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How to thin paint: what does "thin by x percent" mean

koenbro

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I am refinishing some cabinets and the paints suggests thinning 10-30%. What does that mean: water is 10% of the final volume vs water is 10% of the paint volume? Of course at 10% the two are virtually identical, but at 30% it's quite a bit of difference.

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I would think, if you have a gallon of paint and you can reduce it, or thin it! by 10% to 30%, you could add 12.8 oz. of water, up to, 38 oz. of water.
 

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I am refinishing some cabinets and the paints suggests thinning 10-30%. What does that mean: water is 10% of the final volume vs water is 10% of the paint volume? Of course at 10% the two are virtually identical, but at 30% it's quite a bit of difference.

Many thanks.
Yes, the other posters are correct. You are allowed to add 10%-30% of the unthinned weight of the paint. So if a gallon weighs 128 oz straight out of the can, thinning it by 10% means that you can add 12.8 oz. To it for a new total of 140.8 oz.

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You should realize that thinning paints should ONLY be done to the minimum extent needed to get it to work in whatever equipment you are using. (I.e. To get it to flow through a sprayer...to get it to flow on the brush..etc..etc). Thinning can (will) result in lower performance when it dries, less cover, less durability, etc.
 

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I've starting using a Ford cup to check the viscosity of the paint. Mixing by percentages never seams to be as repeatable for me. Now I know how it's going to flow through the gun before I shoot it.
 
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When you use a Ford cup (#4 came with my HVLP setup), how do you use the information (time) to thin and select the needle?

For example, the Ford cup time is 48 seconds for a water-based paint I want to use for a cabinet. I have the Fuji 1.3 and 1.5mm needles. Agree with above poster that a minimum thinning is desired, say 10%. How do I dial in the optimum thinning, and select the right needle?
 
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Needle/tip size has more to do with Flow Rate than viscosity. Select your smaller 1.3mm tip/needle combination for smaller parts or cut in's, and conversely, the larger 1.3 for larger areas. As already stated, use the minimum amount of reduction as possible, and yet still achieve good atomization. Keep in mind that HVLP yields about 50% Transfer Efficiency, i.e., half of your paint is waisted in overspray. Reduction reduces paint solids by weight/volume, further reducing efficiency. More coats will be needed to build film. For example, if you desire 1 mil of dry paint, and your reduced paint was 25% solids to water/solvent, then you would need to apply 4 mils of wet paint to end up with 1 mil of dry paint. Thus two coats of paint, 2 mils wet per coat!

Adjust your Atomization Air to dial in particle size, and your Fan Air to for your pattern size. Dial in to a nice oval shaped pattern. For a good reference, Google: The ABC's of Spray Equipment, it was published by the DeVlbiss Company who as it turns out, invented spray atomization! Almost all spray gun manufacturers today have great online resources, use them to learn, and then practice!

By the way, viscosity cups really don't work very well with Newtonian (viscosity changes under shear) fluids like latex paints. For most, unless you have a Brooksfield viscometer, that means, reduce the minimum need ed to achieve good atomization, small paint particles when spraying a test pattern.

I realize I threw a lot at you here, but learning to spray paint can be rewarding, useful, and fun!


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