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I challenge you with a peculiar motion sensor issue

Falcon67

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Before I go get a better one anyway. You'll like this. I have 3 Heath-Zeinth motion lights on the shop. They are on a common wire run, wired in parallel, controlled by a single switch. One of these puppies has picked up a strange problem. If the lights lose power at night, or I switch them off and back on later, this one unit starts to cycle on and off every 30 seconds or so. Does not matter how long they are off - minute, hour, etc. To "fix" it, you leave the lights off until daylight, then turn them on. All fine in operation after that unless the circuit loses power. Switching during daylight has no effect. Sensor points out into an open area - no night triggers like branches, hot walls, dogs or other activity. In fact, one sensor on another light has to shoot around a gutter down pipe and it works fine. Sensitivity setting and time on changes have made no difference.

I thought this was temp related since I first noticed this light doing the trick in the summer, when it was still 90s at night. It's be hot enough at night that the sensors would not work because they could not see body heat against the background heat. But we lost power the other night when the cold front came through and it was 62F when that happened. When the power came back on about 20 minutes later (this was around 5am) the light started it's cycle. It might still be heat related since the wall just behind and going away from the light is the one we just painted to lower the wall temp from 180F. The sensor is close enough that the radiant heat could possibly be cooking the sensor.

Also done all the normal checks for voltage at the fixtures, etc. This one happens to be the first one on the wire run. The circuit is Light 2, which also supplies the work room ceiling light power.


Bonus - this is the second light in the same position that has started this nonsense. Which again could be a cooked sensor thanks to localized heating. It's the only light with west sun exposure.

The only thing I haven't done is something I just thought about - to cover half the sensor. The sensor can "see" the window of the dining room at about a 45 degree angle. The window is dark at night and the blinds closed. I've tested with the dining table light on and the blinds open, and the other way - no effect. These sensors see heat, so I can't see how a dark window could simulate a heat source, but who knows.

I'm thinking cheap azz light/sensor and will shop for a better quality light when I get a chance. If you can think of something I haven't tried, I'll try it!
 
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I have a motion light that does the same thing. It's a unit that uses halogen bulbs. If the power goes out while it's dark and comes back on while it's dark the damn light will keep cycling on and off about every 30 seconds. It doesn't do this if the power comes back on when it's daylight. The unit has some kind of electronics that make the light come on slowly to save the halogen bulbs so it must cause some whackyness with the unit if power is lost and regained while it's dark.

Edit: Just checked and the light is a Heath Zenith.
 
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Falcon67

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ah-HA. I think I did use halogen's in these things. I need to pick up some bulbs anyway, I noticed this evening that one bulb has water in it.
 

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I have the heath units that go to half power after a time, Dual Bright, I think. One of them will go into a blinking mode also. I just turn off the power for a couple of days as I've not had the time to trouble shoot it. I got a second one a year later of the same model and it has the slow start pattern p describes but it does not blink (yet).

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Ironhorse

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It sounds like your photo eye not the motion sensor, you light is reflecting off something giving it a false daylight read..so it shuts off...yes half tape or hood might do the trick.
 
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These are the cheap ones, should not have a photo eye only motion. But, who knows what's really in the sensor. I guess they have to have something to tell when it's daylight. If there is, neither of the lights points in the direction of a reflective surface. One points (looking from behind the sensor) down and left where there is mostly dirt. The other points back right along the wall leading away.

I have one 60w "real" bulb, so next time I get by Lowes I will snag a couple of regular floods and see if that changes anything. Still not opposed to just tossing it over the back fence in to the alley and letting the neighborhood children run over it with their 4 wheelers :lol:
 
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Falcon67

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Haven't gotten anywhere with this yet - too busy since it's homecoming week. I do know two things for sure: 1) there is no motion sensor in the device because I put a flag pole well inside the sensor range (like 6 ' from it) and the flag flapping at night doesn't trigger the sensor and 2) Nobody seems to sell a non-halogen flood anymore. So I'll have to test it with regular bulbs when I get a chance.
 

SSAAHemiFan

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Had issues with Heath - Zenith fixtures myself. Basically you need to use incandescent bulbs - no halogen

Also they have a lifetime warranty - Zenith replaced a sensor for me quickly without issue
 
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