How to use this urinal without plumbing

[RABRods]

Yes, the best case would but to cut concrete and run proper drainage and water. Unfortunately I do not have the funds for that.

My goal is to have the urinal in the garage in a simple way. I have pictures of a few thoughts below, let me know if you guys think any will work or what will be the best. My two concerns are, if I have no water flow will it smell in the garage? Will a loop or P-trap help? Also, weather I have a bucket with water or just urine, will I have freezing issues as I live in Michigan?

Also, I do not want to use any sort of chemicals as I do have a dog.

Thanks for looking.

 

[steam_mill]

I only have a single car garage....If it were bigger, I would do a large funnel, hose on the end, looped like a trap. Hose would exit garage go into the ground.

In the ground, I would burry a 2 or 3 gallon inverted, with hose hooked to bottom of bucket. gravel in bottom of hole.

Simple, should be no issue with cold just use plumbing antifreeze to "flush" in winter. Keep a 500 ml water bottle to flush when above freezing.

 

[ADSR]

Do you have drain tile or water liters around your house? I'd run it in to one of them.

 

[MScott]

I have noticed a lot of these waterless urinals in use in commercial establishments such as box stores, restaurants and schools. There does not appear to be any smell from them. Apparently they use an oil barrier in the trap to stop odour.

http://www.faucetdirect.com/sloan-w...al-vitreous-china-wall-mount-fixture/p1106067

 

[rsanter]

Build your own small septic system

Bob

 

[MoparTrucks]

At my old place I just had a piss tube which was a 6" diameter pipe sunk at a 45 degree angle into some gravel (any Marine or Army vet knows what I mean) and I never had any smell issues since it was outside and got rained on a lot. Do you have to have it inside or could you put it outside with maybe a privacy screen or something?

I would think a P-trap will be more of a bother than its worth because you will have to have a bucket of water or something to force the urine through the trap and you will have issues with freezing but you can always blow the line in the winter with compressed air. I just like the simplicity of a piss tube, no moving parts, nothing to clean, and if you had it inside through a wall or something you can always just cap it.

 

[buddyboy]

i would run it like option #2 except I would put a 'tee' or a 'wye' where it enters the ground and extend up a section of pipe that would act like a vent stack. then cap that stack with a vent screen or something to keep the critters out.

I wouldn't use a trap it's just gonna be full of urine and stink

 

[G_P]

Waterless urinals clog up with calcium buildup.
But that's in public restrooms. I doubt your shop urinal will see that volume of piss.

Use the oil barrier though or it will absoloutely REEK!

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[woodrail]

I'd do your best to keep it away from your slab or foundation. I'd even go to the trouble of diggind a small trench a few feet and throwing in an 1 1/2" PVC to gravel. Something like that I would not hesitate to hook a water supply to the urinal to give it a quick rinse to get rid of surface odor.

 

[BrianC636]

You can also throw some ice in there during the summer to help dilute the urine.

 

[Professur]

http://www.falconwaterfree.com/

 

[Nowater]

Any urinal will smell unless one cleans it. The water flush removes most of the urine, but not all.

When urine exits the body it is sterile unless one has an infection. Once it hits the air, it quickly changes back to ammonia and serves as a food supply to bacteria, which produces the smell. The ammonia acts like a very potent fertillizer, which can burn any nearby plants over time.

 

[RABRods]

Thaks for all the suggestions. I would buy a waterless unit, except I am sure they are extremely expensive, and I already have a free urinal sitting at home waiting for me. I do like the idea of possibly using the oil chemical in the drain to help with smell if it is feasible.

At this point my plan will be to get it mounted after drywalling (next weekend hopefully) and then run piping similar to Option 2. I will run i out several feet from the foundation in gravel similar to a septic system. I Assume I need to run it below frost point too. I will then at the very least hook up a jug for water source. And or ICE in the summer as well.

 

[Oldbear]

You can also throw some ice in there during the summer to help dilute the urine.

The ice is already in the drink...

Most of the crowd I hang out with have a bright yellow funnel and a straight pipe at 45deg or so through the shop wall and into the ground 2-3ft. Some have an elbow to make the ground pipe go straight down. One had a 8ft deep pit filled with gravel (during construction) and ran the pipe into that... good luck with the build.

 

[Erampu]

Why go through all the hassle? Just go outside and arc it.

 

[LutzTD]

Why go through all the hassle? Just go outside and arc it.

I was thinking the same thing, plant a bush

 

[RABRods]

HAH I would just go outside and arc it, but I figure I already have a free urinal and the neghbor kids are always in the backyard, so a few hours of diggin and runnin PVC pipe would be better than ******* off the neighbors, or getting the police called hah

Also, I decided to make it even more complicated, when I add the jug of water above it I will rig up a lever and and a flapper valve like in the bowl of a regular toilet. I know now I am making it complicated.

 

[Kevin54]

Do not put a "P" trap in it unless you are going to flush it with a bucket. A "P" trap is designed to keep sewer fumes out by staying filled with water after flushing. If you put a trap in with no water, the trap will fill up with piss and smell all of the time.

Personally, with no water, I really wouldn't put one in. Even though with no trap, it's still going to be covered with piss and start to smell rather quickly. If you don't have neighbors, or if they can't see behind your garage, I'd just take a leak outside and do away with the smell. It a slight inconvenience in the winter but when it's really cold out it'll just keep you from shaking it too much.

And if you're worried about neighbors, either put up a section of privacy fence or get a porta-jon dropped off and use that.

 

[thdewey]

I'd like to do something similar. Even make a grey water septic system as others have suggested. Just have the urnal and a sink run to a small barried trashcan filled with gravel.

 

[Nostraquedeo]

You could mount a bracket on the wall above the urinal to support a 2-3 gallon jug. Leave some spare plastic tubing hanging with a shutoff valve, hook the jug up to the tubing and then invert it. Then use the valve as a means to flush/rinse when done. Use window washer fluid in the jug, you'll clean and rid the thing of urine. I'd skip the P-trap!

 

[Nostraquedeo]

.....or you can skip all this and save the bleach and laundry soap jugs and use those. About the time the wife gets a new one, the old one will be full. Make sure to label it, so no mistakes are made!

 

[Matt M PA]

I thought about this myself...even for a small bar type sink.

I thought I could have the waste exit the building and go into the same type of conduit that is used to bring electric into the building. No one would know what it was from the outside. (I haven't done it)

 

[stewie97]

just keep a spray bottle of bleach water on a shelf near by. Each time you use it give the urinal a few squirts.

 

[bjaspud]

Gentlemen,

I LOVE the fact that we've had 22 posts and not a single person has said 'this is a bad' idea' or 'ewww, that's gross' or 'its not environmentally correct'. Glad to see that some practical men still exist in this country!

Spud

 

[spotco2]

Yup, I've always had a funnel in the wall with a piece of rubber hose going down into a bunch of gravel outside.

I even have a fancy little bucket (butter container) that sits over the funnel to keep it closed up.

Be sure to rinse it every now and then or it will get funky. A little lime outside on the gravel helps too.

 

[theoldwizard1]

My BIL has acreage "up north" with a trailer. The first couple of years he would haul a tank with the black water to a dump station. Obviously a pain.

So he decide to build an outhouse. He dug a hole about 6-8' deep and the same diameter. Took a plastic 55 gallon barrel and drilled a bunch of holes about halfway up and placed it in the bottom. He back filled around it with 3/4" crushed limestone. Soil was very sandy (drains well).

The "outhouse" had a regular toilet, refilled by gravity from a barrel. The drain included a vent out the roof.

 

[Air_Cooled_Nut]

I used to work for a company that used the waterless urinals and they smelled.

I would like to do the same thing as the OP but I'm worried about environmental rules. A splash of water would be fine with me. We get enough rain around here I could easily harvest it from the roof. It sure would be nice to stay in my shop for the minor things such as peeing or dumping out stale beer (not that THAT has ever happened! Just as a pre-caution...yeah, a pre-caution ).

 

[Tarnished]

Posted this on my shop thread, but this is what I use,
Urinal mounted with spring back valve,

and 55gal barrel overhead full of water.

Drains to buried roof eve drains.
Make sure urinal does not have internal trap, or will stink for sure. Barrel needs to be emptied for Ohio winters, but cheap and easy Wizzer!
Keeps the neighbors from laughing....

 

[pendragon1998]

If you can't pee off the front porch, you live too close to town.

 

[slip knot]

If you can't pee off the front porch, you live too close to town.

We have a winner. My wife gets really "pissed" when I kill one of the shrubs in front of the porch. Told her I'd quit peeing on that one. I'm peeing on the one beside it now.

Just go around back and let it fly. The neighbors will get used to it eventually.

 

[RABRods]

Tarnished thanks for the pics I like the setup. That's a good point about seeing if the urinal already has a trap, I didn't think of that.

Where did you find the "spring back" valve? That would work perfect. Is that type of valve on any other common products that I could borrow it from?

 

[skooter_built]

Posted this on my shop thread, but this is what I use,
Urinal mounted with spring back valve,

and 55gal barrel overhead full of water.

Drains to buried roof eve drains.
Make sure urinal does not have internal trap, or will stink for sure. Barrel needs to be emptied for Ohio winters, but cheap and easy Wizzer!
Keeps the neighbors from laughing....

I will be stealing this idea! Thank you

 

[socapots]

Man. I've been ******* in an old tall beer bottle.. Then dumping it outside. Lol.
No way I am going outside to piss when its -20C lol.
A guy I knew had a pipe through the wall to a portapotty he got from somewhere. Not sure if he uses the potty part at all.

 

[vwracer]

I just go out back. If it is cold, nasty or raining I keep a 5 gallon bucket ready in back room of shop and dump at end of night.

 

[machine_punk]

When I was in the mechanized infantry in the National Guard, it didn't take us long to realize it was a bad idea to relieve ourselves near our vehicles...it doesn't take long at all to stink. If you aren't draining this into a sewer pipe of some sort, you are going to have a smell quickly.

You'd be better off with another military trick...using old gatorade bottles, and dumping them whenever you can.

Kev

 

[mitchn06]

in this month's issue of a magazine i just got, it has an advertisement for an incenerating toilet run off of 120 or 240V. an all electric toilet. seemed really weird, but now i see a possible application!

 

[justanengineer]

Free urinal? Id mount that pisser on a post and plant it on the front lawn like a statue...maybe build a fountain around/underneath it like the ultimate tribute to an enjoyable pasttime.

Seriously, not sure Id want a urinal in the garage unless it was some sort of a statue/monument/wall art. Ive got a floor drain and a lack of space, so why waste it on a urinal?

 

[Tarnished]

Where did you find the "spring back" valve? That would work perfect. Is that type of valve on any other common products that I could borrow it from?

RABRods, Don't know what the valve is called, but when I went looking at my professional plumbing supply house, they knew right away what I was talking about. Not cheap, but not that bad either. Works well.
Think it might also be used for water fountains and such??

 

[srmofo]

I wouldnt put a urinal into my garage without some sort of way to flush it. Its going to smell like piss....because its an open container and covered in piss.

What you need is a pee can like you use on a boat. Just toss the contents out into the yard. Keep the lid on it when not in use, and wash it out with some bleach and water every now and then.

Or you could build a water storage container that is filled from the gutters with a valve inside to 'flush' the urinal. Although outside water can go stagnant and smell pretty bad on its own.

 

[socapots]

in this month's issue of a magazine i just got, it has an advertisement for an incenerating toilet run off of 120 or 240V. an all electric toilet. seemed really weird, but now i see a possible application!

And just wait for the stink when it lights up. Lol.