HVAC replacement proposal

[Bigbandguy]

Since I am completely ignorant on this topic I feel I should ask the experts. I live in a standard 5 over 4 two story house in the South. Our ground floor AC has quit cooling. We have a separate unit for the upstairs which is working well. Downstairs is About 1500 square feet to cool. Does this seem to be a reasonable proposal for replacement?
The old unit is over 20 years of age hence replacing the entire thing.

FURNISH ALL NECESSARY LABOR AND MATERIAL TO INSTALL THE
FOLLOWING:
• York 95% Gas Furnace Model# TM9E060B12MP12
• York Evaporator Coil Model# XAHB24BBAN1
• York 2 Ton 15.5 SEER A/C Condenser Model# YC2F24SB21S
SCOPE OF WORK:
• Removal and Disposal of Existing Gas Furnace and A/C Unit.
• Installation of New Gas Furnace in Existing Location.
• Installation of New Supply and Return Plenums to New Furnace and A/C Coil.
• Reconnection of Existing Vent Piping to New Gas Furnace.
• Connection of Existing Gas Line to New Gas Furnace.
• Connection of Existing Drain Lines to New A/C Coil.
• Installation of New A/C Condenser in Existing Location.
• Provide Necessary Electrical Connections to New Equipment.
• Provide All Local Permits.
• Start-Up and Check System Operation.
2
(7) WARRANTY:
Parts and Labor will be provided to the customer for a period of One year from date of
Start-up of equipment. Functional parts warranty will be provided per manufacturer for a
period of Ten years from date of start-up on Registered Equipment.
(8) We propose to furnish the above material and labor – complete in accordance with the above specifications for the
sum of:
Nine Thousand Eight Hundred Thirty & 00/100 Dollars ($9,830.00)

 

[ybnormal]

Since I am completely ignorant on this topic I feel I should ask the experts. I live in a standard 5 over 4 two story house in the South. Our ground floor AC has quit cooling. We have a separate unit for the upstairs which is working well. Downstairs is About 1500 square feet to cool. Does this seem to be a reasonable proposal for replacement?
The old unit is over 20 years of age hence replacing the entire thing.

FURNISH ALL NECESSARY LABOR AND MATERIAL TO INSTALL THE
FOLLOWING:
• York 95% Gas Furnace Model# TM9E060B12MP12
• York Evaporator Coil Model# XAHB24BBAN1
• York 2 Ton 15.5 SEER A/C Condenser Model# YC2F24SB21S
SCOPE OF WORK:
• Removal and Disposal of Existing Gas Furnace and A/C Unit.
• Installation of New Gas Furnace in Existing Location.
• Installation of New Supply and Return Plenums to New Furnace and A/C Coil.
• Reconnection of Existing Vent Piping to New Gas Furnace.
• Connection of Existing Gas Line to New Gas Furnace.
• Connection of Existing Drain Lines to New A/C Coil.
• Installation of New A/C Condenser in Existing Location.
• Provide Necessary Electrical Connections to New Equipment.
• Provide All Local Permits.
• Start-Up and Check System Operation.
2
(7) WARRANTY:
Parts and Labor will be provided to the customer for a period of One year from date of
Start-up of equipment. Functional parts warranty will be provided per manufacturer for a
period of Ten years from date of start-up on Registered Equipment.
(8) We propose to furnish the above material and labor – complete in accordance with the above specifications for the
sum of:
Nine Thousand Eight Hundred Thirty & 00/100 Dollars ($9,830.00)

don't forget to check and see if you can get a tax credit on it

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[karoc]

Myself that looks reasonable, well written. Guessing old system was also 2 ton, before it went out cooling ok?

 

[cvairwerks]

Two ton might be on the light side. Our house is just over 1600 sqft and the current 3.5 ton system is going to eventually get changed out to a 4 ton. When we replaced the original system, we wanted to go to the 4 ton, but it would have required enough additional work that it would have pushed the cost to over $15K back then. Admittedly, we have needs for a bit more than normal cooling capacity than most people.

 

[gungatim]

No idea what prices are like in N. Carolina, but around here that is a good $4k too high.

 

[Notgrownup]

Since I am completely ignorant on this topic I feel I should ask the experts. I live in a standard 5 over 4 two story house in the South. Our ground floor AC has quit cooling. We have a separate unit for the upstairs which is working well. Downstairs is About 1500 square feet to cool. Does this seem to be a reasonable proposal for replacement?
The old unit is over 20 years of age hence replacing the entire thing.

FURNISH ALL NECESSARY LABOR AND MATERIAL TO INSTALL THE
FOLLOWING:
• York 95% Gas Furnace Model# TM9E060B12MP12
• York Evaporator Coil Model# XAHB24BBAN1
• York 2 Ton 15.5 SEER A/C Condenser Model# YC2F24SB21S
SCOPE OF WORK:
• Removal and Disposal of Existing Gas Furnace and A/C Unit.
• Installation of New Gas Furnace in Existing Location.
• Installation of New Supply and Return Plenums to New Furnace and A/C Coil.
• Reconnection of Existing Vent Piping to New Gas Furnace.
• Connection of Existing Gas Line to New Gas Furnace.
• Connection of Existing Drain Lines to New A/C Coil.
• Installation of New A/C Condenser in Existing Location.
• Provide Necessary Electrical Connections to New Equipment.
• Provide All Local Permits.
• Start-Up and Check System Operation.
2
(7) WARRANTY:
Parts and Labor will be provided to the customer for a period of One year from date of
Start-up of equipment. Functional parts warranty will be provided per manufacturer for a
period of Ten years from date of start-up on Registered Equipment.
(8) We propose to furnish the above material and labor – complete in accordance with the above specifications for the
sum of:
Nine Thousand Eight Hundred Thirty & 00/100 Dollars ($9,830.00)

For NC it sounds right. My boss lives in Union County just outside of Charlotte and paid about that for a 2 story.

 

[danski0224]

You would need to get at least 2 more estimates from local contractors, for similar equipment and scope of work, in order to gauge pricing.

Four Seasons in Chicago will **** er sell you just the outdoor condenser for $10,000.00.

 

[ALinCarolina]

I haven't gotten any quotes lately but from what I hear from folks around here that is pretty much in the ballpark.

 

[PopcornSutton]

Does it include new a line set, or will they clean the old lines? Two different refrigerants.

 

[ericm]

Why replace the gas furnace when it's the A/C that's out? What part of the A/C is broken?

I'd suggest a variable output A/C instead of one that's just on or off. Most of the time you don't need full cooling so the on/off unit just comes on and goes off over and over. If there's a lower output for the A/C it can run longer which is more comfortable.

 

[ratflinger]

Is no one's house properly insulated? I live just south of San Antonio, so you know it's hot and humid. Single floor ranch, 2500sqft and it stays comfortable with a 2.5T. This was what was called for in the Manual J and it works. Have the dealer do a Manual J and see what they come up with.

 

[jbltwin1]

Just had 3 ton unit with heat pump, air handler, yada yada. The whole system, $6000.00 even. Done in 6 hours. Hauled the old **** off and I was back to being the cool dude I am!

 

[cvairwerks]

Is no one's house properly insulated? I live just south of San Antonio, so you know it's hot and humid. Single floor ranch, 2500sqft and it stays comfortable with a 2.5T. This was what was called for in the Manual J and it works. Have the dealer do a Manual J and see what they come up with.

Mine is but we have two issues...The west wall of the house is 55 feet of solid brick, with just one window. It's got full sun from essentially noon til sundown. After about 4 pm, you can hold your hand a foot from that wall and feel the heat radiating from it. Outside, at midnight, you can feel the heat radiating off the brickwork still. The second issue is that I have two disabled family members living in this house. When the temp gets above 70, both start having issues. Makes it hard on me, since anything below about 74 is cold to me.

For our installation, moving to a 4 ton unit wil also require a new lineset and changing all the duct work out for adding zone control, and relocating the inside unit.

 

[Wrench97]

1 year of labor warranty seems short to me.

 

[LXCam]

Considering what a couple friends of mine have gone thru the past couple weeks that's a deal. One guy, one 2 ton compressor only replacement - $11K. My other one - 4ton, 100% all new system with 20yr warranty (transferrable) $19K. Phoenix in the summer is the wrong time to need a replacement.

 

[danski0224]

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1 year of labor warranty seems short to me.

That's typical, unless you sign up for a maintenance agreement of some sort (maybe).

 

[Bigbandguy]

Thanks for all the replies and a couple of things on followup. The house about 38 years old and has decent insulation for its age. A previous owner added a lot including some good glass on the afternoon sun side. It is far more efficient than our previous house. Reason for full replacement is that the furnace is about 25 years old. Even though it is working fine, that is getting pretty elderly. We don't mind the all on are all off, once it cools down it stays off for a good while. Unless it is a super hot day, the upstairs unit can carry a good bit of the load so we are not in an emergency while this goes on. We do usually keep a maintenance agreement which is one reason I think our units have lasted so long.

 

[fitter30]

Lines have to be flushed with solvent made for that purpose with nitrogen blown through lines before and after. Pipe covering outside needs to be replaced if in bad condition. One year labor warranty is standard. Make sure to register equipment with manufacturer.

 

[micromind]

Here in western Nevada, that quote would actually be a bit on the low side. I would expect something more like 11K or so.

 

[loganb]

Family member here in Omaha area just had a 3 ton AC unit only replaced for 6 grand. Furnace and air handler were newer so they stayed, condensor had a leak and was 3k to replace it on a 20 ish yr old unit.

 

[ratflinger]

Mine is but we have two issues...The west wall of the house is 55 feet of solid brick, with just one window. It's got full sun from essentially noon til sundown. After about 4 pm, you can hold your hand a foot from that wall and feel the heat radiating from it. Outside, at midnight, you can feel the heat radiating off the brickwork still. The second issue is that I have two disabled family members living in this house. When the temp gets above 70, both start having issues. Makes it hard on me, since anything below about 74 is cold to me.

For our installation, moving to a 4 ton unit wil also require a new lineset and changing all the duct work out for adding zone control, and relocating the inside unit.

Reasonable, just keep track of your indoor humidity, might need a dehumidifier.

 

[ericm]

Thanks for all the replies and a couple of things on followup. The house about 38 years old and has decent insulation for its age. A previous owner added a lot including some good glass on the afternoon sun side. It is far more efficient than our previous house. Reason for full replacement is that the furnace is about 25 years old. Even though it is working fine, that is getting pretty elderly. We don't mind the all on are all off, once it cools down it stays off for a good while. Unless it is a super hot day, the upstairs unit can carry a good bit of the load so we are not in an emergency while this goes on. We do usually keep a maintenance agreement which is one reason I think our units have lasted so long.

25 years explains the new furnace. You will see a benefit from newer technology. I waited three weeks too long to replace our gas furnace. Those were three cold weeks!

I thought I didn't mind the all on/all off A/C until I stayed in a place with a mini split. It's always on just adjusting its output. The temperature stays really even and there's no noise changes from it going on and off.

The HVAC company offered I think a two speed compressor for like $700 more. Or maybe it was an infinitely variable blower instead of the two speed one we have. Whatever it was, I have been wishing I'd spent for it.

 

[pcfithian]

Maybe $3,500 for those parts.

The rest is contractor markup/labor

 

[brewchief]

Price would be right in line in my area in MI, we sold a bunch of York equipment during covid when our main line(Lennox) was not always available. It's been pretty trouble free.

Replacement of both will normally get you a nicer job in the end.

One thing I didn't see is any type of air filter, we always use a thick media filter(typically an Aprilaire 2410 or 2210), the ECM blower motors don't seem to do well with dust, we replace a lot more that others have installed with just a 1" filter then on equipment that we have installed.

 

[cvairwerks]

Reasonable, just keep track of your indoor humidity, might need a dehumidifier.

Other way around....have to run two humidifiers to keep the house humidity higher than if we were living in Vegas....

 

[ratflinger]

Other way around....have to run two humidifiers to keep the house humidity higher than if we were living in Vegas....

Yep, my bad.

 

[Joemctag]

Mine is but we have two issues...The west wall of the house is 55 feet of solid brick, with just one window. It's got full sun from essentially noon til sundown. After about 4 pm, you can hold your hand a foot from that wall and feel the heat radiating from it. Outside, at midnight, you can feel the heat radiating off the brickwork still. The second issue is that I have two disabled family members living in this house. When the temp gets above 70, both start having issues. Makes it hard on me, since anything below about 74 is cold to me.

For our installation, moving to a 4 ton unit wil also require a new lineset and changing all the duct work out for adding zone control, and relocating the inside unit.

I planted grapevines to cover a 30’ Wesr-facing wall. Epoxied in galvanized bolts and strung copper electrical wire to stand about 6” off brick. It’s on the second story above a garage door. Yes it drops grapes and also raccoons when they’re ripe. Not a problem. I used a native grape from here that grows fast and has no pests or other problems. Called Scuppernong.

 

[Joemctag]

I planted grapevines to cover a 30’ Wesr-facing wall. Epoxied in galvanized bolts and strung copper electrical wire to stand about 6” off brick. It’s on the second story above a garage door. Yes it drops grapes and also raccoons when they’re ripe. Not a problem. I used a native grape from here that grows fast and has no pests or other problems. Called Scuppernong.

Also, I think I saw where people in Arizona put up fabric sunshades that hang from the soffit, blocking the sun. Might look into them.

 

[bonneyman]

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