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Subisti

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Hi, I’ve been getting quotes for spray insulation. 30x40x10. First was 2” closed cell for 7k. Second guy recommended a hybrid spray he said it was water permeable and soft to the touch but had the vapor barrier of closed cell. He quoted 7600$ for 3”.

I’ve done some searches and couldn’t find any info on this hybrid foam.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
 
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Hi, I’ve been getting quotes for spray insulation. 30x40x10. First was 2” closed cell for 7k. Second guy recommended a hybrid spray he said it was water permeable and soft to the touch but had the vapor barrier of closed cell. He quoted 7600$ for 3”.

I’ve done some searches and couldn’t find any info on this hybrid foam.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

Sounds like open cell foam to me
 
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I attached the sheets he left me
 

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What's hybrid about it ? info says it's "open foam"

2" of the closed and the 3"of the open has about the same R ..... you need 5" of foam to have full air barrier. If you see in the literature ... it says minimize.

What's your climate and are you doing drywall or covering ?

open done correctly will work .... it has to be thick enough in a cold area. 5"

I always use closed -- no air movement
 

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Since that is open cell foam, it will not be a vapor barrier. You need to decide given your location and hvac being used on the building if you need to worry about that. Open cell foam pricing is about a third to half the cost per board foot of closed cell so not sure he is giving you that good a deal.
 

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I just had 5" open cell sprayed on my walls. Cost $5200 for a 40x64x16. Sprayed right to the metal, then sheathed over it with metal.
 
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I’m in northeast Ohio. Planning on using it as a garage/man cave. Also planning on finishing the walls with steel and wood planks.

Yeah I guess it does say open cell. But when I asked him about it he kept saying it was a hybrid, he kept saying all the benefits of closed without the cost.
Well thanks
 

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IMO 2” closed is the only way to go exterior walls. We did that on my shop. You won’t regret it.
 

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IMO 2” closed is the only way to go exterior walls. We did that on my shop. You won’t regret it.

I was told 2" is good, but if you wanted a vapor barrier it had to be 3" minimum. The additional cost was more than I could afford, not to mention, I skipped the house wrap once I knew I was going with spray foam......and they said with the open cell, I could replace a panel if I needed to......but with closed cell, its not coming off!!

I dont think you can go wrong either way......nothing seals like foam, open or closed. Closed has its advantages, but at a cost. If its not in your budget, I think open cell is the next best option.
 

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I was told 2" is good, but if you wanted a vapor barrier it had to be 3" minimum. The additional cost was more than I could afford, not to mention, I skipped the house wrap once I knew I was going with spray foam......and they said with the open cell, I could replace a panel if I needed to......but with closed cell, its not coming off!!

I don't think you can go wrong either way......nothing seals like foam, open or closed. Closed has its advantages, but at a cost. If its not in your budget, I think open cell is the next best option.

The thickness has to do with condensation .. .not VB with closed.

Open needs 5" for full air sealing --- since air sealing is important in any climate -- you need 5" to get the job done.

At 2" in a cold climate the closed may still be under the dew point on a cold day ... if this is the case water can condense in the wall.

Non of the above has anything to due with the house wrap .... house wrap of some nature needs to be done to protect the sheeting from moisture from the outside.

Simple quality felt paper works great .... unfortunately the stuff from the bog box stores is not traditional felt and is junk. Tyvek was introduced to also act as a wind barrier ... this was especially needed in old houses with board sheathing. House wrap is often not done correctly ... this is why many builders are moving to Zip ... Zip has it's own issues IMO

Closed cell is a superior product IMO ---- the open cell guys try everything to make the open seem like it has some advantage. It's cheaper ... that's the advantage In a warm climate with new construction the case for going open and saving some money can be made when doing a huge building ...like a big garage.

When rehabbing w/ 2x4 walls or a new house .... the savings IMO do not add up
in a cold climate
 
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The thickness have to do with condensation ...not VB with closed.

Open needs 5" for full air sealing --- since air sealing is important in any climate -- you need 5" to get the job done.

At 2" in a cold climate the closed may still be under the dew point on a cold day ... if this is the case water can condense in the wall.

Non of the above has anything to due with the house wrap .... house wrap of some nature needs to be done to protect the sheeting from moisture from the outside.

Simple quality felt paper works great .... unfortunately the stuff from the bog box stores is not traditional felt and is junk. Tyvek was introduced to also act as a wind barrier ... this was especially needed in old houses with board sheathing. House wrap is often not done correctly ... this is why many builders are moving to Zip ... Zip has it's own issues IMO

Closed cell is a superior product IMO ---- the open cell guys try everything to make the open seem like it has some advantage. It's cheaper ... that's the advantage In a warm climate with new construction the case for going open and saving some money can be made when doing a huge building ...like a big garage.

When rehabbing w/ 2x4 walls or a new house .... the savings IMO do not add up
in a cold climate

Thats what I meant......got confused LOL! I know I considered 2" closed+batts over it.....and when I priced the batts, he could spray the extra 1" of closed cell for the same or less since they were already there with the equipment.

No doubt, closed cell is better. But for my situation, 5" open cell was within my budget, and I felt it was better than batt insulation, so I went with it. No regrets so far.....but like anything, time will tell!

For what its worth......was gonna cost me $9200 for 3" closed cell vs $5200 for 5" open cell.
 
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