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How much natural gas is "enough"?

ksj9393

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I am being asked by the local utility company how much gas do I want. Well... not in so many words, but they're asking for estimated BTU's/hr which is simple enough to arrive at, or so I thought:

Detached Garage
  • Heating = 82,000 BTU/hr
  • Hot H2O = 32,000 BTU/hr
  • Gas Grill Connection = 48,000 BTU/hr
  • Total = 162,000 BTU/hr
House (to be built later, thus estimated)
  • Heating = 122,000 BTU/hr (unless I go geothermal GSHP)
  • Hot H2O = 60,000 BTU/hr
  • Cook Stove = 58,000 BTU/hr
  • 2nd Gas Grill Connection = 48,000 BTU/hr
  • Clothes Dryer (?) = 22,000 BTU/hr
  • Fireplace (x2) = 96,000 BTU/hr total
  • Attached Garage Heating = 33,600 BTU/hr
  • Total = 391,600 BTU/hr

They also want to know about pressure requests, e.g. 6 or 7 inch water column, or 2 lb, and here's where I get confused.

The natural gas service is at the corner of our 2 acre lot, and the utility company will place the meter on the detached garage as it is closest. I am desirous of one service for both garage - being built this summer - and house - being built a year later. Now, for the questions (which, sadly, the utility company was not very responsive to answering...)

1. That's a lot of gas... is residential gas supply sized to "typical" use? Or to "maximum possible" use?

2. Do I need to request a high pressure service, e.g. 2# service, or even 6" or 7" WC?

As mentioned, gas arrives at the garage, and will be run from there to the house. The house will be 125 face-to-face feet from garage, and from meter to utility room in house the distance will be roughly 200 feet.

If I am understanding the physics properly (and there's no guarantee of that!) it would seem that standard service, pushed through a 1" pipe 200' from garage to house will only supply about 125 CFH. (Spitzglass formula for less than 1 psi) At roughly 1000 BTU per cubic foot, I'm ONLY meeting my heating needs at the house, with no gas left over for anything else.

Thus, I must increase pipe diameter, or inlet pressure, right? Increasing to 1.5" pipe nearly triples CFM, it would seem, thereby meeting my needs? It wouldn't seem so, as there will be further loss of flow when routing pipe about within the house itself, right? Maybe I need a 2" nominal sched 40 steel pipe?

Or would I be smarter to look to increase the pressure in the line, and use smaller (cheaper?) pipe. Can pressure be left higher after the gas company's meter/regulator? Will 2 lb service suffice?

It seems like it should be a simple issue, for someone with knowledge and experience. I fear I am overthinking the problem and getting myself unnecessarily hung up on "optimizing" the solution.
 
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My load calcs worked out to about 400,000 for both buildings.

They should have no problem supplying. They will likely only run a 1/2" line to the meter, but that line will be at 30+ PSI.

I would reccomend a 2# gas system. This will make it easier and cheaper for when you run the feeder to the house(smaller pipe required). You can get a "whole house regulator" for the house/shop where it enters the building. That way you don't have to put a regulator at each appliance.

2# is quickly becoming the norm for new construction.
 
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ksj9393

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Thank you for the response...

Am I correct to understand that once the gas leaves the primary meter/regulator, it would be at 2 psi (2#), and that I would branch off that main trunk heading into the garage for the feeder line to the house?

And the whole house regulator... it then further "down regulates" gas pressure to the 1/4 psi to 1/2 psi that appliances expect?

I wish that the gas company would simply tell me what I need, rather than asking me. Is this standard fare nowadays?
 
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What I can tell you from our recent upgrade is that the gas co. ran 2" flexy pipe (for future housing development) to a junction; cut back to 1 1/4" from there to house. This is on a 1/4 mile driveway and the 1 1/4" is supposed to run everything just fine.

The gas co. contact whom I became friendly with during the process told me there was an area of homes circling a good sized lake being serviced by 1 1/4" only
 

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Have the utility bring the 2# service in to the house. Your plumber should do a gas load calculation on the new house so he knows what size pressure regulator, trunk and branch piping to install to each appliance.
 

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Thank you for the response...

Am I correct to understand that once the gas leaves the primary meter/regulator, it would be at 2 psi (2#), and that I would branch off that main trunk heading into the garage for the feeder line to the house?

And the whole house regulator... it then further "down regulates" gas pressure to the 1/4 psi to 1/2 psi that appliances expect?

Sounds like you understand it correctly. In my case I had to upgrade my meter/service at the house when I added the detached garage. I got them to replace the 1/2# meter with a 2# meter. Immediately after the meter there is a T fitting. 1 side of the T feeds the shop (190' run) the other side of the T goes into a "whole house regulator" to drop it to 1/2# which then feeds the existing/old gas plumbing for the house. At the garage (190' away) there is another "whole house regulator" that drops the pressure to 1/2# for the garage appliances.
 
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