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First of all, like most of us on the forum, glad you and your family are okay. Sorry for your loss. I would hate to think of having to start over to repurchase a lifetime collection of tools.
Best wishes on the outcome with the insurance. Then go forth and build bigger and better.
Good luck!!
 
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Well the RAT BASTARDS are not showing up today. They are coming tomorrow. I had previously rescheduled a job interview for tomorrow. I don’t think I should try for another, so now I cant be here with them.
Thru all this I have been pretty stoic about it, but I have caught my wife crying at times, and for her it really wasn’t much of a loss. Well today when I saw a headline and read the news article I just lost it. I balled like a little baby.
It really all is just stuff. I didn’t lose squat compared to these people.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpps/news/local/Deadly_Pennsylvania_Farmhouse_Fire_030911_12228736
 

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Might want to look at a different company, contents of my garage, including all tools etc are insured for about 6x what the contents of my house are.

Eggsactly, there are many ways one can insure tools for what they will really cost to replace, however, many insurance companies won't write riders for tools that they think are "Professional" in nature. When I told my agent what replacement for just my toolbox was, he started backtracking and eventually referred me to another company for just my tools.

Inland Marine policies (ignore the name, it's a trivial name used by the insurance company) are usually applicable. I had such a policy for about $200K that cost me just shy of $100/month. now that my shop is at my home, the policy has gone down substantially in spite of more coverage now.

Having my shops insured is the only way I can sleep at night. I used to be in an industrial park with too much traffic in the evenings. Shops next door and downstairs were being broken into regularly. I don't know if I got lucky or my keeping less than regular hours contributed to my not being hit. In defense of the local LEOs, when I called them to nab somebody stealing scrap iron, they were there immediately. On one occasion, they got the guys before they got to the first cross street.
 
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Man, I hate that for you. You'll bounce back though, it's obvious that you're that kind of guy from your posts.

When I was about 16, some kids stole a car from a subdivision not far from where ours was and drove it waaaaaaaay out in the country. Then they pointed it across a field, tied the steering wheel straight, put leaves in front of the grill and lit them. Put a rock on the accelerator and let her go. It ran about 200 yards straight across that field right in between two big old oak trees that were about 20' apart and right into my uncle's woodworking shop. He had been a carpenter all his life and he lost everything in there. I've still got a few of the tools that we were able to salvage. But I still remember going out there the next morning and seeing that shop. It was SO sad. He eventually rebuilt and had a real nice shop but he was never able to replace several of his bigger items.

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That really SUX! Sorry for you and to hear the story.

I have a real personal relationship with my tools.
They are my tools, I don't want a new replacement tool; I want my tools.

Whats that line about the GI and his gun?
"This is my gun there is no other one like it in the world." ..................
 

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Well the RAT BASTARDS are not showing up today. They are coming tomorrow. I had previously rescheduled a job interview for tomorrow. I don’t think I should try for another, so now I cant be here with them.
Thru all this I have been pretty stoic about it, but I have caught my wife crying at times, and for her it really wasn’t much of a loss. Well today when I saw a headline and read the news article I just lost it. I balled like a little baby.
It really all is just stuff. I didn’t lose squat compared to these people.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpps/news/local/Deadly_Pennsylvania_Farmhouse_Fire_030911_12228736

That was a sad story! As difficult as it is... You are right it is just stuff.. Either way wishing you all the best on the interview though!!
 

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Whats that line about the GI and his gun?
"This is my gun there is no other one like it in the world." ..................

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine......."

back on track now

fflintstone, sorry to hear about the fire. :(
 
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I went down state today for a job interview, but the insurance guy came out today.
Unfortunately my wife is sick and was asleep while he was here. I had wanted her to point out various crumpled pieces of metal. I will start sifting thru the rubble Saturday.
A fellow GJ’er is going to loan me a metal detector. That should help out.
The long and the short of what the insurance guy said was “yep you had a fire, I will get you a dumpster, we will most likely get a settlement on the building first, then the tools”.
 

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Make sure you take lots of pictures of things as you dig. They may help substantiate your claim at some point. Almost want to say "have a camera man to video your work" (OK, wife or kid(s) would do just fine!)
 

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I went down state today for a job interview, but the insurance guy came out today.
Unfortunately my wife is sick and was asleep while he was here. I had wanted her to point out various crumpled pieces of metal. I will start sifting thru the rubble Saturday.
A fellow GJ’er is going to loan me a metal detector. That should help out.
The long and the short of what the insurance guy said was “yep you had a fire, I will get you a dumpster, we will most likely get a settlement on the building first, then the tools”.

I will get you a dumpster? WTF? How about he gets a contractor to clean up and rebuild?

Does your insurance company expect you to clean up the debris, rebuild the structure and go shopping for new tools?

When I was a little boy, someone stole all of my dad's and my tools out of our garage. My dad gave the insurance company a list and a week later, a big box from Snap-On and Sears arrived with our replacement tools.

When the neighboring shops got broken into around my old shop, the insurance company had the Snap-on and Matco trucks at the shops before the adjusters had been there-after they'd had contractors out to repair building and fence damage.
 
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I will get you a dumpster? WTF? How about he gets a contractor to clean up and rebuild?

Does your insurance company expect you to clean up the debris, rebuild the structure and go shopping for new tools?

I Really don’t want people I don’t know on my property. I want to go thru the rubble myself, and look for stuff. I had 4 chain saws and only see parts of 2.
I had two ridged cordura tool bags on top of the toolboxes, they were full of home inspection tools, and they appear to have vaporized. I want to find evidence of my moisture meter.
I don’t want them picking out tools for me.
95% of my hand tools were Craftsman. I don’t want a Craftsman replacement if the tool is now made in China.
 

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If the moisture meter was typical construction (plastic case) I suspect you won't find anything. The guts, for the most part are gone. Circuit boards burn very well, leaving little evidence. Only things that may not be burned completely are some screws, and maybe battery contacts.
 

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When we had our house fire last year the Insurance company let me act as the General on the rebuild and even let me pick out the subs to do the work. I got bids from freinds in differant trades and ended up doing 95% of the work myself with help from a few ( real freinds ) . We still have some work to do but we have upgraded pretty much everything from what we started with. The garage door was one of the few items I contracted out . The insurance adjuster quoted $1200.00 to replace a standard uninsulated 16' X 7' door only. I ended up with a factory insulated door with raised tracks and a new opener for less than $1000.00 installed.

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I wouldn't worry about the moisture meter, its in a better place. Besides moisture meters, even the really really nice ones aren't that expensive. Now the infrared camera that was also in that bag along with the blower door and laptop containing all the software for said blower door, I'd be more worried about.
 

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I Really don’t want people I don’t know on my property. I want to go thru the rubble myself, and look for stuff. I had 4 chain saws and only see parts of 2.
I had two ridged cordura tool bags on top of the toolboxes, they were full of home inspection tools, and they appear to have vaporized. I want to find evidence of my moisture meter.
I don’t want them picking out tools for me.
95% of my hand tools were Craftsman. I don’t want a Craftsman replacement if the tool is now made in China.

I wouldn't bother. File some notarized affidavits with the court (county recorder's office) and you're covered.

My signature is good enough to state that I didn't lie on my taxes (among other things), it ought to be good enough for an insurance company.

My shop's at my home, it's open to the public.
 

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Lost a shed on my property last May while out of town for work. Most important thing I have learned is make sure you have replacement value on everything. Be patient on all the headaches. Motercycle not covered, if it can be licensed for the road should have been insured. Hate to to lose the bike but I have'nt used it since moving here 10 years ago. But fight for every thing else. My shed was on the property when bought, 2 years ago while orginizing it I found a corn seed tag from 1957 on the wall. How old it was who know's. House is around 100 years old at best guess. Insurance offered $15,500 to replace the building, it was 12 x 20' wood structure. It took a while but I started to research replacement buildings. This spring a new 30 x 72' polebarn is going up. The loss of the old still hurts and there are things I remember every day that was'nt on the claim.
But do greave for what is lost but do plan for replacement. I chose to be the general contractor for the job and save the money. They were willing to pay $1500 for clean up for 2 loads of left over burnt wood and 2 loads of scorched scrap metal. Think it through before doing anything. You can rebuild and be better in the end. It still hurts though.
Stay strong, be patient. PM me if you need any info on where I purchased my building from, they gave a great package price and free delivery.
 
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glad nobody was hurt. my house burnt down back in 2005 along with all my tools. i don't know who your insurance co is, but mine gave me 100% replacement cost for my tools. i just had to make a list of what i had, it was over $25k in tools.
 

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Hi I am responding late to this but for you and fellow GJ fans, An insurance loss adjuster is a neccessary evil. They will fight for you know the law and indsurance industry BS. The small percentage they get will be more than covered by the additional settlement they get you! They are they way to go! Thank God there was no loss of life. Stay well my thoughts and prayers will be with you..
 
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Moved the toolboxes into the shop and started going thru them. A few drawers were open and oh my god what a mess.
These three ratchets hurt the most losing.


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I've been through 2 tornado cleanups, and a friend's fire cleanup. I've sat in with the final calculation/settlement with the adjusters on all 3 occasions. Never has anything listed been questioned as to whether it was actually there or not. We were told to make a list of damaged and destroyed items along with prices, everything was reviewed, nothing was questioned.
The first tornado situation was my parents, the adjuster actually gave more on alot of items than we wrote down. We had a wheelbarrow with a broken handle, so dad found the price of a handle. The adjuster said "No, if you cannot use that wheelbarrow today the same way as you could last week, we pay you for a wheelbarrow, not just the handle." There were several items like that. If it was useable before and unuseable after, it was paid for. The 50's Willy's jeep that ran but hadn't been used in 4-5 years got smashed under the barn, was written up as a farm vehicle, and he said any 4x4 vehicle that ran was worth $1000. It, and several other items we were allowed to keep. Some we fixed, some we sold, some were scrapped. I still have an old Snap-On box at Dad's that got smashed and filled with water. Maybe I'll restore it someday.
The 2nd tornado was mine 2 years ago. On a strictly cash basis we came out ahead on every item, including the reconstruction of our buildings. The adjuster did all the initial calculations based on "standard" numbers in their system, all of which were wrong in our favor. Two 10x10 roll-up doors came back as $1700 each, in the end our cost for installed door was $1200ea. Most amazing to me, after all the standard numbers were totaled up, they added 10% of that total for a general contractor, and another 10% for "general contractor profit", both of which I was allowed to keep since I acted as the general contractor, which consisted of making about 3 phone calls.
Unfortunately it took us most of the summer to do cleanup of all the trees, which the insurance did not cover.
 
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Sorry for the loss of all your stuff but at least it's just "stuff", don't get me wrong very very important stuff, but just stuff ... at least nobody got hurt. I don't even want to pretend to know how you must have felt ... Just installed a few weeks ago a bunch of fire extinguishers in the shop but not sure if they would have been of any help with this kind of fire ... It's almost always impossible to replace years and years of collecting the right tools for the right jobs ... Hopefully your insurance company will take care of you ... I had a leaky roof that collapsed a piece of ceiling in my bathroom a couple of months ago, not only my insurance did not cover any of the damage, they even went as far as cancel a clause in my contract ... Gotta look for another insurance company now ... I really hope you'll have better luck with yours ...

Good luck and all the best ! ! !
 

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I've been through 2 tornado cleanups, and a friend's fire cleanup. I've sat in with the final calculation/settlement with the adjusters on all 3 occasions. Never has anything listed been questioned as to whether it was actually there or not. We were told to make a list of damaged and destroyed items along with prices, everything was reviewed, nothing was questioned.
The first tornado situation was my parents, the adjuster actually gave more on alot of items than we wrote down. We had a wheelbarrow with a broken handle, so dad found the price of a handle. The adjuster said "No, if you cannot use that wheelbarrow today the same way as you could last week, we pay you for a wheelbarrow, not just the handle." There were several items like that. If it was useable before and unuseable after, it was paid for. The 50's Willy's jeep that ran but hadn't been used in 4-5 years got smashed under the barn, was written up as a farm vehicle, and he said any 4x4 vehicle that ran was worth $1000. It, and several other items we were allowed to keep. Some we fixed, some we sold, some were scrapped. I still have an old Snap-On box at Dad's that got smashed and filled with water. Maybe I'll restore it someday.
The 2nd tornado was mine 2 years ago. On a strictly cash basis we came out ahead on every item, including the reconstruction of our buildings. The adjuster did all the initial calculations based on "standard" numbers in their system, all of which were wrong in our favor. Two 10x10 roll-up doors came back as $1700 each, in the end our cost for installed door was $1200ea. Most amazing to me, after all the standard numbers were totaled up, they added 10% of that total for a general contractor, and another 10% for "general contractor profit", both of which I was allowed to keep since I acted as the general contractor, which consisted of making about 3 phone calls.
Unfortunately it took us most of the summer to do cleanup of all the trees, which the insurance did not cover.

What a coincidence. My parents lost there house to a tornado Christmas eve 2002 and we lost our house (see early post this topic) Feb 2008. We haven't been thru a fire (knock on wood). As you stated, the insurance co paid 100% on all lost items, including tools. The only thing they would not pay for was car parts. I had been buying up mustang part to start restoring my fastback again. All was stored in the loft of my detached shop and it was completly destored.
 

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Funny thing about the car parts above. My insurance would pay for parts or a disassembled car but not one put together. That should have been covered under it's own policy. Lost the cycle claim on that point but carried the 4 wheeler because it could'nt be plated.
 
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ANYTHING TODAY on your insurance claim?

Did not here a word from the rat bass turds.
I did get more out of the second box, and picked up most of my impact sockets out of the ashes.
I did also find some remains from my electronic test equipment.
A fellow GJ member is going to stop by and loan me a metal detector, that should help (I think?)
I found more melted stuff I can’t figure out, and my grandpa’s lead mallet didn’t fare too well.
 

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I had a garage fire about 15 years ago at the house i was renting. lost an 86 mustang we just had painted and my 90 fzr1000. luckily the insurance covered them on there own policies and the garage on the renters insurance.

the insurance co. sent some people to try and catalog what was in the garage. like yours, most was not recognizable and the people they sent didn't know a wrench from a socket. For the claim, i had to submit a picture of the burned up tool, receipt, or manual. Because the fire was so bad and the people they sent couldn't identify anything, i could submit the manual without showing a picture of the burned up item (use this info how you wish). luckily i keep all manuals and they were in the house. my adjuster said it was the best fire she had ever worked because i had documentation for everything.

they let me clean the garage out myself. they provided the dumpster and gave me $300 for doing the work. because of this i was able to save several tools that i brought back to life and they gave me the claim on them.
 

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You guys are making me VERY paranoid about fire in my shop.

VERY paranoid!


Mine was in my basement ( however I have a stairwell leading from the basement to the garage ) . I didnt loose any tools so to speak but everything in the garage was covered in soot alot of it still is as the garage is the last room to be redone . Have to make SWMBO happy first then I can work on the garage . What amazed me was the heat . The stairwell is on one side of the garage and the miniblinds on the other side of the garage were melted from the heat comming up from the basement.


Rick
 
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Sorry to hear but glad no one was injured. I agree with the post that said NOT to take the insurance check right away UNLESS its fair. They will always low ball you from the start.

Another bit of advice from experience, negotiating with an adjuster is always easier right at the end or in the beginning of a fiscal quarter. So if they are trying to jerk you around just keep saying no until April, chances are they'll raise the kitty then depending on whats left in the forecast from the bean counters.
 

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Fflinstone,

I noticed the pics of your screwdriver drawer in another thread and had to search this thread down. I'm so sorry to hear about this. Keep us updated as we all would be glad to help you in some way if the insurance company decides to stick it to ya. I'm glad no one was hurt. Thoughts and prayers coming your way.

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Cant contribute much to the thread other than Im sorry to hear whats happened to you, and fortunately it was just your garage and tools... My Inlaws house burnt down a couple years ago... It was a total loss and sifting thru that stuff was not fun at all. Not to mention living in an apartment for 8 months... Matter of fact they are still itemizing things. Its been a very long process... Make sure to stay on top of your insurance agents because if you let it slide they will too. Lots of stuff they couldn't replace. I would never wish that on anyone... Hopefully they make it right with you.
 

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Sorry to hear but glad no one was injured. I agree with the post that said NOT to take the insurance check right away UNLESS its fair. They will always low ball you from the start.

Another bit of advice from experience, negotiating with an adjuster is always easier right at the end or in the beginning of a fiscal quarter. So if they are trying to jerk you around just keep saying no until April, chances are they'll raise the kitty then depending on whats left in the forecast from the bean counters.

this must all depend on your coverage. like i said before, when my house burnt down back in '05, i got 100% replacement value on my tools. everything in the house was also 100% replacement value. check your content insurance to see what your covered for.
 
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