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sparky 1971

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I do not know, was trying to get some shut eye when they were here. It was late and they didn't spend much time... I will probably open lid and perhaps snap a pic this week if I get time. I am also curious. Don't call the PowCo police. :shocking:
Just make sure that you cut the meter seal in a way that it won't be visible when you put it back on. At least, that's what I've heard anyway.
 
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Minnesota Power. Very unlikely that our previous power co. would have stopped by that quick.

"Break" or problem spot is intermittent. Saturday, shop functioned as if nothing happened. I had 122v at problem leg, 125v on the other. Today, dead again (0v).
I had a similar problem at my house. Wife called and said half the lights were out in the house. When I came home they all worked fine. Happened a few more time over several weeks. I called power company and they came out once but when they got there it would be back on. Finally it stopped working all together. Power company came out and it turned out that 4 years earlier I had nicked one leg with an auger while installing fence posts. I had it marked before I dug and made sure I was 4 feet either side of the painted line. (not marked well at all!!!) Evidently it would cool of and "reconnect" and power company would not touch it until it was burned out completely and wasn't working when they arrived. No charge at the time. This was over 20 years ago.
 

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Just make sure that you cut the meter seal in a way that it won't be visible when you put it back on. At least, that's what I've heard anyway.
Our good friends at Amazon have a solution for that. Pick your color and you're good to go. $0,25 per good deed.

Me personally, I just use a cable tie.
 

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Do you know anyone that has a FLIR thermal imaging camera? You could scan your panel and junction boxes very quickly. Poor connections may show up.
 

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Our good friends at Amazon have a solution for that. Pick your color and you're good to go. $0,25 per good deed.

Me personally, I just use a cable tie.
I have a few left from about 30 that an old timer lineman "accidentally" dropped at an apartment where I needed a meter pulled to replace a main. He was grumbling about how we used to be able to pull the meters ourselves right before they hit the ground, then something to the effect of being too old to bend over that far and asked me to make sure I got them picked up.:dunno: Of course, those only cover one of the six POCO's in my service area, but it is by far the largest.
 

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I have a few left from about 30 that an old timer lineman "accidentally" dropped at an apartment where I needed a meter pulled to replace a main. He was grumbling about how we used to be able to pull the meters ourselves right before they hit the ground, then something to the effect of being too old to bend over that far and asked me to make sure I got them picked up.:dunno: Of course, those only cover one of the six POCO's in my service area, but it is by far the largest.
I happened to pick up 2 that the POCO dropped....

Saving them for another project like a transfer switch and perhaps a new panel.
 

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All this talk about meter seals....

Growing up the meter was a few feet outside my bedroom window. When the wind would get going really strong, it would whip the seal back and forth super fast and make a racket. Well, me being the handyman child that I was, I went and cut it off one day.

Probably did that a few times in the 10yrs I lived in that house. Nothing was ever said, and this is back when meter reading was done manually
 

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I happened to pick up 2 that the POCO dropped....

Saving them for another project like a transfer switch and perhaps a new panel.
I may have heard that if you have a smart meter, leave the top jaws engaged. Rotate the bottom out and put a thick piece of cardboard between the bottom jaws and the socket. If the top gets disengaged, the POCO will know about the power loss before you do.
 

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I may have heard that if you have a smart meter, leave the top jaws engaged. Rotate the bottom out and put a thick piece of cardboard between the bottom jaws and the socket. If the top gets disengaged, the POCO will know about the power loss before you do.
Interesting! I can see how that works. Here are pics of the 200A meter can at my house from 9/22 when they upgraded the meter to a smart meter. PCO feed on the right and sure enough, it feeds the top of the meter first and then passes thru to the house SEU on the bottom.

I was wondering if pulling the smart meter would result in it not being able to communicate with the mothership and then the PCO thinking I was experiencing an outage.

Edited 02/19/25 to change to SEU from SER per Wyliesdiesel.

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Nope. Who cares! They don't get close enough to them anymore.
I looked out the other day and my power company was pulling my meter. Asked the guy what was up and he was doing a random meter test.
 

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Just a thought but is corrosion or a bad connection at the lug a possibility if the aluminum wasn't greased? I just had one leg on a dryer outlet this fall (copper)that was tight but slightly black oxidized that wasn't conducting. Cleaned it and all was well.
 

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Just a thought but is corrosion or a bad connection at the lug a possibility if the aluminum wasn't greased? I just had one leg on a dryer outlet this fall (copper)that was tight but slightly black oxidized that wasn't conducting. Cleaned it and all was well.
That sounds burned, from being loose

Unless you snipped the wire back and used a new outlet it's probably going to happen again.
 

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I may have heard that if you have a smart meter, leave the top jaws engaged. Rotate the bottom out and put a thick piece of cardboard between the bottom jaws and the socket. If the top gets disengaged, the POCO will know about the power loss before you do.
Hypothetically, of course. Never will have a chance to prove that out, I'm sure
 
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All this talk about meter seals....

Growing up the meter was a few feet outside my bedroom window. When the wind would get going really strong, it would whip the seal back and forth super fast and make a racket. Well, me being the handyman child that I was, I went and cut it off one day.

Probably did that a few times in the 10yrs I lived in that house. Nothing was ever said, and this is back when meter reading was done manually
I had the same noise outside my bedroom window. That thing made quite a racket.

I put a turn or two of electrical tape to hold the base of the seal against the conduit directly beneath. I didn't cover the wire part so it was easy to see it was intact. No more noise.
 

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I looked out the other day and my power company was pulling my meter. Asked the guy what was up and he was doing a random meter test.
Meters do have to get changed out to verify accuracy at some established frequency. Same is true for gas and water. The 2 POCO's I deal with don't have a problem with residential meters getting pulled/replaced on up to 120/240vac, 200A services. One requests a call beforehand.

The meter readers now don't come within 20' of the newer ones. YMMV.
 

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lol they do here. they have motion and tamper sensors in the meters. if you mess with them they know about it because they get an alarm. then they come out and check the tag
Twice I disconnected or pulled a Smart Meter, nothing happened, once was a Sunday panel swap because the idiot never used a gasket on the hub, & it was required on that panel, leading to water damaging the AL bus, second time was disconnecting the OH service drop to s swap out the roof jack because the roof was being replaced, not able to do that anymore due to health reasons now.
 

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Meters do have to get changed out to verify accuracy at some established frequency. Same is true for gas and water. The 2 POCO's I deal with don't have a problem with residential meters getting pulled/replaced on up to 120/240vac, 200A services. One requests a call beforehand.

The meter readers now don't come within 20' of the newer ones. YMMV.
That's the way it used to be here with the big POCO that I deal with 95% of the time. Pull the meter, do what needs done then call them and they will come put a seal on. For some reason, they decided that nobody other than a lineman was qualified to pull/install a meter beginning Jan. 1 of I think 2011. It just happens to be that those are the seals I have, and they don't have smart meters yet. I had to have a lineman come to a commercial building twice yesterday for me. Once to take the locked meter rings off the three meter stack so I could get the cover off and get a part # of a bad 150 amp breaker, then again to pull the meter when I found the new breaker. It was the same guy both times, and he actually helped get the cover off and back on.
 

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Twice I disconnected or pulled a Smart Meter, nothing happened, once was a Sunday panel swap because the idiot never used a gasket on the hub, & it was required on that panel, leading to water damaging the AL bus, second time was disconnecting the OH service drop to s swap out the roof jack because the roof was being replaced, not able to do that anymore due to health reasons now.
I pulled one before I'd even heard of a smart meter. It was in the middle of absolute nowhere with a bad main on a pole for an REC and I figured they'd never know. There just happened to be a couple of line crews at the closest neighbors about two miles away and they showed up about the time I was putting the cover back on. The office knew something wasn't right as soon as the meter came out. The old guys thought it was funny, but the young guy that was with them sure didn't.
 

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That's the way it used to be here with the big POCO that I deal with 95% of the time. Pull the meter, do what needs done then call them and they will come put a seal on. For some reason, they decided that nobody other than a lineman was qualified to pull/install a meter beginning Jan. 1 of I think 2011. It just happens to be that those are the seals I have, and they don't have smart meters yet. I had to have a lineman come to a commercial building twice yesterday for me. Once to take the locked meter rings off the three meter stack so I could get the cover off and get a part # of a bad 150 amp breaker, then again to pull the meter when I found the new breaker. It was the same guy both times, and he actually helped get the cover off and back on.
Barrel keys are somewhat easy to come by!!
 

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I own one but admit to not seeing it for several years and haven't needed it. The very first time I saw one, I cut the ring off with a Sawzall. Luckily, I had just purchased a five pack of blades because I used every one of them. That metal was ***** hard. The boss was pretty proud of me the next day, he had seen the lock but forgot to call it in.

Yesterday's fiasco was no big deal since I had nothing else to do and was 3° out so the lineman weren't doing anything except sitting in their trucks waiting for an emergency. He was there within five minutes of each phone call.
 
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Off work during daylight due to a funeral. Oddly enough, it looks like the power company lock was brittle or something and broke when a chunk of ice? contacted it... :headscrat Anyways took opportunity to take a quick pic:
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I can't say that I've ever seen a lug set up like that before, but it doesn't look like anything in there is wrong. Usually, if it's a bad connection the lug will get discolored and the insulation on the wire will start to bubble.
 

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then passes thru to the house SER on the bottom.

I was wondering if pulling the smart meter would result in it not being able to communicate with the mothership and then the PCO thinking I was experiencing an outage.
That is SEU not SER.... yes the smart meters have a battery so they can still transmit data when there is an outage....
 

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Off work during daylight due to a funeral. Oddly enough, it looks like the power company lock was brittle or something and broke when a chunk of ice? contacted it... :headscrat Anyways took opportunity to take a quick pic:
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Do you have a pic of the inside of the panel in the shop just out of curiosity?
 

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A Time Domain Reflectometer can locate cable problem with a very high degree of accuracy.
They are "High Dollar" pieces of equipment.
 
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Leg has remained dead, at 0v since randomly working again one slightly warmer day. I have not touched wiring at meter at all, that's all I may do, perhaps with a piece of wood, carefully. I am convinced problem is underground.

What are the chances voltage is "leaking" underground? Aka is there any hurry on getting said leg temporarily disconnected? Since it did work again, once, I'm not going to jumper panel without doing so. I am mostly missing my crappy overhead lights, at the moment. May wait it out until warmer days if safe. I would love to hire one of you sparkys, but distance probably a bit much.
 

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Leg has remained dead, at 0v since randomly working again one slightly warmer day. I have not touched wiring at meter at all, that's all I may do, perhaps with a piece of wood, carefully. I am convinced problem is underground.

What are the chances voltage is "leaking" underground? Aka is there any hurry on getting said leg temporarily disconnected? Since it did work again, once, I'm not going to jumper panel without doing so. I am mostly missing my crappy overhead lights, at the moment. May wait it out until warmer days if safe. I would love to hire one of you sparkys, but distance probably a bit much.
The idea place to disconnect is at the meter but you would have to ring it out using the neutral to determine which is the offending hot leg. Probably not a place where you should be and lacking needed PPE/tools.

A much safer way is simply disconnecting the "0" volt leg in the garage panel and taping it up. Then you can do the 2p cb with jumper.

If one cb being dead is the only inconvenience, simply swap positions of it with one on the hot bus.
 
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