HUGE RECALL- Harbor Freight Jack Stands

[dsaabm]

Hoo-hah, time to stir it up!

This is an easy way to provide you with a bit of additional security for your ratcheting jack-stand. Drill a pair of holes so that a machine screw can go-through just-above the pawl, and effectively lock it in-place. Use a hitch pin through the drilled threaded end of the machine screw to secure it in-place. Now, no-amount of jostling can dislodge your pawl.

....My modification simply prevents movement of the pawl from dropping-off its ratchet tooth.

Your modification does not address the pawl to beam tooth engagement issue that is the issue behind the recall. The stand would still fail like in the video...

The pawl is not being 'jostled' and releasing. Pawl is steady and load on the beam overwhelms the engagement at the tooth.

It is reckless to post this on this thread like it is related to recall reason or some 'fix' for these stands. Your fix does not make them less dangerous.....

This thread should just be a sticky without comments, cause these comments are asinine.

 

[OneDollarSaab]

Chinesium Internet Defense Force has been deployed

 

[ericlar80]

Hoo-hah, time to stir it up!

This is an easy way to provide you with a bit of additional security for your ratcheting jack-stand. Drill a pair of holes so that a machine screw can go-through just-above the pawl, and effectively lock it in-place. Use a hitch pin through the drilled threaded end of the machine screw to secure it in-place. Now, no-amount of jostling can dislodge your pawl.

The Northern Tool (NT) jack-stand has a design where a triangular pin apparently is positioned so in the event of something happening, the slide-in pin will catch a ratchet tooth to prevent a beam collapse. My modification simply prevents movement of the pawl from dropping-off its ratchet tooth.

Quite possibly the worst advice you could give, and actually very irresponsible.

You should not modify a defective design. Doing so places the burden on yourself and not the manufacturer. The right answer is to not buy a defective design and, if you did, stop using the defective item immediately.

 

[driftpin]

Geez guys, every single U-joint per-axle car, which would be what, 5,000,000+ VW air-cooled Beetles, had a 'defective design,' and that's not-even counting the 1960-1964 Corvairs which Ralph Nader labelled, 'unsafe at any-speed.' Better destroy them all, no adding EMPI 'Camber Compensators,' which reduced the tendency of the swing-axle to tuck on a sharp turn. Just like the Ford Explorers, on Firestone tires... . How-many other products are we gonna burn at the stake? Stay-away from my Jarts!

That's where the youtube star shows the teeth profile which are noticeably shallower than the new model from HFT.

My HFT 6-ton stands do-not resemble the 'shallow-tooth' beams, but I am going to return them so I can get new pieces to play-with. Then I'm going to burn my Corvair Monza Spyder convertible, before it kills-me (yes, I once owned one, turbo!).

dsaabm said:
Your modification does not address the pawl to beam tooth engagement issue that is the issue behind the recall. The stand would still fail like in the video...

The pawl is not being 'jostled' and releasing. Pawl is steady and load on the beam overwhelms the engagement at the tooth.

It is reckless to post this on this thread like it is related to recall reason or some 'fix' for these stands. Your fix does not make them less dangerous.....


I've looked-at 'the videos' on-here, and I've seen the obviously shallower teeth on the beam, of-which I posed a screenshot, along with one that doesn't have the 'shallow-tooth defective design.'

As I said, I looked at each of my jack-stands, and none of them have the shallow tooth design.

If the load on the beam overwhelms the engagement at the tooth, it's because of the shallow tooth, and not because of a structural failure of the pawl. The pawl has never been described as being the part causing the voluntary recall, it's the teeth on the beam being too-shallow.

Drilling two holes on the saddle, to place a steel pin, to prevent a properly-fabricated, to-design spec pawl from being able to-move until the pin is withdrawn, does provide a margin of safety not inherent in the design from the factory. Notice we're speaking of properly-manufactured equipment, not one made from worn tooling.

Ford decided that the less-than $5 cost of a gas tank shield on the Pinto was worth its exclusion, from an investment/cost standpoint. In the case of a HFT jack-stand, with properly-formed teeth, adding a machine screw to limit the potential movement of a component, certainly does make it safer. Am I gonna do it? No, I already said multiple times, I was going to return mine for a refund, and source replacements elsewhere. I posted a NAPA unit in the same price-range. Sorry if my comments raised your blood pressure.

 

[ericlar80]

Geez guys, every single U-joint per-axle car, which would be what, 5,000,000+ VW air-cooled Beetles, had a 'defective design,' and that's not-even counting the 1960-1964 Corvairs which Ralph Nader labelled, 'unsafe at any-speed.' Better destroy them all, no adding EMPI 'Camber Compensators,' which reduced the tendency of the swing-axle to tuck on a sharp turn. Just like the Ford Explorers, on Firestone tires... . How-many other products are we gonna burn at the stake? Stay-away from my Jarts!

What does this have to do with a jackstand?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

[WittHay]

Chinesium Internet Defense Force has been deployed

More of the, it all comes from the same factory thinking. If it looks the same, it just has to be the same as the more expensive products

Looked yesterday and the Napa jack stands have serial numbers on them. The OTC actually have year when manufactured, date/month code as well as a serial number on the stand.

Never understood Harbor Freight with the 5 different model numbers for one product. To me that tells me they have 2 or 3 Chinese factories at the ready at all times so that cheap stuff just keeps a rollin in.

Having to recall over a million products because of safety concerns is not good publicity.

 

[dsaabm]

If the load on the beam overwhelms the engagement at the tooth, it's because of the shallow tooth, and not because of a structural failure of the pawl. The pawl has never been described as being the part causing the voluntary recall, it's the teeth on the beam being too-shallow.

Drilling two holes on the saddle, to place a steel pin, to prevent a properly-fabricated, to-design spec pawl from being able to-move until the pin is withdrawn, does provide a margin of safety not inherent in the design from the factory. Notice we're speaking of properly-manufactured equipment, not one made from worn tooling.

Ford decided that the less-than $5 cost of a gas tank shield on the Pinto was worth its exclusion, from an investment/cost standpoint. In the case of a HFT jack-stand, with properly-formed teeth, adding a machine screw to limit the potential movement of a component, certainly does make it safer. Am I gonna do it? No, I already said multiple times, I was going to return mine for a refund, and source replacements elsewhere. I posted a NAPA unit in the same price-range. Sorry if my comments raised your blood pressure.

The pawl to beam tooth engagement is the problem, which yes, includes the beam being out of spec or the pawl or the structure of the stand or some combo of the above.

You could also weld a new in-spec stand to a 12" x 12" 1/4" plate which would improve stability and provide even MORE margin of safety but is this the backyard bob jack stand improvement thread?

 

[M635_Guy]

Y'all remind me to never, ever sit in, ride it or otherwise be around anything driftpin has had his hands on...

 

[driftpin]

Y'all remind me to never, ever sit in, ride it or otherwise be around anything driftpin has had his hands on...

You're welcome to, any-time!

dssabm said:
You could also weld a new in-spec stand to a 12" x 12" 1/4" plate which would improve stability and provide even MORE margin of safety but is this the backyard bob jack stand improvement thread?

I guess you just made it that by your great suggestion! Simply send me $45 to cover shipping and handling, and I'll send you my set of HFT jack-stands, so you can weld-'em-up, and proudly-display them in your very-own thread! But, wait! There's more! Simply pay additional shipping and handling, and receive a second set of HFT jack-stands! Experiment to your heart's content!

I'll be standing over-here, holding your beer...next-to M635_Guy.

What does this have to do with a jackstand?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Simply re-read your first two sentences in your prior post (#163).

Friends don't allow friends to reference Wikipedia, by the way. I realize this isn't higher education, but 'aim-high,' or go-back-to Epoch Times.

 

[mrvm]

Drilling two holes on the saddle, to place a steel pin, to prevent a properly-fabricated, to-design spec pawl from being able to-move until the pin is withdrawn, does provide a margin of safety not inherent in the design from the factory. Notice we're speaking of properly-manufactured equipment, not one made from worn tooling

Currently looking at upgrading my non-recalled jack stands to locking pin type. Most if not all of the affordable imported jack stands are probably made by the same manufacturer with different branding decal/paint. The recalled HF jack stands make me wary of the other brands with a similar ratcheting design. Over the years I've appreciated many good ideas from the GJ to improve a product design, reliability and usefulness such as the repurposing thread or how to make a better whatever. @driftpin provided a possible solution to increase the safety of non-recalled jack stands. Maybe there are other solutions to make these ratcheting jack stands safer. For now I'm relegating my non-recalled jack stands to light-duty use in the lowered position which should not be an issue.

 

[WittHay]

Most if not all of the affordable imported jack stands are probably made by the same manufacturer with different branding decal and paint. The recalled HF jack stands make me wary of the other brands with a similar ratcheting design.

I have always wondered why people say that and how they arrive at that conclusion

My opinion is that Harbor Freight contacted 1 to 3 Chinese companys to make jack stands and stuff them in a container just for the US market. One of these company's had bad equipment in the factory

Until a importer in Australia, Canada or Great Britain reports a problem or recall, this is strictly a Harbor Freight and US market safety issue with over a million stands recalled

I have absolutely no issue working under something supported by a non HF ratcheting jack stand

 

[Bacon!]

@driftpin provided a possible solution to increase the safety of non-recalled jack stands.

Not really, the pawl isn't going to rise on its own with the weight of a vehicle on it, nor if you just bump the lever (IF the jack isn't defective). It'd take a prybar and a deliberate attempt to raise it.

The better place to add a pin, would be about the same location as other jacks with a pin have them. Drill out an undersized hole, file it to a rectangular shape, and grind off a hardened bolt till it matches that shape. You'd just have to be pretty accurate to get the hole right so that your DIY pin engages the teeth well and doesn't fit too loosely in the hole.

 

[M6erfan]

I like my U.S Jack stands. They have a double locking feature where two teeth on the pawl are engaged.

Be safe.

 

[crguy]

Drilling extra holes, or otherwise modifying an already marginal design just weakens it. Nobody should be recommending modifications like that.

 

[Bacon!]

Drilling extra holes, or otherwise modifying an already marginal design just weakens it. Nobody should be recommending modifications like that.

Meh, not really applicable because that's exactly what the factory does (except stamp instead of drill) to make the safety pin version vs non-safety pin. It's otherwise the same. Besides that's not even a weak spot, far sooner you'd have welds fail.

Plus, you threw those words "marginal design" out there when it's not marginal at all. Any non-defective stand of this type is fully capable of supporting the rated load (except really half that, so takes two stands to hold 3 rated tons from most brands) and then some. Millions of people have demonstrated their safe use, for decades.

The design is solid if made properly, even without a safety pin. I have this type of stands, some with and without pins. I don't hesitate to use those without the safety pins, never had any close calls at all.

 

[M635_Guy]

Meh, not really applicable because that's exactly what the factory does (except stamp instead of drill) to make the safety pin version vs non-safety pin. It's otherwise the same. Besides that's not even a weak spot, far sooner you'd have welds fail.

Plus, you threw those words "marginal design" out there when it's not marginal at all. Any non-defective stand of this type is fully capable of supporting the rated load (except really half that, so takes two stands to hold 3 tons from most brands) and then some. Millions of people have demonstrated this for decades. The design is solid if made properly.

...except the factory is hypothetically producing a design that accounts for the fact it will have holes.

Drilling holes in your jack stands with the idea that you're improving safety is stupid.

And not a small amount of stupid.

 

[Bacon!]

...except the factory is hypothetically producing a design that accounts for the fact it will have holes.

Drilling holes in your jack stands with the idea that you're improving safety is stupid.

And not a small amount of stupid.

You must not understand the situation or the design. The factory makes the exact same jack stands with and w/o the safety pins, not some hypothetical design that accounts for the holes. They have no need to, the metal is thick/strong enough and this is proven through testing. If you think you know more than major brand jack stand manufacturers, then I urge you to contact them and tell them that they're doing it wrong (lol).

On some of these exact same jack stands, they put in the additional holes for the safety pins.

Stupid is posting that you think you know something that you don't.

Do go to a store that has both types (of this style) from the same brand, take a caliper with you if you're ambitious and see for yourself. The only difference is they stamp the extra hole.

Plus, you ignored my prior point that it's not a weak area, doesn't really matter because the welds would break first.

 

[M635_Guy]

You must not understand the situation or the design. The factory makes the exact same jack stands with and w/o the safety pins, not some hypothetical design that accounts for the holes. They have no need to, the metal is thick/strong enough and this is proven through testing. If you think you know more than major brand jack stand manufacturers, then I urge you to contact them and tell them that they're doing it wrong (lol).

On some of these exact same jack stands, they put in the additional holes for the safety pins.

Stupid is posting that you think you know something that you don't.

Do go to a store that has both types (of this style) from the same brand, take a caliper with you if you're ambitious and see for yourself. The only difference is they stamp the extra hole.

Plus, you ignored my prior point that it's not a weak area, doesn't really matter because the welds would break first.

Pride goeth before the fall - good luck to you brother

 

[Bacon!]

Pride goeth before the fall - good luck to you brother

You don't need luck nearly as much if you have science, or if you don't want to bother with science, then again I refer to doing your own work, checking out in person the jack stands with the safety pins to see what differences you can find. I have, but have you?

 

[OneDollarSaab]

You're welcome to, any-time!
Friends don't allow friends to reference Wikipedia, by the way. I realize this isn't higher education, but 'aim-high,' or go-back-to Epoch Times.

Wikipedia always relies on primary sources and is more than enough for the layperson to make a point.

 

[FTG-05]

You must not understand the situation or the design. The factory makes the exact same jack stands with and w/o the safety pins, not some hypothetical design that accounts for the holes. They have no need to, the metal is thick/strong enough and this is proven through testing. If you think you know more than major brand jack stand manufacturers, then I urge you to contact them and tell them that they're doing it wrong (lol).

On some of these exact same jack stands, they put in the additional holes for the safety pins.

Stupid is posting that you think you know something that you don't.

Do go to a store that has both types (of this style) from the same brand, take a caliper with you if you're ambitious and see for yourself. The only difference is they stamp the extra hole.

Plus, you ignored my prior point that it's not a weak area, doesn't really matter because the welds would break first.

The Torin 6 ton jack stands I have look just like the HF versions, except mine have the triangular shaped hole for a triangular pin.

Looks like this:

 

[BrandoJames]

You must not understand the situation or the design. The factory makes the exact same jack stands with and w/o the safety pins, not some hypothetical design that accounts for the holes. They have no need to, the metal is thick/strong enough and this is proven through testing…Stupid is posting that you think you know something that you don’t…You don't need luck nearly as much if you have science

Since you “have the science” of these jack stands that you’re going to drill on, then you must understand the manufacturing process that created them. That would include the stamping procedures, machining tolerances, and raw materials used. Why don’t you publish that info right here.

I’m surprised the mods have allowed your posts on this thread, which are dangerous & idiotic. Other members have been banned for much less.

 

[OneDollarSaab]

Since you “have the science” of these jack stands that you’re going to drill on, then you must understand the manufacturing process that created them. That would include the stamping procedures, machining tolerances, and raw materials used. Why don’t you publish that info right here.

If it's the same exact jacks except with extra holes drilled in it, he does have a point.

 

[M635_Guy]

If it's the same exact jacks except with extra holes drilled in it, he does have a point.

"The same" being the critical point there. The likelihood that it's merely a "drill hole here" difference in manufacturing, etc. is extremely unlikely. Given the cost of these things and the variables, physics and personal risk involved here, getting new stands designed and manufactured with pins is the choice to make. Drilling holes and adding pins is stupid and dangerous. Skip a few movie nights and buy some good stands with pins.

For me, I just got some gorilla ramps for oil changes, and I'll use my QuickJack for as much of the rest as possible. My HF stands weren't affected, and I gave them a vigorous shake-test and they're fine, but I'm going to skip some movie-nights myself and pick up a set of Esco stands at some point.

 

[OneDollarSaab]

"The same" being the critical point there. The likelihood that it's merely a "drill hole here" difference in manufacturing, etc. is extremely unlikely. Given the cost of these things and the variables, physics and personal risk involved here, getting new stands designed and manufactured with pins is the choice to make. Drilling holes and adding pins is stupid and dangerous. Skip a few movie nights and buy some good stands with pins.

These are the Chinese we are talking about here. You are almost definitely overthinking it.

 

[M635_Guy]

These are the Chinese we are talking about here. You are almost definitely overthinking it.

Having been to China a couple dozen times and what I've done over the years, I can assure you I have a less-than-casual understanding of what's being discussed here.

Looks the same ≠ same

 

[ajchien]

Having been to China a couple dozen times and what I've done over the years, I can assure you I have a less-than-casual understanding of what's being discussed here.

Looks the same ≠ same

Lol. I have a friend that Shared a story with me about a decade ago, He is an importer of a few Chinese products (not automotive related). His US competitor who imported a product similar to his (from the same factory) went out of business (supposedly due to declining sales). The factory wanted and were insistent on selling his competitors left over inventory to him, relabeled to look like his products. He said he needed to have one of those “WTF meetings” with the factory, and tell them “No. No way. No way in hell. it does not work that way in the US”. So even from the same factory, there can be items that share the same design, but have different components.

 

[OneDollarSaab]

I can assure you I have a less-than-casual understanding

Yeah I believe that.

 

[M635_Guy]

Yeah I believe that.

Honestly, I don't care one way or another what you believe. Some folks actually have careers - lol. In any case, don't be stupid and take a drill to your jack stands.

 

[sgf13]

Re: Harbor Freight recalls Pittsburgh 6 Ton Jack Stands

I have 2 pairs of the defective stands. HF hasn't notified me yet and I no longer have the receipts.

You don't need a receipt unless you want a cash refund. They gave me a gift card in exchange for the two I returned. Oddly I got two 6 ton for Christmas and two 6 ton for my birthday in Jan. They look exactly the same but the Christmas ones were part of the recall and the birthday ones were a completely different number!

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[sgf13]

The gift card can be used later right? Or do I have to spend it right away when I bring mine into the store? I do not need anything right now, except another jack stands. I am looking at Torin and Chicago Pneumatic.



Well... for me, regardless if this is a crazy marketing ploy, or whatever the motive is, I still give credit for the voluntary recall. Many companies have buried much worse problems.

You can use it later.

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[chipjumper]

Re: Harbor Freight recalls Pittsburgh 6 Ton Jack Stands

You don't need a receipt unless you want a cash refund. They gave me a gift card in exchange for the two I returned. Oddly I got two 6 ton for Christmas and two 6 ton for my birthday in Jan. They look exactly the same but the Christmas ones were part of the recall and the birthday ones were a completely different number!

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Were you able to tell them apart in regards to the suspected point of failure?

 

[sgf13]

Re: Harbor Freight recalls Pittsburgh 6 Ton Jack Stands

I only looked them over casually but I didn't notice any difference. There is one thing I did notice when I got the jack stands that were recalled. As with many jackstand when you take them out of the box you have to insert the internal piece with the pawls (teeth). You then bend a tab over that stops that piece from coming back out. When you lift the release lever the piece will drop all the way down flush. With this model it didn't do that. It stayed up about one notch higher and would not drop down all the way like my 30 year old Craftsman and HF stands, and all the others I've used do. I'm not sure if this helps because I'm not sure if this was something you unique to mine but it may be an indicator of that model. I'll check and see if the other model does the same. I can't recall.

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[Bacon!]

Since you “have the science” of these jack stands that you’re going to drill on, then you must understand the manufacturing process that created them. That would include the stamping procedures, machining tolerances, and raw materials used. Why don’t you publish that info right here.

I’m surprised the mods have allowed your posts on this thread, which are dangerous & idiotic. Other members have been banned for much less.

Apparently you think that matters. It doesn't, because they are the same for both the pinned and pinless.

Your ignorance about his does not give you a special wisdom. Your being surprised does not give you a special wisdom. You calling something idiotic because you're too ignorant to realize that it's true, is again, not any kind of special wisdom.

Know what I do when I'm ignorant about something? I don't post. There are many topics, where you won't find my posts.

I'm not compelling anyone to do anything, on the contrary I think a properly manufactured jack stand is safe without the extra safety pin, and the safety pin is not a substitute for that. At the same time it should be recognized for what it is, which is just the same stands with two extra holes stamped in them.

 

[Bacon!]

Having been to China a couple dozen times and what I've done over the years, I can assure you I have a less-than-casual understanding of what's being discussed here.

Looks the same ≠ same

Which is vague. I am talking specifics. For example, previously someone posted a pic of Torin 6 ton, which are made both with and without the safety pin.

These can be directly compared, there is no reason to be vague and try to overgeneralize instead of being exact and specific.

 

[Bacon!]

"The same" being the critical point there. The likelihood that it's merely a "drill hole here" difference in manufacturing, etc. is extremely unlikely.

It's not at all unlikely, rather it is exactly what is happening (except stamped instead of drilled). This isn't gambling on a horse race. The race is over, it is fact.

Given the cost of these things and the variables, physics and personal risk involved here, getting new stands designed and manufactured with pins is the choice to make.

I have never argued that someone should add a pin instead of buying new jack stands. Everyone makes their own choices in life.

Drilling holes and adding pins is stupid and dangerous. Skip a few movie nights and buy some good stands with pins.

An alarmist position sometimes has merit, but other times not so much. Some of us are familiar with metalwork, think nothing of drilling a hole or grabbing a file.

Some people can't use even perfect jack stands safely, but do we cater to this lowest common denominator and state that nobody should use them? Some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time so what about those people?

Clearly, some people have more abilities to do things safely than others. Some of us even buy jack stands to work on our own vehicles too, which definitely isn't "safe" to do if you don't know what you're doing. In this forum you will find members with all kinds of skills that allow them to do things in topic after topic, which require some attention to detail in order to be safe.

For me, I just got some gorilla ramps for oil changes, and I'll use my QuickJack for as much of the rest as possible. My HF stands weren't affected, and I gave them a vigorous shake-test and they're fine, but I'm going to skip some movie-nights myself and pick up a set of Esco stands at some point.

If that's what you feel most comfortable doing, then it was the right decision for you, subjectively, but don't for a second think that others don't have skills that you lack. Personally I wouldn't use HF stands at all, shake-test or not, with some idea that some day you'll get the Esco's, so I can similarly state that you aren't being safe.

Funny how that works, people getting into other peoples' business and not knowing for certain because they don't have the jack stand in front of them to assess.

 

[M635_Guy]

It's not at all unlikely, rather it is exactly what is happening (except stamped instead of drilled). This isn't gambling on a horse race. The race is over, it is fact.

I have never argued that someone should add a pin instead of buying new jack stands. Everyone makes their own choices in life.

An alarmist position sometimes has merit, but other times not so much. Some of us are familiar with metalwork, think nothing of drilling a hole or grabbing a file.

Some people can't use even perfect jack stands safely, but do we cater to this lowest common denominator and state that nobody should use them? Some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time so what about those people?

Clearly, some people have more abilities to do things safely than others. Some of us even buy jack stands to work on our own vehicles too, which definitely isn't "safe" to do if you don't know what you're doing. In this forum you will find members with all kinds of skills that allow them to do things in topic after topic, which require some attention to detail in order to be safe.

If that's what you feel most comfortable doing, then it was the right decision for you, subjectively, but don't for a second think that others don't have skills that you lack. Personally I wouldn't use HF stands at all, shake-test or not, with some idea that some day you'll get the Esco's, so I can similarly state that you aren't being safe.

Funny how that works, people getting into other peoples' business and not knowing for certain because they don't have the jack stand in front of them to assess.

As I said before - Pride goeth before the fall. That's a genuinely strange pile of self-justification and delusion. Happy trails.

 

[BrandoJames]

Apparently you think that matters. It doesn't, because they are the same for both the pinned and pinless.

Let's put it to the test. Contact the company who made your jack stands. Tell them about your little hillbilly engineering project to "improve" their jack stands. They will politely tell you that (1) any warranty is void as soon as your drill bit touches those jack stands and (2) the company is free from any product liability resulting in your injury or death.

Of course you know more about these stands than the company who made them, so why would you even bother contacting them. It's amazing what people will do just to save a few bucks. You're a danger to yourself & others.

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

mock me if you will, i am not buying a hf jack stand, no way! I'm perfectly content to die some other way, just not from a hf jack stand. I mean, i expect my death will be on account of the chinese at some point, but...just not a jack stand, please.

9/5/10

 

[ambenz]

Listen up. The Craftsman jack stand in the top left corner of your pix: throw those stands away. Craftsman jack stand 50163 (4 ton) is the subject of a wrongful death lawsuit (see first link below). .......

Thanks for the heads up!