Hypothetical: Why get shed electrical permit?

[reader2580]

If theres no rough in inspection,a final inspection doesnt make sense in most situations.

I only had final inspections on my solar and my whole house generator. I don’t believe a panel replacement would require a rough-in inspection.

 

[Norcal]

Taxes are one reason for permits they don’t want to miss out on revenue, where the inspectors are good I will add safety as well, but safety is supposed to be the primary reason.

 

[like2wheel]

This is very true. 2 months after my pole barn was built, my assessed home value went up the exact value I put on my permit application. Of course, my taxes went up as a result.

Coincidence? I think not.

Same experience.
I wish I had thought that out, my answer would have been different.

 

[reader2580]

This is very true. 2 months after my pole barn was built, my assessed home value went up the exact value I put on my permit application. Of course, my taxes went up as a result.

Coincidence? I think not.

If property taxes in your area are based on market value you should have expected your taxes would go up at some point. Tax assessors routinely look at satellite photos to identify changes to properties that would trigger a new assessment.

 

[johnnyradiant]

This is very true. 2 months after my pole barn was built, my assessed home value went up the exact value I put on my permit application. Of course, my taxes went up as a result.

Coincidence? I think not.

Ha. Yet another conspiracy theorist


It's funny if you dump say $50K into a shop and go to sell an agent or even the buying public will show you that in almost every case you won't see any sort of actual value recouping on that type of investment unless you sell to the supposed small, small group of buyers where that is a primary reason to purchase. Yet the authorities won't skip a beat to tax on full value, like it was part of the actual house or something. If you even went for a property appraisal for a mortgage or loan they wouldn't give you full value on that pole barn either for the same reason an agent will tell you he can'g get you an extra $50k for a $50k barn on the property.

 

[Jim greengo]

Yeah I dunno. I would like to see some examples of this.

Insurance not paying due to negligence. They would never pay. Anything and everything can be blamed on human misstep and error.

 

[Jim greengo]

If property taxes in your area are based on market value you should have expected your taxes would go up at some point. Tax assessors routinely look at satellite photos to identify changes to properties that would trigger a new assessment.

I've yet to see a satellite image of any bodies basement in all my years in the trades.

 

[remagenman]

The problem is this board is available to people worldwide and countries other than the US use 110v and 220v. Many members do not put their location on their profile and then make a thread talking about 110v and 220v.

Then others are left up to guessing whether the OP is in England or the US or somewhere else.

It has happened in the past where someone turned out to be in another country(location was not on profile) and they were using 110v and 220v to describe the situation. several people assumed OP was in US but turned out they werent

Never assume when it comes to electrical.

When it comes to discussing electrical systems on an international board, one should be accurate in their comments...

That is some serious semantics over a common sense term for electrical voltages and I doubt the outlier who lives in Europe is going top see this thread, see the 110v/220v mentioned and just be so confused that they will question life itself?

In all the years I lived in Europe and needed electrical help it was understood what your current country's electrical voltage was and you even understood that when you put an American electrical item into a European socket, them funny holes dont line up! You learn quickly to read the back and see if your product is dual voltage or if you need a transformer.

 

[jask]

I've yet to see a satellite image of any bodies basement in all my years in the trades.

bodies?? in the basement? what are we talking about here?? Jimmy Hoffa??
cereal killers?

 

[Jim greengo]

bodies?? in the basement? what are we talking about here?? Jimmy Hoffa??
cereal killers?

Anybodies,momentary lapse of reason there!
But I haven't seen any satellite images of any dead bodies in a basement either though.

 

[sreeb]

Look in the HD electrical isle. 90% of the stuff there requires a permit to install.... Look at the customers in the isle. Take a guess at the compliance rate.

 

[marineman]

I definitely don't have all the answers and this is only 1 case but I have a 30x40 pole barn on my property that was built without a permit. The property we bought is actually 2 tax parcels and the pole barn is the only building on that parcel. My taxes show their value of the pole barn. The bank that financed our mortgage didn't use the value of the pole barn in their appraisal because it wasn't permitted. State Farm insures the pole barn and everything inside of it. The pole barn doesn't have electric or heat so that could potentially change things.

 

[Rock knocker]

As a matter of fact, you also have to get a permit if you replace more than 3 switches or outlets (here in Washington state) like upgrading from old style switches and plugs to new style decora or whatever.

Actually if you're inspected by L&I, the limit is five in-kind replacements. But if you notice, there really isn't a time frame involved. So do five in February, five in March and five in April and you're golden. Or do them all at once and just fib in the zero point zero zero percent chance you're questioned.

https://www.lni.wa.gov/TradesLicensing/Electrical/BasicElectInstall/PermitBasics/

 

[remagenman]

Permit fee is $100, it's not a matter of affording but what you get for that "inspection".

So I'll get, higher property taxes and a shiny piece of paper and the piece of mind knowing that 20 years from now when I sell the house I can say I was permitted for the shed.

or

Just rip the wire out before I sell and call it a day. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[sberry]

No one will care in 20 years. Make sure the basics are correct, deep enough, gfci, disconnect switch, ground wire continuous. It would pass forensic inspection.

 

[reader2580]

I've yet to see a satellite image of any bodies basement in all my years in the trades.

No, but they can see garages, accessory buildings, decks, pools, and the like that add value.

 

[Jim greengo]

No, but they can see garages, accessory buildings, decks, pools, and the like that add value.

Its kind of hard to hide those kinds of things,I was referring to interior remodels and basement finishes.

 

[jade97]

220, 221, whatever it takes.....

 

[Jim greengo]

220, 221, whatever it takes.....

 

[AntonLargiader]

That is some serious semantics over a common sense term for electrical voltages...

The people who rant about this are only ranting to themselves; they can't change the behavior of new people who show up here. If they read too much into someone casually saying 110 vs. 115 vs. 120 and base detailed advice on that, well, that's just a reading comprehension issue. Give advice based on where someone lives, not what they're used to calling their voltage.

Plenty of older people have said 110 long enough that they have no need or desire to retrain themselves. Doesn't mean they are idiots.

 

[checkthisout]

Permit fee is $100, it's not a matter of affording but what you get for that "inspection".

So I'll get, higher property taxes and a shiny piece of paper and the piece of mind knowing that 20 years from now when I sell the house I can say I was permitted for the shed.

or

Just rip the wire out before I sell and call it a day. Hmmmmmmm.

Electrical permits do not affect value in Wa

 

[sberry]

The people who rant about this are only ranting to themselves; they can't change the behavior of new people who show up here. If they read too much into someone casually saying 110 vs. 115 vs. 120 and base detailed advice on that, well, that's just a reading comprehension issue. Give advice based on where someone lives, not what they're used to calling their voltage.

They are usually here to learn. Learning the correct term is part of it. Learning the correct name of the tools is another.

 

[alfredeneuman]

^^^^^^ this^^^^^

 

[checkthisout]

I've lost track of the amount of times I've smoked a 110v appliance by thoughtlessly plugging it into a 120v outlet

 

[Mr. T]

I've lost track of the amount of times I've smoked a 110v appliance by thoughtlessly plugging it into a 120v outlet

Funny thing is, a lot of appliances actually ARE rated 110V or 220V. Not because they aren’t meant to be used on 120V or 240V sources, but because they can handle an imperfect supply voltage.

 

[alfredeneuman]

220 is 10% lower than 240, 110 is almost 9% lower than 120. If you use these as a base figure for calculations all your figures will be off including (but not limited to) simple load calcs and voltage drop calcs. Accuracy is important.

 

[jask]

.... quick! what is your current P.F. at your meter? has it been the same all day??? what about when your freezer fires up!!? how accurate do you need to be?? is anything in your home that sensitive to V fluctuations?

 

[mm08822]

I've lost track of the amount of times I've smoked a 110v appliance by thoughtlessly plugging it into a 120v outlet

I'm betting you have a big pile of nothing to show for all that thoughtlessness as well.