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How many can lights?

Jason Garza

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Hello all, my name is Jason and I am a fairly new member here. I have been reading over all the post and getting some really good ideas for my garage. I like the looks of can lighting but do not know how to calculate how many for a garage that is 21x19 with 12 foot ceilings. If someone can steer me in the right direction that would be awesome.
 
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every fixture has a data sheet that you can get from the manufacturer. this sheet will show what the light pattern is at a given elevation. get the sheet for the fixture and trim you want and then space them accordingly
 

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Nice thing about cans is that you can play around with different CFL or LED wattage values.

I have 16 cans in my garage...20x25.....I think it's about right...I'm using 23w CFL's....

This is what one section looks like....



You can see more if you click on the garage build link in my signature...
 

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Hello all, my name is Jason and I am a fairly new member here. I have been reading over all the post and getting some really good ideas for my garage. I like the looks of can lighting but do not know how to calculate how many for a garage that is 21x19 with 12 foot ceilings.

The problem with (at least most) "can" type fixtures is that their light output is VERY directional. This in turn almost inevitably leads to woefully uneven lighting, with lots of alternating "hot spots" and shadow areas. Look at the photo posted by "ddawg16" for a perfect example of this phenomenon: I count at least four different "hot/cold" zones just within the small area area of that workbench/cabinet setup.

If someone can steer me in the right direction that would be awesome.

Cans are great when you want "dramatic" lighting (cf. that photo, again); but they are generally not very practical in a garage/shop, except perhaps as dedicated task lighting over stationary machines and/or work tables. For your general lighting, you would surely be far better served by something like:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-Light-Utility-Light-3348-2L32W-WRAP/100654395
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...hite-Fluorescent-Light-Fixture-3324/202192968
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every fixture has a data sheet that you can get from the manufacturer. this sheet will show what the light pattern is at a given elevation. get the sheet for the fixture and trim you want and then space them accordingly

Just to further elaborate on this...

If you go this route, the critical point on those graphs will be where the light output has diminished by about 50%, vis-a-vis the on-axis value. Find that "half intensity" angle, then apply some basic geometry to determine what the horizontal distance from the lamp that angle corresponds to AT THE WORKING HEIGHT (which, given the OP's 12-foot ceiling, would be no more than about 8-9 feet). Your on-center fixture spacing should be no more than double that figure.


Nice thing about cans is that you can play around with different CFL or LED wattage values.

Well, you CAN; but that would only influence the overall maximum brightness levels. It would do absolutely nothing to improve the EVENNESS of the illumination, which is strictly a matter of the fixture/lens/bulb design vs. the fixture-fixture spacing.

I have 16 cans in my garage...20x25.....I think it's about right...I'm using 23w CFL's....

In addition to the "spottiness" issue noted above, that strikes me as a marginally inadequate amount of light to start with, even if it were distributed completely evenly. At about 1,600 lumens for a typical 23W CFL, you're looking at an AVERAGE source brightness of only 51.2 lumen/ft.^2. By the time you're down at working height, it would be considerably less than that. But the big issue is still the uneven distribution: While you might have 75 (or more) lumen/ft.^2 in the "hot spots", you will have correspondingly less than the average in the shadow areas.

 
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The problem with (at least most) "can" type fixtures is that their light output is VERY directional. This in turn almost inevitably leads to woefully uneven lighting, with lots of alternating "hot spots" and shadow areas. Look at the photo posted by "ddawg16" for a perfect example of this phenomenon: I count at least four different "hot/cold" zones just within the small area area of that workbench/cabinet setup.



In addition to the "spottiness" issue noted above, that strikes me as a marginally inadequate amount of light to start with, even if it were distributed completely evenly. At about 1,600 lumens for a typical 23W CFL, you're looking at an AVERAGE source brightness of only 51.2 lumen/ft.^2. By the time you're down at working height, it would be considerably less than that. But the big issue is still the uneven distribution: While you might have 75 (or more) lumen/ft.^2 in the "hot spots", you will have correspondingly less than the average in the shadow areas.


I don't agree with your 'spottiness' assessment. Yes, when you look up at the pattern on the cabinets, it looks that way...but look at the floor. I have no issues with shadows or distribution of light. I should also point out that the above pic was taken with flash off. My garage has plenty of light.

Additionally.....I don't have to worry about breaking a bulb if I'm swinging long pieces of wood around. And....I can go with bigger bulbs if I want. A 30w CFL or an LED will fit in that same fixture. Hate to see what it would cost to put LED's in a tube fixture.

Bottom line....it works well for me and I have the ultimate in flexibility as compared to say 4' tubes.
 

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2 many projects nailed it for you. In my opinion 12 ft. high ceilings is fairly tall to get good, spread out task lighting using recessed cans. good luck
 

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I'm using can lights with CFL's in my basement. I have really low ceilings and they are the only fixture I could fit and not hit my head on. Even with a 7 foot ceiling, they work great, no dark spots. Way way better than I ever would have guessed.
 
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