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How To: Make a Coil Spring

A_Pmech

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Often, I need a special spring which can't be sourced from the spring selection at the local hardware store. Sometimes, not even specialty suppliers have the correct one, or their minimum order quantity is absurd for what I need.

The recent "useless tools" thread reminded me about how the lathe is a generally under-appreciated shop tool. There are so many jobs a lathe can do besides turning simple shafts and bushings. Making springs is one of those jobs.

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To wind a spring you need to begin with the right material. An ideal spring material has a large area under the stress-strain curve. That is to say, the material is capable of storing a large amount of potential energy though elastic deformation. Baling wire and safety wire are not suitable for making springs because they do not have a high enough yield strength. As a result, the area under the stress-strain curve is relatively small and the wire deforms plastically instead of elastically.

The basic wire for making springs is spring temper 1080 drawn wire, also known as "music wire." Manufactured per ASTM A228, it has an ultimate tensile strength of 300,000 PSI to 400,000 PSI, about seven times the tensile strength of baling wire.

Music wire is sold in coils by weight and arrives "bent" from the coiling process. The wire must be straightened either with a wire straightener or by hand. This step is IMPORTANT! Bent wire will not form predictable coils because of the stress already inside the wire. What looks like a perfect spring before cutoff will end up a nasty mess when you cut it loose from the mandrel.

THE SPRING

In the case of this tutorial, I need to copy the spring below. It is made from .041" wire with an ID of 1.030 and an OD of 1.114" Length relaxed is about 2.25" and the pitch of the coils is 2.

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THE SETUP

The setup is straightforward and simple, just a mandrel and a wire guide. In this case, the mandrel is made from a chunk of scrap and I'll be using an Aloris tool holder as a wire guide.

The mandrel is nothing but a round form over which the wire is wound. As the spring relaxes and gets bigger when cut off the mandrel, the mandrel must be a smaller diameter than the ID of the finished spring. Trial-and-error will result in the correct mandrel diameter with a couple of attempts.

There are many ways to make the wire guide. Ideally, the wire guide will provide enough friction on the wire to force it to wrap around the mandrel while not damaging it. Scores in the wire will result in fatigue failure of the spring. In my case I simply pass the wire though the v-groove in the bottom of the toolholder which has been lightly polished.

To apply tension to the wire so it will wrap around the mandrel, I use the tool mounting screw nearest the mandrel to smash a section of dowel rod into the groove on top of the wire. This results in unpredictable tension which can mildly affect the finished coil diameter, but for one or two springs it's an acceptable method.

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MAKING THE SPRING

To start the coil I drill a hole in the mandrel a few thousandths larger in diameter than the wire. This hole doesn't have to be precise. I did this one with a battery drill freehand. Then, I bend a hook in the wire and insert it into the starting hole.

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Coiling commences by running the machine in reverse and applying a few wraps to the mandrel. It's important to apply a few more starting and ending wraps than you need as the first and last wraps tend to "go wild."

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Once the starting wraps are complete, engage the half nuts and feed the carriage to coil the spring. The pitch of the spring coils is set by this operation. Just as the diameter of the mandrel needs to be smaller to accommodate relaxing of the completed spring, the initial pitch of the spring must be coarser than the final product. It will get shorter when you cut it off the mandrel, resulting in a finer pitch.

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Finally, cut the spring loose. Use care here, the wire should be under a LOT of tension and has quite a bit of stored energy. 40 thou wire will raise a good blood blister. 80 thou wire will rip a hole in your hide.

Notice how the first and last coils went "wild?" This is why you must add extra starting and ending coils when winding on a mandrel. Also notice, the spring got shorter.

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Cut off the excess coils and adjust the final spring length by pulling it open or crushing it down slightly, if necessary. If you're going to do multiple springs, set the DRO or travel dial and it's possible to make springs with repeatable lengths, so long as you follow the same procedure for each spring.

There you have it! A finished spring!

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Now, take those trial springs you made and throw them in the scrap hopper before anybody sees them. After all, you got it right on the first try.

;)

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Thank you! I have tried to research this very subject on more than one occasion with little success. Again, thank you.
 

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For sure some wire works and some do not; I have done it before and they came out really nice and once it went straight as soon as I let go. Remember that well but don't remember what wire it was :dunno: thanks for the tips and there are some really cool videos on the tube of making springs.
 

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It really hadn't occurred to me to make a bunch I need. I have a job apart now and need a little one off thing I will score from a dealer but have another one they want some absurd amount for because hey the only one that makes it after the fact, long obsolete.
 
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Thank you! I have tried to research this very subject on more than one occasion with little success. Again, thank you.

You're welcome!

Steel 35 said:
For sure some wire works and some do not

Yup! You have to start with the right wire or it won't work.

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but have another one they want some absurd amount for because hey the only one that makes it after the fact, long obsolete.

That was the problem here. The spring was custom-made for a machine which the manufacturer disowned a decade ago. Sometimes it comes down to making one or doing without and being able to make springs on the lathe means you never have to do without. :D
 

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I know someone who makes 3.0'' rings with 1/2'' dia. hot rolled rod on a tool room lathe. I saw it with my own eyes, what an animal.
Once he has the 12ft length all coiled in, he takes a cutting wheel and slots all the way down the shaft.
I would never buy that lathe.
 
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I know someone who makes 3.0'' rings with 1/2'' dia. hot rolled rod on a tool room lathe. I saw it with my own eyes, what an animal.
Once he has the 12ft length all coiled in, he takes a cutting wheel and slots all the way down the shaft.
I would never buy that lathe.

Yeah, there's a definitely a limit...

A few years ago there was a photo which circulated around PM of some guy using a B&S horizontal mill as a powered ring roller for square tube. It was rather sickening.
 

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Just throw these in with the pile of shavings, they'll be hidden in no time... :lol:


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Nice how-to, thanks for posting it..
 

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Is there anything you can't do A_PMech?:thumbup: Can the next tutorial be on spring design for a specific value?

Just a quick note for anyone that may try this, use caution if your lathe has a threaded on chuck. It probably wouldn't happen or be very fast but you might be in for a surprise depending which way you wind the coil.
 

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Did you do a video with this method on YouTube?
I saw one not long ago and really enjoyed it. Pretty sweet process.
Still trying to figure out a setup to make front coil springs for my cummins powered ram that's 2" taller than factory :lol_hitti
My fingers just can't grip the wire hard enough to be efficient :lol_hitti
 

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MATERIALS

To wind a spring you need to begin with the right material. An ideal spring material has a large area under the stress-strain curve. That is to say, the material is capable of storing a large amount of potential energy though elastic deformation. Baling wire and safety wire are not suitable for making springs because they do not have a high enough yield strength. As a result, the area under the stress-strain curve is relatively small and the wire deforms plastically instead of elastically.
The second half is well stated.

Borrowing this image from Wikipedia

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A good spring material would have a large area between the origin of the graph and point #1, which is the transition from elastic to plastic deformation. After that, the material is "bent"/deformed and it will never return to its exact original state.


Now, take those trial springs you made and throw them in the scrap hopper before anybody sees them. After all, you got it right on the first try.

;)

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Love it !
 

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Thanks! I've actually been looking at spring material (they have assortments for gunsmiths in straight, 18" pieces). I just have a couple of basic springs I need to make...more like the springs for clamps...a long straight piece on each end, with a couple of coils, wrapped around the pivot pin of the clamp.

Kev.
 
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A good spring material would have a large area between the origin of the graph and point #1, which is the transition from elastic to plastic deformation.

That's what I meant, the area under the curve to the elastic limit. Thanks for pointing that out.

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A_Pmech

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Did you do a video with this method on YouTube?
I saw one not long ago and really enjoyed it. Pretty sweet process.
Still trying to figure out a setup to make front coil springs for my cummins powered ram that's 2" taller than factory :lol_hitti
My fingers just can't grip the wire hard enough to be efficient :lol_hitti

I haven't made a video of it, no. I'm sure somebody has though.

Front coil springs? No problem!

 
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I was wondering where to score wire and how much it costs etc. I need some about 3/32 or so. The ones I am after now are about 5/8 bore and 18 inches long or so, farm equipment stuff, slide over a 1/2 rod. It seems I looked for them on the net and didn't have much luck. Maybe Deere has some run off as needed?
 
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zkling said:
Can the next tutorial be on spring design for a specific value?

Just a quick note for anyone that may try this, use caution if your lathe has a threaded on chuck. It probably wouldn't happen or be very fast but you might be in for a surprise depending which way you wind the coil.

Thanks Zach.

Machinery's Handbook has a good section on coil spring design which is worth reading. I doubt most people here would be interested in it, but the process is pretty straightforward.

Good point on threaded chucks! There's enough energy stored in a piece of wound wire that it could unscrew the chuck completely from the spindle. For anybody who does have a lathe with a threaded chuck, I suggest winding your springs in the forward direction.

I was wondering where to score wire and how much it costs etc. I need some about 3/32 or so.

The proper wire is inexpensive and stocked by McMaster in several different materials in sizes to 3/16", which is about as large or larger than I'd want to wind on my lathe. A 1lb coil of 1080 3/32" music wire is about $6.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#music-wire/=qyooey

I've never tried to wind a spring of the specifications you give, but the arbor would have to be fairly small. At that length the arbor would probably deflect and fail coiling wire that heavy. There are a few tricks to help with this. One trick is to coil the spring with closed coils and then pull the spring open to the proper pitch after coiling. This reduces the length of the arbor required to wind the spring substantially.

Another trick is to use your lathe to build a single-point coiling machine.

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I've never tried to wind a spring of the specifications you give, but the arbor would have to be fairly small. At that length the arbor would probably deflect and fail coiling wire that heavy.

if you would set your toolpost further out from the workpiece, you could use a tailstock to overcome that problem?
 

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Man that brings back memories. A number of years back we used to have to make springs. I was glad when they found outside sources to do it.If the print called out +/- .010 on the spring drawing, we were held to that size. :eyecrazy: So to say, there were quite a few springs in the trash after going through inspection. :lol:
 

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That brings back some memories for me also. A regular job was winding filaments for electron guns out of .020" tungsten wire. These were close wound and wound hot.
 

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That's what I meant, the area under the curve to the elastic limit. Thanks for pointing that out.

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The "area under the curve" represents the work done on the material. I think that you mean to say that a suitable spring material must make a leisurely transition to plastic deformation (e.g., "work hardened"), so that a new elastic limit is obtained.
 

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A Pmech thanks for the post
Clear pics that have been sized nicely
And a very good write up
Much appreciated
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What I was attempting to convey is that materials with high elastic limits, such as music wire, are capable of storing large amounts of potential energy (work done on the spring) before reaching the elastic limit. Materials with low elastic limits don't make suitable springs because the area under the proportional side of the curve is small and even relatively small deformations will result in reaching the elastic limit of the material.

If the spring is designed correctly, it should never reach the elastic limit of the as-formed wire. If it does, the properties and size of the spring will change in-service.



Steinmetz;3803096 said:
The "area under the curve" represents the work done on the material. I think that you mean to say that a suitable spring material must make a leisurely transition to plastic deformation (e.g., "work hardened"), so that a new elastic limit is obtained.
 

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I did some cnc springs years back. Tough to compete with the European guys who had 20+ years experiences. Then the company started importing a lot and downsized.
 

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New at this I needed a small spring with.019 guitar string but how to keep coils tight? Two legs but a three layer coil about 1/8”round a post goes through this to hold it and an action bar that moves up and down it’s held down by spring tension until pushed up by a mechanism .my coils weren’t tight which caused outward pressure AND FRICTION WHICH IMPEDED THE BARS ACTION when assembled how do you force the coils to lay tight against each other while coiling,I formed this with pliers around a rod. The first pic is the homemade spring installed without the bar that it holds down,The no.2 is the factory spring it replaced.I thought the factory spring was wrong,my idea of how it worked and was installed was wrong,( WELL,I did have reasons)!IMG_3360.jpegIMG_3361.jpeg
 
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I’ve wound springs before, but McMaster has a lot of off the shelf ones that are usually pretty close. Nice write up!
 

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Sorry,I forgot to check dates again,in a hurry to learn something,just thought I could learn to make this spring!but thanks for the complement.I just bought 2 springs,thought they were wrong,but,Iwas.
 
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