Steroblan
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a p-trap could easily siphon itself down to the point of no effective trap without a vent. If you're in town then why not just step into the house for a squirt rather than the muss and fuss of maintaining the urinal.
How to use this urinal without plumbing
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FXDawg
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whatever you do, you should run it through some kind of neutralizer. Urine is VERY acidic. I can't imagine it not smelling otherwise. The waterless urinals use some kind of chemical treatment. If you leave it without a flush or treatment it will eat up some **** and stink!
You are better off ******* in a jar and then dumping that into the toilet in the house.
You are better off ******* in a jar and then dumping that into the toilet in the house.
Plump
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I took a couple sections of privacy fencing and mounted them to the back of the garage. Got a five gallon bucket and put in the RV toilet "blue stuff". When it's getting full, I just dump it on the train tracks and start over.
If it's really cold out, a simple bucket and toss is the way to go.
Totally planning on plumping in a buried drum with gravel though for my gray water from the garage sink. Nothing but soap, water, maybe a little bit of latex paint from washing brushes goes down there.
If it's really cold out, a simple bucket and toss is the way to go.
Totally planning on plumping in a buried drum with gravel though for my gray water from the garage sink. Nothing but soap, water, maybe a little bit of latex paint from washing brushes goes down there.
The more and more I think about it and read your guys responses, I think I will give up on the idea of having the urinal. Maybe one day when I build a shop on my property I will do it right with plumbing from the beginning. So if there are any michiganders in need of a urinal, I have one for sale...
Thanks for all of the suggestions and ideas!
Thanks for all of the suggestions and ideas!
FXDawg
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atta boy!
97dynaglide
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How much, and where are you located?
I've been wanting to put one in my garage for a while now. I have a slop/laundry sink in the garage that is tied into the sewer system of the house, it will be a simple job for me to install a urinal with water in my garage.
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I installed a urinal panel out of a smashed port-a-john in the shop at work.
It is just a straight hose (NO Trap) thru the wall out to a creek in the back.
If you are doing it at home Definately bury the line and be sure it drains under the soil !
We have to constantly lime the "drain area" in the summer months due to the smell.
There are 3 guys using it ...Been in place for 16yrs now.
We rinse it with winshield washer fluid after using it as a way to flush it for the next guy.
It is just a straight hose (NO Trap) thru the wall out to a creek in the back.
If you are doing it at home Definately bury the line and be sure it drains under the soil !
We have to constantly lime the "drain area" in the summer months due to the smell.
There are 3 guys using it ...Been in place for 16yrs now.
We rinse it with winshield washer fluid after using it as a way to flush it for the next guy.
coolreed
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Hmmm,...let's see,..what about a Mason Jar? Then you take and dump it in your flower bed to keep the Cats from crapping in your flower beds, if needed.
Otherwise you toss it into the toilet the next trip.
Otherwise you toss it into the toilet the next trip.
Fyrme
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Man, in my house, the toilet is for dropping a Deuce, and the deck is for *******. What can I say, I do my part for the environment by saving water. If you live in an area you can't pee outside, you're likely close enough to walk into your house and use the indoor facilities.
For the suggestion of burying a trash can, just be prepared to fill it in with concrete and cover your tracks when you sell your house. DEQ will have a field day with you. (Pay no attention to that part of my shop build when I get there
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For the suggestion of burying a trash can, just be prepared to fill it in with concrete and cover your tracks when you sell your house. DEQ will have a field day with you. (Pay no attention to that part of my shop build when I get there
)A co-worker and I had a lengthy discussion about this some months back. I have a detached garage in the city and now plumbing running to it. I don't like to go in the hosue with dirty hands to take a leak and get sick of ******* in bottles only to forget about them for a week.
We came up with a pretty interesting idea to make a sink/ urinal combo with a large 55 gallon tank for storage of water. The kicker is that you filter your piss through a series of charcoal, sand and river rock then let it collect in the storage contaner (55 gallon drum on side).
The 55 gallon drum is subdivided between "waste" and "clean" water. Basically, run the system with some clear plastic tube mounted to the side as a level indicator for a month to see where all of the different chemicals (water, grease, oil, piss) seperate in the container, then tap off of it where all of the water settles. This feeds the "clean" water storage which is again filtered.
The idea is that you can piss in the urinal, then wash you hads with that same filtered piss the next day!
Obvious some trial and error will take place and you have to first fill the thing up with a water/ bleach solution to get the water levels up.
The "dirty" storage area (tapped from where you determine the piss, grease and oil settle) get's pumped out every month or so, then top it off with good, clean bleach/ water.
I think it'll work great. A few 120VAC pumps to keep pressure and circulation.
I'll have to draw up the plans and share them.
We came up with a pretty interesting idea to make a sink/ urinal combo with a large 55 gallon tank for storage of water. The kicker is that you filter your piss through a series of charcoal, sand and river rock then let it collect in the storage contaner (55 gallon drum on side).
The 55 gallon drum is subdivided between "waste" and "clean" water. Basically, run the system with some clear plastic tube mounted to the side as a level indicator for a month to see where all of the different chemicals (water, grease, oil, piss) seperate in the container, then tap off of it where all of the water settles. This feeds the "clean" water storage which is again filtered.
The idea is that you can piss in the urinal, then wash you hads with that same filtered piss the next day!
Obvious some trial and error will take place and you have to first fill the thing up with a water/ bleach solution to get the water levels up.
The "dirty" storage area (tapped from where you determine the piss, grease and oil settle) get's pumped out every month or so, then top it off with good, clean bleach/ water.
I think it'll work great. A few 120VAC pumps to keep pressure and circulation.
I'll have to draw up the plans and share them.
Fyrme
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A co-worker and I had a lengthy discussion about this some months back. I have a detached garage in the city and now plumbing running to it. I don't like to go in the hosue with dirty hands to take a leak and get sick of ******* in bottles only to forget about them for a week.
We came up with a pretty interesting idea to make a sink/ urinal combo with a large 55 gallon tank for storage of water. The kicker is that you filter your piss through a series of charcoal, sand and river rock then let it collect in the storage contaner (55 gallon drum on side).
The 55 gallon drum is subdivided between "waste" and "clean" water. Basically, run the system with some clear plastic tube mounted to the side as a level indicator for a month to see where all of the different chemicals (water, grease, oil, piss) seperate in the container, then tap off of it where all of the water settles. This feeds the "clean" water storage which is again filtered.
The idea is that you can piss in the urinal, then wash you hads with that same filtered piss the next day!
Obvious some trial and error will take place and you have to first fill the thing up with a water/ bleach solution to get the water levels up.
The "dirty" storage area (tapped from where you determine the piss, grease and oil settle) get's pumped out every month or so, then top it off with good, clean bleach/ water.
I think it'll work great. A few 120VAC pumps to keep pressure and circulation.
I'll have to draw up the plans and share them.
Or.......plant some shrubs outside your door and pee outside. Lol. I've had a couple Crown's and Captian's tonight so maybe I'm jus thinking a little too much on the simple side of things.
wrench
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Man,you guys must produce a lot of urine to even consider wasting garage space on a urinal system.We had a funnel and a chunk of heater hose running out the back wall of the old race car garage.We ran a lot of beer through that pisser.My buddy has a 5 gallon bucket and a jug of dollar store bleach back in the corner of his garage. I still preferred the funnel system.I am no scientist,but I really don't think we caused any environmental damage using this setup.
Yep, I remember the "piss tubes" over in Kuwait. They were 155mm powder canisters welded together set in the ground. They filled partially with some charcoal.
Lippyp
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You could build a proper vintage "Grandpas outhouse" style outside thunderbox! Little wooden shack, big pit, wooden box with a hole in the top over the pit, lid over the hole to keep the flies down, cut up squares of newspaper on a nail for paper! I belive it is also the done thing to keep an old shotgun in there for entertainment purposes when having a pooh with the door open!
When I was in the cub scouts back in the mid 70's we used to go potholing (spelunking) near Wales, we used to stay in the garden of this crazy old ****** known by all as Sparky, his house was mad, he had a gas cooker from the 1930's, lighting it involved a wax taper on a broom handle as it basically used to explode in a fireball rather than light, the stairs had burned down one night after an unfortunate incident involving a charging caving lamp so he had an old wooden box and an oil drum to get upstairs and about 100 chickens, the head cockerel was a massive light sussex called Big Head and he liked nothing better than pecking the back of scrawny ten year old cubs knees! The chickens would just wander in and out of the house and at night we'd be woken up by weird music floating out of the woods as he had speakers strung up to keep the foxes off his chickens and had an old radio tuned in to something like Radio Peru! ****** amazing caver though with the discovery of several new cave systems to his name and an ex mental health nurse which might be why he was more than a little bonkers himself!
His toilet was exactly as I described above, a little wooden shack down the garden over a big pit, four inch squares of "The Sun" on a nail for paper so you came home with a black **** as the print used to come off on your ****. You were also only allowed to **** in it, any solo ******* had to be carried out against the hedge over the other side of the track as ******* in his thunderbox filled it up too quickly! In the summer though it didn't pay to linger as it got shall we say a little fragrant in there when it warmed up! I think it actually had a stable door on it so you could have a little privacy from the waist down and still watch the world go by. Anyway, it'd solve the urinal dilemma and give you somewhere to take a dump too!
When I was in the cub scouts back in the mid 70's we used to go potholing (spelunking) near Wales, we used to stay in the garden of this crazy old ****** known by all as Sparky, his house was mad, he had a gas cooker from the 1930's, lighting it involved a wax taper on a broom handle as it basically used to explode in a fireball rather than light, the stairs had burned down one night after an unfortunate incident involving a charging caving lamp so he had an old wooden box and an oil drum to get upstairs and about 100 chickens, the head cockerel was a massive light sussex called Big Head and he liked nothing better than pecking the back of scrawny ten year old cubs knees! The chickens would just wander in and out of the house and at night we'd be woken up by weird music floating out of the woods as he had speakers strung up to keep the foxes off his chickens and had an old radio tuned in to something like Radio Peru! ****** amazing caver though with the discovery of several new cave systems to his name and an ex mental health nurse which might be why he was more than a little bonkers himself!
His toilet was exactly as I described above, a little wooden shack down the garden over a big pit, four inch squares of "The Sun" on a nail for paper so you came home with a black **** as the print used to come off on your ****. You were also only allowed to **** in it, any solo ******* had to be carried out against the hedge over the other side of the track as ******* in his thunderbox filled it up too quickly! In the summer though it didn't pay to linger as it got shall we say a little fragrant in there when it warmed up! I think it actually had a stable door on it so you could have a little privacy from the waist down and still watch the world go by. Anyway, it'd solve the urinal dilemma and give you somewhere to take a dump too!
e-tek
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As usual - being a bunch of Tim-the-Toolman types you're making it much more complicated than it needs to be. I rigged up a funnel that came with a lid, tied into a 2'' PVC pipe that runs out my shop wall to the space between my shop and fence. Between the lid and that it's such a small amount of piss that smell is not an issue. Once in a while I pour a little water water down it - no stink, doesn't freeze. Just leave the pipe a few inches off the ground.
you're making it much more complicated than it needs to be. I rigged up a funnel that came with a lid, tied into a 2'' PVC pipe that runs out my shop wall to the space between my shop and fence. Between the lid and that it's such a small amount of piss that smell is not an issue. Once in a while I pour a little water water down it - no stink, doesn't freeze. Just leave the pipe a few inches off the ground.
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haugy
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My setup is not done yet, but it's easy.
I've got 3" pipe running outside into the ground about 20" deep. It then goes some what sloped downhill for the entire run of the shop. All closed pipe. The last 10' is the PVC with holes on one side(french drain). The holes are facing down so dirt can't collect, but fluid can get out.
That last 10' has about 5" of gravel as well. So it's buried, 30' long, and has gravel drain at the end.
In the shop will be a urinal, with a simple ball valve in line. Need to piss, open valve and go. Throw in a splash of bleach at the end of the night, let it drain, then close valve. No smell to travel back up.
I'm in my shop all the time. So yeah I have to stop and pee alot. Especially if I'm relaxing and drinking beer with some buds or wrenching. I'm also 100' from the house so if it's raining or windy as **** (like now), you don't want to go outside to pee.
I've got 3" pipe running outside into the ground about 20" deep. It then goes some what sloped downhill for the entire run of the shop. All closed pipe. The last 10' is the PVC with holes on one side(french drain). The holes are facing down so dirt can't collect, but fluid can get out.
That last 10' has about 5" of gravel as well. So it's buried, 30' long, and has gravel drain at the end.
In the shop will be a urinal, with a simple ball valve in line. Need to piss, open valve and go. Throw in a splash of bleach at the end of the night, let it drain, then close valve. No smell to travel back up.
I'm in my shop all the time. So yeah I have to stop and pee alot. Especially if I'm relaxing and drinking beer with some buds or wrenching. I'm also 100' from the house so if it's raining or windy as **** (like now), you don't want to go outside to pee.
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Higgins
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You don't want to dilute good Scotch! - LOL! So keep the scotch bottle in the fridge!!
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I got my hands on a nice urinal with a built in trap and rear discharge for my shop. My shop is an earth-contact and will eventually have running water and a tie-in with my main sewer line but for right now it doesn't. Since it's earth-contact and my back yard slopes to the back of the shop, there is a 2'x3' trough that come down from the ground at the back, and runs about 70' through the shop to a storm drain at the end of the drive. My shop is 32'x42' with a 13' ceiling. The back of the shop is my tool room area which is 8'x12' with a load bearing deck above. Here is my plan, tell me what you think.
I have a 55 gal plastic drum that will go up on the deck that will feed water to the flush valve on the urinal. I will stub in a fill tube from the outside wall at the back of the shop to re-fill the barrel when it needs it with a garden hose. The urinal will be mounted to the wall with a sanitary tee that goes down to the drain line and also have a vent stack heading upwards. I live in an area that really doesn't follow codes but I don't really want piss water running into the storm drain, but since I am basically underground I really don't know the best way to "dispose" of the waste water. I could core drill down through the storm drain foundation into earth but that would take some doing I think. Like another poster stated, I'm always in my shop wrenching or tooling, drink a lot of water and beer, and don't want to walk up to the house or go outside. Plus a urinal in the shop would be cool and I have the room. Once I have water and sewer tie-in's the bathroom will be upstairs on the deck (once I raise the truss line, only 5' height clearance right now). I'm doing this on the cheap so any ideas are welcome
Thanks all!!
I have a 55 gal plastic drum that will go up on the deck that will feed water to the flush valve on the urinal. I will stub in a fill tube from the outside wall at the back of the shop to re-fill the barrel when it needs it with a garden hose. The urinal will be mounted to the wall with a sanitary tee that goes down to the drain line and also have a vent stack heading upwards. I live in an area that really doesn't follow codes but I don't really want piss water running into the storm drain, but since I am basically underground I really don't know the best way to "dispose" of the waste water. I could core drill down through the storm drain foundation into earth but that would take some doing I think. Like another poster stated, I'm always in my shop wrenching or tooling, drink a lot of water and beer, and don't want to walk up to the house or go outside. Plus a urinal in the shop would be cool and I have the room. Once I have water and sewer tie-in's the bathroom will be upstairs on the deck (once I raise the truss line, only 5' height clearance right now). I'm doing this on the cheap so any ideas are welcome
Thanks all!!
AndyA
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I just pissed in a waterfree urinal today. It made me think of this thread. The "trap" at the bottom had "falconwaterfree.com" on it. You might get some ideas from them.
From their website I read "lighter than urine liquid" "floats on top". Sounds like it's just a normal trap with oil floating on top. Their trap replacement is a plastic piece. It looks like it had baffles to control any splashing/bubbling. You definitely wouldn't want to disturb the oil on top of yesterday's urine. Don't break the seal!!!!
There was more smell than with a water flushed urinal, but not totally nasty smelling.
From their website I read "lighter than urine liquid" "floats on top". Sounds like it's just a normal trap with oil floating on top. Their trap replacement is a plastic piece. It looks like it had baffles to control any splashing/bubbling. You definitely wouldn't want to disturb the oil on top of yesterday's urine. Don't break the seal!!!!
There was more smell than with a water flushed urinal, but not totally nasty smelling.
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I have had a porcelin urinal in my garage for a couple years now. A round one from a sailboat. I piped it through the wall and into the ground. Dug a four foot hole (below frost line), put a five gallon bucket in there (punched it full of holes first), put drain line into it, filled with 3/4 gravel, then backfilled hole.
Worked great until last fall.
Started draining slower.
Wonder if ground has crystallized.
If so, what can I use to dissolve this?
p.s. - I took drain line off of urinal, made sure urinal piping not clogged (it was ok). And took snake and it was able to go to bottom.
Worked great until last fall.
Started draining slower.
Wonder if ground has crystallized.
If so, what can I use to dissolve this?
p.s. - I took drain line off of urinal, made sure urinal piping not clogged (it was ok). And took snake and it was able to go to bottom.
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stupidcosmoline
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The problem i'm having is the winter. Mine drains through the wall into the ground in a 2" pvc pipe which is 4' long with holes drilled in the bottom of it what ever makes it to the end of that goes into a open bottom 5 gal bucket.....but our ground freezes....and there is a possibility the wife is right that we spend too much time in the shop because last year it backed up.....any ideas other than plumbing the shop?
Danver
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Plant a lemon tree out back.
deepstuff
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Can you sketch this out to ensure we understand the system? Did you find the issue?
raceman6135
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That user made one post, 2 and a half years ago, and hasn't logged in since. I think your chances of getting a reply are slim to none, and slim's left town
cdestuck
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Save your wall space. Get yourself a plastic cup snd piss in that and whip it outside. Easy on the budget.
Dennis Leigh Henry
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Ricky's dad Ray of Trailer Park Boys fame have this down.. Warning: don't play this around the kids or if your sensitive to R rated language...
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Recycle ! 
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Recycle !
Creepy doesn't describe that....
Who needs a urinal. I take 5 steps out the garage door and piss off the drop off at the edge of the drive. That's the beauty of living in the woods with no close neighbors. Don't piss in the same spot all the time or it starts to stink.
finn
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I bought a new-in-the-box urinal from the ReStore store when this thread was new in 2010.
It's a still sitting in the original box.
Guess having a functional urinal hasn't been a high priority.
It's a still sitting in the original box.
Guess having a functional urinal hasn't been a high priority.
LifeLongWNYer
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I have a "lean to" on the side of my garage, under which I park the mowers and tractors. The door to the garage is a triffle high, so I have a short section of a railroad tie outside the door as a step. The neighborhood chipmunks have very thoughtfully dug an entrance hole at the end of the tie.
When I feel the need, I step into the lean to and ( attempt to ) fill the hole. What I deposit quickly disappears, I have no odor problems and it does not appear to bother the chipmunks. ...at least they haven't moved out!
My relationship with the critters has lasted over 20 years, with no complaints. Even from the women of the house, who have NEVER suspected what goes on in the lean to!
JBP
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When I feel the need, I step into the lean to and ( attempt to ) fill the hole. What I deposit quickly disappears, I have no odor problems and it does not appear to bother the chipmunks. ...at least they haven't moved out!
My relationship with the critters has lasted over 20 years, with no complaints. Even from the women of the house, who have NEVER suspected what goes on in the lean to!
JBP
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Here is what I did: https://goo.gl/photos/4yuf5sT7MDPUeTK28
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Use the shop sink. [emoji33]
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RVDan
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What you did was dig up a really old thread.
Crfdell
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And fix your checked tires with some kiwi black?