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Hydronic Heat question for house

75gmck25

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Not a garage question, but I know there are some knowlegeable folks here.

I have a gas boiler and cast iron radiator heat in my 1250 sq ft house, and it works well. We are building out a new porch that will add about 300 sq ft of heated area, and to save floor space I would like to use hydronic heat in the floors instead of radiators. Since this is new contruction, my plan to use a product like this one when they frame the and install floor underlayment (this underlayment is thicker than standard OSB or plywood). https://www.warmboard.com/warmboard-s .

The problem I need to solve is that my current system runs at 140 degrees max and is set to 100 degrees minimum. In most cases its more like 135 degrees when heat is going, and it typically drops by about 20 degrees in the return lines. However, in-floor heat needs more like 90-100 degrees, so I will need to zone the system and drop the temps for the new area.

There are zone valves that can recirculate cooler water to drop the temps, but in a closed system I don't know how well they work. I assume you would have to cut off hot water flow to the low temp zone when you hit the set temp (e.g., 100 degrees), and recirculate the water in that lower temp zone until it drops and you need more heat. However, since I only have one thermostat, it seems I may have a problem with temperature imbalance between the high and low temp zones. Maybe I need two thermostats?

Anyone have experience/suggestions about getting a dual temp zone hydronic system to work? I'm in the DC/Northern VA area, where hydronic heat is no longer used very often, so it may be difficult to find a dealer with experience in a dual temp system.

Thanks,

Bruce
 
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brewchief

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I would definitely want separate control over the new area.
You need a mixing valve to maintain a lower temp in the radiant area, by the time you buy a mixing valve, circulators and control relays to do everything you might be better off with a taco x block, it has everything built into one unit.

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Perroflojo

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You can also visit supply house for materials and asked questions about what you trying to do.
Do put separate controls for the new area.
 
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75gmck25

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I used an electric grid in the floor to heat my basement bathroom, and it works okay to make the floor comfortable, but I'm not really impressed by its ability to heat the entire room. However, all of my new build will have good insulation and new windows, so it may not take that much to keep it warm.

During the renovation I need to replace my gas water heater (from 1992, and using a tankless may be a good option for an upgrade. I'm trying to evaluate whether I could use a heat exchanger and hydronic heat along with the tankless water heater to heat the new area, but a reliable setup seems complicated because it has to prioritize the hot water feed (showers vs. heat).

Bruce
 

JWVan

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What about using the existing system return to supply the new area, if this happens to drop the return to low, then have a pipe from supply to the return to temper the return before the water returns to the boiler to insure system functions as originally designed. Do not know how to or what controls are necessary, but you would not be sending 140 degree water when you do not need it and with the setup should minimize the amount of energy used.
 
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