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I have a real chipmunk/squirrel problem - Need advice

b-boy

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I have a bad squirrel/chipmunk problem in my crawlspace.

I have an old house that sits on a basement with a partial crawlspace. The original house is 30'X30', but there is an extra 10'x30' section that was added. Half of the section is an old cistern. It's all concrete, and is an extension of the basement. That area is under the kitchen. My back room sits on a poured concrete foundation wall with a mud floor. There is no concrete floor in the crawlspace. The way the house was built, there is no subfloor. The 1" tongue and groove flooring sits right on the floor joists. Because of this we get a lot of moldy smells coming up through the floor in that room. It also gets very humid under the house, which doesn't help with the mold smell.

To alleviate this, I added an under house dehumidifier, put a vapor barrier down on the mud floor, and had spray foam applied to condition the space. It works pretty well. I can keep the humidity levels down to under 40%. This reduces any moldy smells.

On to my current problem -

When I moved in, squirrels had the run of the crawl space. There was no real door to keep them out. The area was full of nuts and squirrel ****. The prior owner had foam board installed under the floor joists but the squirrels were living in it. They were even getting into my basement through a small window accessing the cistern. They also chewed through some wiring. I went under the floor cleaned it all out, sealed it, rewired, spray foamed, and added a dehumidifier. My problem went away. I spent quite a bit of money doing this.

Since then, I've occasionally had issues with a few animals getting into the space during the Winter. I've religiously tracked down how they've gotten in, and sealed it. They are relentless. They've even tried to chew through the access door I built.

Last Fall I found that they were getting in under some vinyl siding where a pipe was improperly installed. I managed to block that and poured some concrete to keep them from digging under the blocks I'd put in place. I've also put down some poison on occasion, which seems to work for a while.

After I blocked their access, everything was fine until March. I started hearing them in the crawl space again, and it sounded like there was a lot of them. I hurt my foot, so I've been unable to go under the house.

Yesterday I went under the house and found that they were in there and had trashed the place. They burrowed into my spray foam, there are walnut shells everywhere, and they ripped up my vapor barrier. I can see how they got in. They dug under the foundation wall, and came up inside the crawlspace. Since there's no floor, they were able to create a passageway from under my porch right into the crawl space.

First, I'm gong to call an exterminator. I'm done messing with these things myself.

Short of pouring concrete, I'm thinking of getting a few yards of river stone and covering the floor with 4" of the stone. Do you think this might keep them from digging up into the crawlspace?

How would you handle this?
 
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We dug down ~2' and 2' out around the foundation. Installed treated plywood to extend downwards and attached expanded metal down the plywood and out at 90 degrees for 2 feet.
 

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We get a ton of chipmunks every few years, They burrow under our front steps and retaining walls. I set out a Rat traps, the larger black ones like this Rat traps

A little peanut butter and bird seed gets them every time, steak them down.
 

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Here in California you can't kill them without a special permit. However the state has given me one as needed. I find them to be a real pest too. Using traps on the property I manage to catch and then dispatch the most aggressive ones. All holes into the house need to be sealed with strong cage wire. It can also be extended into the ground 24 inches and replaced every 10 years or so as it rusts. If you are in a rural area far enough from your neighbors, with proper permits they can be dispatched with a 22 rifle easily. Keep all food sources off your property. They will chew thru wood too so you just have to be always on alert to trap and dispatch the offenders. Owls and Hawks do a good job of keeping them down a bit if you can get them nesting on your property.
 

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When I had a squirrel problem I found it took 3 generations to get them to forget the nice, warm winter space
it was a 6 year battle
they will chew through sheet metal patches
the peanut butter and baking soda seemed the best treatment
you have to jeep the space well sealed against heat leaks to keep a re-discovery from happening

I adopted a female barn cat to solve my chipmunk problem
she seemed to enjoy the job
I found she kept a eye on the between the floor joist spaces at the foundation in the basement
that had been an entry spot I was unaware of
 

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I had a rodent problem in my crawl space and my bug guys wanted $175 to treat the area around the foundation. Been using the same guy for years and he winked and showed me what they use...something called pro-PELL. Smells a bit like pine sol and has a lot of herbal oils in it that help dissuade critters. I bought some on Amazon and used it to spray the foundation every few months, plus setting a few mouse and rat traps inside near the crawl space doors. Caught four rats in one day. Nothing since. No affiliation with the stuff, but it seems to work. He did say not to use it inside the crawl space because it would create a barrier keeping any rodents currently living inside from leaving.
 
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b-boy

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Sounds like the river stone might not be enough to stop them from getting in. I've read that they don't like to dig through stone, but I'm not sure if that will be enough to deter them.

I've heard about ultrasonic devices too. Anyone ever try one of those? My guess is that they do not work, or will just make my dog go nuts.
 
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I had issues with my pole barn as well. I have a lean-to on one side. The squirrels were able to get above the ceiling of the barn through there. I realized they were in there when I started seeing bits of insulation all over the yard. They were pulling it out for bedding, which means they burrowed through my vent baffles to get into the attic. I bought some heavy chicken wire and built a barrier. So far it's worked.
 
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b-boy

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Biggest issue is all the black walnut trees on my property. There are about 20 of them, plus more on the neighbors property. I have a huge one near the house. It's probably 100+ years old. It doesn't help the situation. It drops nuts every other year. When it's a nut year, I swear every squirrel from 100 miles around shows up in my yard.
 

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That's just unsporting as it's too easy... .177 at 1200fps or .22.

I have a co-worker who makes a great squirrel chili. Course, he's from Louisiana. He shoots 'em, throws them in the freezer till he has a few then cooks them up.

I just patched up some damage for a friend the other day. Boogers chewed through compressor wires on an AC. At least it's not a vehicle wiring harness.
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138 chipmunks in one year . I used the pail trick . 5 gal pail half filled with water with 3 cups of antifreeze. You then put a 1x2 across the top of pail . Then make a 1 x 2 ramp so they can get up . Then put 1” thick topping of sunflower seeds on the water . I have caught 15 in one day . I went to this extreme because they got in my attic and destroyed a lot of stuff . I tried a pellet gun wish I could have used a shotgun.
 

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Scientific wild *** guess............We've had animals digging under our air conditioner pad, a back fence, & a rock wall around a decorative area for years. Tried all kinds of poisons, sprays, filling the holes, bricks in the holes, etc. etc. etc. All to no avail... :( A few months ago my wife read something on the internet that suggested using shredded Irish Spring soap!....:eyecrazy::dunno: Well, we had a bar here, so we shredded it & sprinkled it around the holes.....:dunno: Several months later, & no more digging, no more critters, no more problems! I don't know if it would help your problem, but it'll only cost a bar of soap & a few minutes of time. Might be worth a try..........
 

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I have been dealing with a chipmunk problem around my suburban property for the past 4-5 years. Toasted a few of them in the serp belt of my vehicles when cold starting on a winter's morning, obvious burrows dug around my garage (hole on one side, comes out 22ft diagonally in the back corner, under the concrete floor), burrows in front of the house in the planting area, blah blah blah. Luckily nothing inside.

We have a dog and he has taken out a few himself, but not effective enough to stop them (he's literally too dumb and ends up cutting his snout on the metal downspots he traps them in). Spraying chemicals, odor deterrent, dumping used automotive fluids in their holes, spray foam, etc not working. Come to find out the crazy lady 2 doors down has named them and has taken to hand feeding the bastards whole in shell peanuts, and refuses to repair her dilapidated front porch that houses them too.

I had more than a few beers the other night, ordered about 25 rat traps from amazon, and set 2/3rds of them up in front of the house away from dummy dog's fenced in outside area. Put salted planters peanuts in the traps, and threw a few handfuls around the general area.

Needless to say, 72 hours in, I've gotten 14 of those friggin bastards...and 1 unfortunate gigantor toad who became bird food (RIP). I only had to apply foot pressure to finish the job once to the chipmunks, that was kinda sad. Must keep up on disposing of dead chipmunks as they deter the live ones from being curious and triggering further traps. Literally leave 1 dead one languish for more than an hour or two, you wont catch anything for 12+ hours.

I tried months with the 5 gallon buckets of death and a trap flip lid, and only got a couple chipmunks and 1 idiot sparrow.
 

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I have a bad squirrel/chipmunk problem in my crawlspace.

I have an old house that sits on a basement with a partial crawlspace. The original house is 30'X30', but there is an extra 10'x30' section that was added. Half of the section is an old cistern. It's all concrete, and is an extension of the basement. That area is under the kitchen. My back room sits on a poured concrete foundation wall with a mud floor. There is no concrete floor in the crawlspace. The way the house was built, there is no subfloor. The 1" tongue and groove flooring sits right on the floor joists. Because of this we get a lot of moldy smells coming up through the floor in that room. It also gets very humid under the house, which doesn't help with the mold smell.

To alleviate this, I added an under house dehumidifier, put a vapor barrier down on the mud floor, and had spray foam applied to condition the space. It works pretty well. I can keep the humidity levels down to under 40%. This reduces any moldy smells.

On to my current problem -

When I moved in, squirrels had the run of the crawl space. There was no real door to keep them out. The area was full of nuts and squirrel ****. The prior owner had foam board installed under the floor joists but the squirrels were living in it. They were even getting into my basement through a small window accessing the cistern. They also chewed through some wiring. I went under the floor cleaned it all out, sealed it, rewired, spray foamed, and added a dehumidifier. My problem went away. I spent quite a bit of money doing this.

Since then, I've occasionally had issues with a few animals getting into the space during the Winter. I've religiously tracked down how they've gotten in, and sealed it. They are relentless. They've even tried to chew through the access door I built.

Last Fall I found that they were getting in under some vinyl siding where a pipe was improperly installed. I managed to block that and poured some concrete to keep them from digging under the blocks I'd put in place. I've also put down some poison on occasion, which seems to work for a while.

After I blocked their access, everything was fine until March. I started hearing them in the crawl space again, and it sounded like there was a lot of them. I hurt my foot, so I've been unable to go under the house.

Yesterday I went under the house and found that they were in there and had trashed the place. They burrowed into my spray foam, there are walnut shells everywhere, and they ripped up my vapor barrier. I can see how they got in. They dug under the foundation wall, and came up inside the crawlspace. Since there's no floor, they were able to create a passageway from under my porch right into the crawl space.

First, I'm gong to call an exterminator. I'm done messing with these things myself.

Short of pouring concrete, I'm thinking of getting a few yards of river stone and covering the floor with 4" of the stone. Do you think this might keep them from digging up into the crawlspace?

How would you handle this?
Get a cat…a mean, hungry one.

We had a bad chipmunk problem until a black cat moved into the neighborhood. My shed would become almost unusable by this time of year because of odors emanating from chipmunks living under the shed. Ever since the cat moved into the neighborhood, the chipmonk population has plummeted, as has the field mouse count.

Still have plenty of birds, though.
 

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b-boy

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Scientific wild *** guess............We've had animals digging under our air conditioner pad, a back fence, & a rock wall around a decorative area for years. Tried all kinds of poisons, sprays, filling the holes, bricks in the holes, etc. etc. etc. All to no avail... :( A few months ago my wife read something on the internet that suggested using shredded Irish Spring soap!....:eyecrazy::dunno: Well, we had a bar here, so we shredded it & sprinkled it around the holes.....:dunno: Several months later, & no more digging, no more critters, no more problems! I don't know if it would help your problem, but it'll only cost a bar of soap & a few minutes of time. Might be worth a try..........
I've heard this before. I might give it a try. Can't hurt.
 

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Setup a feeding station with a safe shooting backstop and get yourself a nice air rifle. Then sit back and take care of the population. I did that with the squirrels around my place and it has worked wonders for decreasing the population.
 

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I have a bad squirrel/chipmunk problem in my crawlspace.

I have an old house that sits on a basement with a partial crawlspace. The original house is 30'X30', but there is an extra 10'x30' section that was added. Half of the section is an old cistern. It's all concrete, and is an extension of the basement. That area is under the kitchen. My back room sits on a poured concrete foundation wall with a mud floor. There is no concrete floor in the crawlspace. The way the house was built, there is no subfloor. The 1" tongue and groove flooring sits right on the floor joists. Because of this we get a lot of moldy smells coming up through the floor in that room. It also gets very humid under the house, which doesn't help with the mold smell.

To alleviate this, I added an under house dehumidifier, put a vapor barrier down on the mud floor, and had spray foam applied to condition the space. It works pretty well. I can keep the humidity levels down to under 40%. This reduces any moldy smells.

On to my current problem -

When I moved in, squirrels had the run of the crawl space. There was no real door to keep them out. The area was full of nuts and squirrel ****. The prior owner had foam board installed under the floor joists but the squirrels were living in it. They were even getting into my basement through a small window accessing the cistern. They also chewed through some wiring. I went under the floor cleaned it all out, sealed it, rewired, spray foamed, and added a dehumidifier. My problem went away. I spent quite a bit of money doing this.

Since then, I've occasionally had issues with a few animals getting into the space during the Winter. I've religiously tracked down how they've gotten in, and sealed it. They are relentless. They've even tried to chew through the access door I built.

Last Fall I found that they were getting in under some vinyl siding where a pipe was improperly installed. I managed to block that and poured some concrete to keep them from digging under the blocks I'd put in place. I've also put down some poison on occasion, which seems to work for a while.

After I blocked their access, everything was fine until March. I started hearing them in the crawl space again, and it sounded like there was a lot of them. I hurt my foot, so I've been unable to go under the house.

Yesterday I went under the house and found that they were in there and had trashed the place. They burrowed into my spray foam, there are walnut shells everywhere, and they ripped up my vapor barrier. I can see how they got in. They dug under the foundation wall, and came up inside the crawlspace. Since there's no floor, they were able to create a passageway from under my porch right into the crawl space.

First, I'm gong to call an exterminator. I'm done messing with these things myself.

Short of pouring concrete, I'm thinking of getting a few yards of river stone and covering the floor with 4" of the stone. Do you think this might keep them from digging up into the crawlspace?

How would you handle this?
Cat,bigger cat,high-end pellet rifle.
 

Kpaige

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I would put down vapor barrier some rigid insulation and pour concrete in there. May need to dig some dirt out but it’s the only thing they cant get through!!!! You can get it pumped in there.
 

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Oh yea... forgot this trick... get human hair... and steel wool... mix it all up and distribute as needed. Will thwart the little buggers and keep skunks out of there.

Funny as **** story... neighbor had a skunk dig a hole under their front porch... made a home down there... the neighbor wanted ME TO PAY to have the skunk removed because... get this one... if I don't pay... the skunk will end up moving under my porch. My porch has a root cellar under it... 17 feet below ground level... aint nothing going under that porch. I digress...

They decided to BLOCK the hole... thinking the skunk wasn't sleeping during the day. He was trapped now... under the porch... he dug towards my house... and came up in the middle of their paved driveway... providing a HELL OF A SINK HOLE... and in the process of escaping... sprayed his "Perfume" under the porch etc... their whole house was a bit smelly for some time.

The moral of the story... sometimes... it's best to leave things be... if you **** with something... it may **** you back.
 
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