How to divert water from door....drain tile?

[Eazy716]

I've been having issues with water puddling next to the side of my garage. The stone walkway is pitched towards the garage, so I know this is the start of the issue.

Attached below is the area I'm speaking of. Not in the pictures is a gutter system the drains to the back(which consequently still runs the water right back next to the side door due to grading in the back yard). Also not pictured is the 2 or so foot section of grass next to my neighbors chain link fence.

What are my options to help move water away from this area? I'm assuming I'm going to have to pull up all the stones in the walkway and grade it away from the garage, but is there anything else I can do to help? Would digging down under the walkway and laying some kind of drain tiyle help me? The only issue with that would be that i could only set it the length of the garage as there is poured concrete at both ends of the stone walkway and I'm not digging that up to do a full out drain tile.

I'm kind of in a pinch with the small area I have to work with, so any input is much appreciated.

 

[timgr]

So why don't you send the water from the gutters out to the street, or away downslope somewhere? The pictures show no gutters - in that case, the roof sheds all its water on the walk. If you can collect that water, it needs to be sent away somehow, either to the street, downslope, or to a dry well.

I expect the drain tile won't do anything much unless it drains somewhere. Again, a dry well is an option.

That, plus the obvious step of replacing the gutters and regrading the walk.

 

[Eazy716]

gutters were installed after these pics were taken years ago. i would prefer to send it out the driveway, but in order to do so would require a downspout that would block my fence gate, and the concrete walk out to the driveway. Here's the best pics I have handy to show you kind of what I mean. To the right of this first pic where my wife is standing is the walk out and where the fence gate sits.

to the left in these pics you can kinda get an idea from the front.

 

[Coyote35]

I've been having issues with water puddling next to the side of my garage. The stone walkway is pitched towards the garage, so I know this is the start of the issue.

Attached below is the area I'm speaking of. Not in the pictures is a gutter system the drains to the back(which consequently still runs the water right back next to the side door due to grading in the back yard). Also not pictured is the 2 or so foot section of grass next to my neighbors chain link fence.

What are my options to help move water away from this area? I'm assuming I'm going to have to pull up all the stones in the walkway and grade it away from the garage, but is there anything else I can do to help? Would digging down under the walkway and laying some kind of drain tiyle help me? The only issue with that would be that i could only set it the length of the garage as there is poured concrete at both ends of the stone walkway and I'm not digging that up to do a full out drain tile.

I'm kind of in a pinch with the small area I have to work with, so any input is much appreciated.

Longtime lurker so here goes with my first, I've popped my cherry...

There are lots of things you can do but it depends on price and effort. First off is your neighbors yard draining here? If so you will need to berm the edge to keep his water out of your yard.

Cheapest way is to then remove the stepping stones and dig the area down about 12" to 18", you can use this dirt for the berrier ber if needed. Then line the trench with landscape fabric, which keep sediment from leeching in. Then install some drainage tile, 6" to 8" HDPE type. you can grade the dirt to slope into this pipe for more efficent drainage and/or add two or three runs. Then install an ADS type of leech basin or leeching pipes and connect. The ADS type of HDPE drains and leeching basin is readily available at Home depot type of stores and is cheap but lasts forever, unless you drive on them.

Then backfill with gravel or stone. This way you have a hard surface but it drains and the pipe, trench and leech basin will hold a lot of water. It then slowly leeches out into the soil, unless it's clay.

Additionally, you can locate the leeching basin away from your garage and it will direct the water away from the structure. I recommend a low spot or dry spot in the yard. Trees will love this location. You can also hook you your roof drains into the system to remove all water from the area.

Shouldn't cost more then a couple hundred $ max.

Hope this helps, if not PM me and we can discuss it further.

 

[Wingnut65]

Thanks for jumping in Coyote. Great idea. Welcome to GJ.

Placing a downspout at the front of the garage does not mean it has to be on the side wall. It could vary easily extend around the corner and come down the corner face of the garage. Then it wouldn't narrow your side yard.

My first thought was to suggest placing a yard drain at the back yard, near the garbage can in photo 2, run a drain pipe down to the front end and install another yard drain. That would provide a path of least resistance for the water to flow from the back to the front without going across your walkway and in front of the door.

 

[Eazy716]

Thanks for all the input! That info is what I was generally thinking would be my solution...or if not a total solution, better than it is now.

Wingnut, as far as the downspout to the front, whether i ran it down the side wall, or out off the front, it would end up blocking the walkway there. I know it;s tough to see in the pics, but the way it is setup, leaves me pretty much no room to do it that way. In my last post, the last 2 pictures you can kinda see what I mean on the left side of the pictures. theres the 2-3 foot section of wall, and in front of that there's the angled concrete that is a very small section of walkway.

 

[rockchucker]

I would start with Gutters and lead them to the front of the Building. Install a very shallow Drain Pipe that goes from the Gutters to the Street. It looks like there is a slope on your driveway to the street. This drain would go under your sidewalk of course so you don't have a pipe across your walk.

 

[Frank The Plumber]

I do sprinkler systems once in a while, I'll get someone who wants a sunken stone patio in the middle of their yard, they don't want a pond, they want a patio.

Here's what I do.

I dig out a 12"x12" trench maybe 20 feet long, at the far end I dig out a fair sized pit and fill it with pea stone, place a bit of pea gravel in the bottom, place a section of pipe or tube SDR perforated tubing, not the black junk, in the trench on the pea gravel, I put the sock on the tube cap the end, run a riser up to the drain. Place pea gravel over the rest and bed a bit of CA6 or 7 on top and tamp it.

I have several of these ground area drains in existence for as long as 10 years. I've never had a bit of backup out of them.

In your case, I would run the tube with the sock along the area that is having troubles, do the method I do but do not use the CA6/7 just use a larger river stone or 1" pea type stone, the water should run into this easier, try to route the end to a lower less prone to cause troubles area, and do the pit and pea stone. If you like you can do a drain or two.