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I can't believe I just did that... ordered from Harbor Freight

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So earlier today I was kind of hard on the HF oscillating tool in a post on TG, and a few comments convinced me that I was unfairly too critical of it.

So... I check online, and it's $20. Less a 20% coupon, and it's $16. Add on a free little digital multimeter (even though I have 2 Extechs), = $23 and change including shipping and tax.

I half expect a phone call from the credit card company asking if my card has been stolen since they're seeing some unusual activity.
 
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they converted you too??....
No. I'm doing this in the name of tool science, lol.

Realistically, I see Harbor Freight doing a massive marketing push. They have ads everywhere, coupons everywhere, and they're really trying to push into social media channels as well. People are curious if they're good or not, and, although I'm biased, I'm going to have to check 'em out sooner or later.

Still, I really can't believe I actually went through with it. It should arrive in 5-7 days.
 

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i have the better model. the one with variable speed. it works great. beware, the blades for them are kind of expensive. but when you need it, it is nearly priceless.
 

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i have the better model. the one with variable speed. it works great. beware, the blades for them are kind of expensive. but when you need it, it is nearly priceless.

blades are still half the price of any other models tho,and yes they are priceless for 80% of the times i need it
 

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It was easy for me. they have a store a 5 min walk away from my house. I don't get much there, as a lot of it is pretty inferior, but they also have some decent stuff and some really good stuff.

Most of the import stuff is gradually rising in quality, as they learn and improve tooling and QC.

Its like Japanese stuff in the 50's and 60's - some was god awful, and gradually it improved.

All things being equal I'd rather buy American though...
 

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That multimeter is worth every penny... of $2.95. Best thing I can say for it is when I accidentally fry it on a live circuit, I won't care. I'll just get another one out of my stockpile.
 

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I bought the Meguiar's clay bar kit @ Harbor Freight today, was on sale and with 20% off I got it for around $13 IIRC. Made in the US (has to be one of the only things in there) and even a few bucks cheaper than Amazon. It's not all junk there.
 
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It doesn't matter if QC is getting better if a tool is roughly copied without in-house engineers to refine the tool designs.
 

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Hopefully you don't get sent to the ER! HF power tools scare me... Will be nice to see someone put it up on the chopping block though. :)

Oh- Was their any word on the Craftsman Ratchet? So I know when to keep a eye on the mail box? :)
 

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Stuey,
I'm pretty sure I posted on this in the Horrible Fright thread. It's a definite pass. Lube it and check the brushes for a disconnect if it ever just stops. I got the Bosch adapter for it that allows you to use virtually all brands of cutters with it. I've used it professionally with no fail. Works great. JimDon
 

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It's too bad that companies like h.f. aren't charged per pound for all their **** that finds it's way to a landfill. Disposable tools are such a waste of money and natural resources.
 

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I like HF for a lot of things...but that oscillating tool is ****.

I burned 2 of them out in the same day. First one just cut out after about an hour of use. I think it over heated. So took that back and warrantied it. New one lost 80% of its power after about 15 min. Was using it for sanding, ended up doing the rest by hand.
 

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Mine works fine but has always run a little hot. I've had it almost 2 years and I expect it to burst into flames someday. I'll buy another one.
 

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wait did I miss something? You run a tool site that gives reviews of tools and you make a comment about a tool with no actual experience with the product?

Do you do all your tool reviews this way? For example when you did the review on the Bosch table saw did you actually use it, or are those photos from the Bosch tool site and you are just telling the readers what you think based on Bosch marketing materials?

It is your site and you can do what you want but I expect a tool review guy to actually use the tool before they endorse it, condemn it or even rate it.

I find it disturbing that you would even mention a tool that you have not had your hands on.

As for the HF Oscillating tool, I own one. I am not a professional tradesman but I do a lot of work in my shop on cars and woodworking. I have owned this tool for 2 years and it has performed flawlessly for me. For the price it is a great tool. I think you will be surprised when you actually get your hands on one. A lot of stuff at HF is junk but this thing is a pretty solid tool.
 
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Hopefully you don't get sent to the ER! HF power tools scare me... Will be nice to see someone put it up on the chopping block though. :)

Oh- Was their any word on the Craftsman Ratchet? So I know when to keep a eye on the mail box? :)
I hope to have it sent out this week. I haven't had a chance to head out to the post office during business hours. I tried to make it yesterday but got held up renewing my license for longer than anticipated. Thanks for your patience, and sorry for the delay.

wait did I miss something? You run a tool site that gives reviews of tools and you make a comment about a tool with no actual experience with the product?

Do you do all your tool reviews this way? For example when you did the review on the Bosch table saw did you actually use it, or are those photos from the Bosch tool site and you are just telling the readers what you think based on Bosch marketing materials?

It is your site and you can do what you want but I expect a tool review guy to actually use the tool before they endorse it, condemn it or even rate it.

I find it disturbing that you would even mention a tool that you have not had your hands on.

As for the HF Oscillating tool, I own one. I am not a professional tradesman but I do a lot of work in my shop on cars and woodworking. I have owned this tool for 2 years and it has performed flawlessly for me. For the price it is a great tool. I think you will be surprised when you actually get your hands on one. A lot of stuff at HF is junk but this thing is a pretty solid tool.
Did you read what I said, or did you only look at the pictures?

Did I ever say that my experience with the HF multi-tool was firsthand? No, I said I am inclined to distrust cheap tools based on many previous experiences and that I've received a lot of user feedback recently with people on both sides of the fence.

I am heavily distrustful of tools that cost less than the sum of their parts should realistically cost.

Right now the common criticism is "don't knock it until you've tried it", so, I'll give it a fair try. I think I'm also going to bring an impartial colleague into the mix.

And you've got to relax. I have already admitted I may have been too harsh, and so now I'm doing what I probably should have done in the first place. I won't edit the post b/c that's not right, and I won't take it down b/c I think the comments and counterpoints are extremely valuable.

My review/testing methods vary, but I put a lot of work into each review. Some tools are easy to judge right off the bat (such as the Channellock ratcheting drivers), while others like the Bosch table saw take an incredible amount of time and effort. Your suggestion that I snag a few marketing photos and churn out baseless content haphazardly is pretty damn offensive. I take pride in the level of detail and attention I put into my reviews. If all a review required was a few stock photos and generic descriptions, I'd roll out 10 per day.
 
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trying to **** on stuey, not cool.

stuey, nice response.

I can see both sides to a degree, and I don't see the Uncle Joe's comments as "crapping" on Stuey. He called him on a common journalistic practice that is questionable at best. Good for Stuey for making the effort to correct what he saw as a less than substantiated view.

There are far too many so called journalists that want to "play god", make pronouncements, and take sides, and the result is all too often to grind a political ax and slant stories to support a view whether it has merit or not.

I'm not aiming these comments at Stuey in particular. we have a terrible void after the retirement and death of "Uncle Walter" (Cronkite) and his era of much better journalistic competence and reporting. There is a reason most people largely ignore the news media these days, and when we do listen, it is with a jaundiced eye...

I believe ALL journalists of every stripe owe it to their readers/viewers to get the bar back were it was. yes, I know it wasn't perfect back then, but it was nirvana compared to the journalistic cesspool we have today...
 

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Wow! At first I wanted to say, "Who are you and are we going to find Stuey in a dumpster somewhere?" But now I'm looking forward to the info.
 

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Stuey; All I did was ask if this was a common practice of yours to judge a tool without using it. You answered that it was not your common practice and I am glad. I think you provide a valuable service and I have enjoyed reading your reviews. Based on all the reviews I have read in the past that you wrote I was surprised that you would even comment on any tool without using it.

To SK Farmer I was not trying to **** on Stuey. I asked what I feel was a legitimate question. A lot of folks rely on his reviews to make purchase decisions.

If a tool reviewer states that based on past experience he is not going to comment on brand x tools then I am fine with that, he makes no comment. To me the issue here is that a reviewer made a comment with no actual experience with that particular product. I would be just as concerned if a tool reviewer said that the Snap-On ratchet was too expensive and not worth the money and had never even tried one, Wouldn't you?

By the very definition a tool review should be based on hands on experience with the tool. From what I ave read of Stuey's previous reviews it looks like that is what he does. That is why it came as a shock that he even commented on a tool without using it.

SK Farmer, I ask you; if you were in the market for a new tool, let's say a welder, and after reading a review you found that the author had not even touched the product he was reviewing how would you feel?

Stuey does good work and that is why I was surprised that he made a comment about something without using it.
 

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Good for Stuey for making the effort to correct what he saw as a less than substantiated view.



:+1:

There are far too many so called journalists that want to "play god", make pronouncements, and take sides, and the result is all too often to grind a political ax and slant stories to support a view whether it has merit or not.

:+1:

... we have a terrible void after the retirement and death of "Uncle Walter" (Cronkite) and his era of much better journalistic competence and reporting. I believe ALL journalists of every stripe owe it to their readers/viewers to get the bar back were it was. yes, I know it wasn't perfect back then, but it was nirvana compared to the journalistic cesspool we have today...


:beer:
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FWIW,
Carl B.
 
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Stuey; All I did was ask if this was a common practice of yours to judge a tool without using it. You answered that it was not your common practice and I am glad. I think you provide a valuable service and I have enjoyed reading your reviews. Based on all the reviews I have read in the past that you wrote I was surprised that you would even comment on any tool without using it.

To SK Farmer I was not trying to **** on Stuey. I asked what I feel was a legitimate question. A lot of folks rely on his reviews to make purchase decisions.

If a tool reviewer states that based on past experience he is not going to comment on brand x tools then I am fine with that, he makes no comment. To me the issue here is that a reviewer made a comment with no actual experience with that particular product. I would be just as concerned if a tool reviewer said that the Snap-On ratchet was too expensive and not worth the money and had never even tried one, Wouldn't you?

By the very definition a tool review should be based on hands on experience with the tool. From what I ave read of Stuey's previous reviews it looks like that is what he does. That is why it came as a shock that he even commented on a tool without using it.

SK Farmer, I ask you; if you were in the market for a new tool, let's say a welder, and after reading a review you found that the author had not even touched the product he was reviewing how would you feel?

Stuey does good work and that is why I was surprised that he made a comment about something without using it.

I do get your points, I'm just a little defense of the usual care I take in writing things up.

I really tried to make it clear that my opinions were pure opinions and not based on firsthand experience with the specific tool or group of tools. But in the end, it did fall a bit short of my original intent. Or maybe it didn't? I learned something (or rather a few things), so my objective was at least partially satisfied.

I normally try to be as objective and impartial as I can, and have found that it is often easy to do so. But in this case, bittered by past experiences, skeptical based on what I can see on-paper, and hesitant due to quite a few negative accounts, I am evidently far more biased than I realized.

While much of my content is written to help, imform, or entertain others, occasionally I post about something as a way to think aloud.

I'm not sure why, but a lot of people contact me as if I were customer service for Harbor Freight, Craftsman, Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, or any number of tool brand. As such, I recieve a LOT of random complaints.

I see some people complaining about their self-destructing HF multi-tools, and then on the other hand I see HF pushing forward with a YouTube video describing it as a professional tool.

I have the chance every now and then to talk to the engineers who take part in designing a brands' hand or power tools, or others closely familiar with said tools, and they are quite insightful. For copycat companies to take a $4 motor, $4 case, and $4 in electronics, and call it a professional tool equivalent to costlier competing models, I can't help but know that they won't be equivalent. But everyone is right in that, this shouldn't be emphasized over real-world results.

I can't say that I won't discuss pure opinions again in the future, but I will try to be a bit gentler and at least include a more objective assessment to balance things out.

In terms of HF, I have already realized that they are building momentum and cannot be stopped. I don't have the time, resources, or interest to test a lot of their power or hand tools, but I will make an effort to at least check out their most popular ones that most would be interested in reading about.

Sorry again for disappointing you (and others who were surprised by the post).
 
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I can tell you from personal experience they work fine, but the blades don't last long. My wife and I have rental properties and do nearly all the work ourselves. We use the HF oscillating tools whenever we can. I dropped one and it quit working. When I took it apart, the plastic brush holder had broken. I could have epoxied it, but for $25 (at the time), I bought a new one that came with new blades - about what a new new set of blades and sanding attachments would cost. Yes, the head seems to run kinda warm. I usually only have to run mine a minute or two at a time. I don't do much sanding with it as I also have detail & random orbit sanders that seem to work better (more power???).
 

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surely, HF would have delivered your order by this time! So where is your review of those "garbage tools"?
 
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It arrived, but I haven't tried it out yet. it came with one blade, and so I'll have to wait until I need to use a flush-cutter and then will do a side-to-side comparison.

It also smells funny, but I assume that's the PVC of the power cord outgassing.
 

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Didn't you get all those blade freebie? If I am not mistaken, those tips came from this forum! I have at least couple, one from Bosch and the other I don't remember. I believe they fit HF.

- Vikas
 
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Didn't you get all those blade freebie? If I am not mistaken, those tips came from this forum! I have at least couple, one from Bosch and the other I don't remember. I believe they fit HF.

- Vikas
I think that even if they don't fit I may have an adapter somewhere to make 'em fit.

I also have a few Bosch blades somewhere around here, but haven't seen the bundle in a few months, been meaning to look for it.
 

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I bought one of these (cheaper than driving to the shop). Not the worst tool purchase I have made. It seems to me that HF followed the Fein model (overcharge for the tool, WAAAAAY overcharge for the tooling), remember these tools are grinders without a gear. Both have abysmal tool life for extortion-level price. I use this type of tool nearly every day. I have also made tool and tooling, so when the sales guy at Woodcraft said that the high prices ($60 per job) of Fein tooling (hit 1 nail it turns into garbage) I as a contractor should build it into the bid. Anybody wondering why contractors are expensive?
Fine Homebuilding Magazine just had an article testing the tooling, Bosch was one of the best performers, best value. HF wasn't tested.
 

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The only time I've seen Harbor Freight's Chicago Electric tools used professionally was by the drywall guys on the last season of This Old House when they were in Los Angeles. They halfassed an arched doorway with their Multimaster knockoff and a Rotozip knockoff, with a tape seam in the middle of the arch, IIRC.

Contractors around here seem to prefer the Rockwell over other makes.

I think Stuey's a fine gentleman, and I'm not ashamed to say it.
 
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Stuey, keep doing what you do, i appreciate it and have been a fan for well over a year at this point. As well, i have benefited from more then one of your hot tool index items that i never would have come across if it was not for your dedication to the tool world and the tool addicted here at the garagejournal.:thumbup:
Keep up the good work and you have handled yourself very admirably in this thread.
 
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The only time I've seen Harbor Freight's Chicago Electric tools used professionally was by the drywall guys on the last season of This Old House when they were in Los Angeles. They halfassed an arched doorway with their Multimaster knockoff and a Rotozip knockoff, with a tape seam in the middle of the arch, IIRC.

Contractors around here seem to prefer the Rockwell over other makes.

I think Stuey's a fine gentleman, and I'm not ashamed to say it.

Rockwell's Sonicrafter is still a very nice tool, but seems to have lost much of its market share now that many other brands offer more updated designs.

On the other hand, Rockwell is really pushing into the B&M retail market these days, with an entire endcap devoted to them at all the Lowes I've been too recently.

Fine gentleman? :beer:

Stuey, keep doing what you do, i appreciate it and have been a fan for well over a year at this point. As well, i have benefited from more then one of your hot tool index items that i never would have come across if it was not for your dedication to the tool world and the tool addicted here at the garagejournal.:thumbup:
Keep up the good work and you have handled yourself very admirably in this thread.

Thanks for the kind words! I'll certainly keep trying to do my best!
 

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The last harbor freight power tool I had caught fire and melted pretty bad so that kind of killed them for me. I hope you have better luck.
 
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