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HUG Hydronics Radiant In-Floor Heating System???

finn

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I mean there are other reasons to run anti-freeze, like corrosion protection, for example. But also the overall "efficiency" of the system really won't change much. Especially when you consider that the plastic pipe that' surrounding your water is a terrible thermal conductor, as is the concrete/wood/whatever the pipe is inside of.

For your type of system, really the only thing that would happen with an anti-freeze/water mixture is that at a given power input (say 10kW), the boiler outlet temperature would be slightly higher. On in other words, to maintain a certain temperature in the space with a given outdoor temperature, the water loop temperature would need to be slightly higher.

However, the total amount of energy going in/out of the system is still the same. A gas condensing boiler would have a small efficiency penalty with a higher loop temperature, but an electric boiler will not. So in your case, there really should be no consequence at all to adding anti-freeze.
The viscosity of an antifreeze mixture is higher than straight water, so the pump load increases. Small passa in the water heater have to accomodate the higher viscosity too, so pay attentio to what the heater manufacturer says.

Pump manufacturers used to, and probably still publish head curves with different antifreeze concentrations. If not, the antifreeze manufacturer probably does.

I looked into this years ago when I installed my system.
 
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whitecarrera

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I agree with Finn. Adding antifreeze inherently reduces the efficiency of the system and increases the load on components. There's no metal tubing or copper pipe in the system, so no worries about corrosion. The only moving parts are the submersible pumps (inexpensive and readily available) and the heating elements in the tankless heater.

I guess if I were to retire and leave the building unattended in winter, antifreeze would be a good safeguard, but for now I'm sticking with distilled water.
 
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In these radiant floor systems, is there a method to purge the tubing of liquid, if it were to become necessary?
Compressed air to blow it out, followed by antifreeze to dilute any residual water. The system will have both drain and fill valves if designed properly.

At least that’s how both my shop and house systems are set up.
 

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I mean there are other reasons to run anti-freeze, like corrosion protection, for example. But also the overall "efficiency" of the system really won't change much. Especially when you consider that the plastic pipe that' surrounding your water is a terrible thermal conductor, as is the concrete/wood/whatever the pipe is inside of.

For your type of system, really the only thing that would happen with an anti-freeze/water mixture is that at a given power input (say 10kW), the boiler outlet temperature would be slightly higher. On in other words, to maintain a certain temperature in the space with a given outdoor temperature, the water loop temperature would need to be slightly higher.

However, the total amount of energy going in/out of the system is still the same. A gas condensing boiler would have a small efficiency penalty with a higher loop temperature, but an electric boiler will not. So in your case, there really should be no consequence at all to adding anti-freeze.
FYI Boiler antifreeze has to minimum 30% mix for the protection package, with max 50%. Propylene glycol protection package does lose its protection when this happens it can go from good to bad in a short time when that happens the fluid turns acidic.
Cryo tek has a tech line. And sell just the inhibitor. Also there's freeze and slush protection. Slush will give you protection that will not freeze hard and won't break anything in the system.
 
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fitter30

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In these radiant floor systems, is there a method to purge the tubing of liquid, if it were to become necessary?
With this system you won't see a air removel devise because it's a open system. The water gets pumped out of a open tank through the heat loop any air is released when the water gets back to the tank. Water is circulating from tank through boiler back to tank. Post 28 has some pics if you missed them.
 
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