the recommended time, about 30 mintues, for the wax to set-up.

#9 - Remove the stripping pad from the buffer. Make sure to wipe the buffer wheel down to ensure that there isn't any stripper on it that could drip on your floor. Replace the stripping pad with a soft, buffing pad.

#10 - Remove shoes (sock feet only during this step!) Go to the furthest corner of the room and start buffing the wax out! Use the same back and forth motion letting the buffer do the work. The buffer works the same with either pad except the travel is a lot smoother with the buffing pad. Don't hover in one spot to long. If you like, you can walk the buffer from one side of the room to the other, Left to Right, Front to Back. Don't work yourself into a corner. You will be amazed at results!!

When it comes to product selection, I would use commercial grade. The stuff you find at Wal-Mart or the big box stores are for Suzy Homemaker.

If you have any questions, ask away!!
 

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What Wolverine coating is recommended for VCT?

Brake cleaner, PB Blaster, etc doesn't seem bad for the tiles in the short term, but it will remove the polish. I used a lot cleaning my 18 year old daily-drivers undercarriage and suspension that had over 100k miles on it:

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I would like to put a Wolverine coating on mine someday for the ultimate protection and reduced maintenance. I just liked the diamond pattern look in my light duty garage :)

Dave
 
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