Retroman
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Prefer aluminum and rated to 3 tons. Does not need to be low profile. Any recommendations ?
I need a good Floorjack
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Wamsutta
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Harbor Freight Yellow Daytona.
Harbor Freight Yellow Daytona.
Love mine.
equitiesguy
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Harbor freight's aluminum racing jacks are excellent. I would absolutely recommend the above Daytona also, considering it's made in the same factory as Snap-on's identical new jack and IS the same jack ... Gotta love China ripping off intellectual property.
Even I wouldn't buy the Snap-on. I would just paint that ******* red, and put an S on it.
Even I wouldn't buy the Snap-on. I would just paint that ******* red, and put an S on it.
???? I don't think that was IP issue there, there was a long thread about this...more like some one sold one version to snap on and sold another version of similar to HF...
WWheeler
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I own the Daytona for a couple years now. It's been a really good jack so far, and it definitely shares some similarities with the Snap-on.
That said, I've seen nothing anywhere that they are actually identical (at the very least there are several visual differences other than color) or "made in the same factory". From what I know about them that seems a stretch.
Perhaps you know something about it I don't? If so, please share.
EDIT: As far as the OP's search for a jack goes, the Daytona is not aluminum. It's a big heavy steel jack that weighs over 100lbs (but rolls super easy).
HF does have some aluminum jacks, but I believe they all have the same 90 day warranty like all their other jacks except for the yellow Daytona which has 3yrs.
FWIW I also have a little 1.5ton aluminum HF jack. They don't last long for me. I'm on my 3rd one now in a little more than as many years. But for the ~$40 or so I've paid for each of them they serve their purpose.
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Just don't get the $50 HF aluminum ones It *****... I think their $100+ ones are ok.. very similar to the Craftsman one (shinnFU something brand)... the HF steel ones are good just very heavy if you have to lug it around not a fun thing to do....
Qualitytools
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AC Hydraulics jacks are great! Pricey, not aluminum but great jacks. Check them out!
I bought the HF Daytona floor jack after Snap-On filed a lawsuit against HF. Seems Snap-On claiming patent infringement, it is almost an exact copy of their $600? jack. I bought mine for $179 with coupon (they will give you the coupon if you don't have one) It is a great jack. It is not light, this is a garage type jack. The lawsuit has been settled. Overall the Daytona is better than any of Sears offerings IMHO.https://www.biztimes.com/2017/industries/law/snap-on-harbor-freight-settle-floor-jack-case/
WWheeler
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Snap-on wasn't claiming patent infringement, per se, but rather that the "ornamental design" of the Daytona was too close to its own. It had nothing to do with the inner workings of the jacks at all. Design patent lawsuits only cover non-functional aspects like color, decals, shape, etc.
They sued because they thought HF's jack looked too much like theirs, or as your link says "Snap-on sued Harbor Freight last year, accusing the California-based company of selling floor jacks that “are substantially identical in shape and appearance”".
Also referenced in the lawsuit was actually a thread on this forum comparing the jacks making what they said were baseless claims that the two jacks were the same, and that Harbor Freight's advertising comparisons were leading to the confusion ...
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Negen
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I would buy Ac hydraulics if I needed a new Jack.
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akagalford
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I bought one of the HF Daytona jacks also. Been very happy with it and second that it is better than anything craftsman currently has. It is heavy and would not recommend for a portable need.
Indexmill
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Come on, Really?? You already know the right answer....
Buy a good, 'ol Made in the USA piece o IRON floor jack and refurbish it yourself. A Lincoln, A Hein Werner, a Blackhawk. Refurbished, it will be like brand new and will outlast you.
Buy a good, 'ol Made in the USA piece o IRON floor jack and refurbish it yourself. A Lincoln, A Hein Werner, a Blackhawk. Refurbished, it will be like brand new and will outlast you.
Negen
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Lincoln and hien are now the same company now no? Which is owned by. A Chinese company. I would suspect more Americans get paid from selling harbor freights Jacks than hien jacks (shinn fu america) For a new Jack Milwaukee seems legit. I think weaver is not yet shut down. A quick search looks like gray manufacturing is still making USA made Jack's.
Compac or ac hydraulic are common around my area. Looked into getting a Milwaukee but it is time is about 2-3 months last summer when I finally got a hold of someone.
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Compac or ac hydraulic are common around my area. Looked into getting a Milwaukee but it is time is about 2-3 months last summer when I finally got a hold of someone.
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LB-1911
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Give these a look -
Aluminum
Arcan ALJ3T Aluminum Floor Jack - 3 Ton Capacity
$215.00 (approx)
Steel
Napa Floor Jack 3.5 Ton Part #: NLE 7916420
$220.00 (approx)
Have a Costco near you?
https://www.costco.com/3-Ton-Profes...And-Steel-Service-Jack.product.100222458.html
https://www.costco.com/3-Ton-Profes...And-Steel-Service-Jack.product.100222458.html
General Geoff
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Another vote for the Daytona. Almost 3 years on mine and it's been solid as a rock.
equitiesguy
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So, this is all wrong and let me clarify so my point to the OP remains clear.
If you read the summons and complaint for the federal case Snap-on filed against Harbor Freight in the Eastern District of Wisconsin the very first count against Harbor freight was "Patent Infringement."
Snap-on went on detailing the violations in their "612" patent design for their brand new jack, and the direct violations of the Daytona jack from Harbor Freight.
The second count was "Trade Dress Infringement" which is essentially that they copied the design and style of the jack so it would appear identically to the Snap-on.
The remaining counts under the complaint dealt with unfair competition, effectively citing that a company violating their patents in China and shipping and selling their intellectual property /patented designs in this country cannot be permitted and requested a permanent injunction.
WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING...
When Harbor freight replied with their answer, affirmative defenses, etc. they detailed that Snap-on was producing their jack at the same Chinese factory that Harbor freight was now producing the Daytona (same company) and under Chinese law it was not illegal for that company to use Snap-on patents for Harbor Freight since China does not honor anything related to intellectual property/patents from the United States.
So as not to derail the original thread the finality was that Snap-on dropped the lawsuit because it became clear that it would become obvious their products they chose to be made in China (and subsequently copied by Harbor Freight) was elevating Harbor Freight in the news to be their equal and lowering Snap-on's long standing reputation in the tool industry.
In short OP, if you want a great jack buy the Daytona from HF. It's basically the Snap-on, made in the same factory.
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Great suggestions, Thank you all. It will be a garage jack so the weight of the HF Daytona should not be a issue. Seems like a lot of jack for the money with there 20% coupon. I also like the idea of rebuilding one I assume the rebuild kits are readily available? The Costco aluminum is right up there as well for $99.00 I probably won't be using it more than a couple times a month so it should hold up. I guess time to scour Craigslist for a used quality jack and go from there.
Ign
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Is AC Hydraulics available again in the US? Last I was in the market -- several years ago -- everything was not available or on alleged backorder
In case you decide on the HF Daytona, their 20% off coupons do not work on Daytona jacks. You have to find one of the specific product coupons that will take the yellow one from $199 to $179. Available on the coupon database that a member here runs.
IRC the patent number listed in the court papers wasn't owned by Snap on, it was via LLC in Travelers Rest SC, which if I recall points back to Power station/Arcan which is how Snap on gets by with saying the Jack is designed here in the USA, I believe the "612" portion of the D730,612 is what pertains to Snap on design. My thoughts... If the Jacks where built in the same factory, Snap on would have sued the manufacturer for infringing on there design patent. I can't hardly believe that when SO contracts a supplier to manufacture jacks to there specs, they don't have some sort of non compete clause to protect there interest.
As stated before, the hydraulic portion of the Jack is nothing New, it's used in just about every current twin pump import Jack on the market today. The only difference was it was one of the first to be sold that utilized/advertised UCups/Premium seals depending on what brand advertising your reading, along with there whiz bang magnet filter system. Snap on nor HF has ever been in the business of manufacturing hydraulic lift equipment, they simply utilize a manufacturer that can build to there specs, those specs vary from the type of seals used, clearances/tolerances along with Rod finish/thickness etc and I haven't even ventured into the frame thickness/steel size etc. My point is it takes more than a side by side photo/video to actually determine if the two products are actually the same.
Here is the original filing, If you read down to 17 of the first section, it addresses that the reason Snap on was suing was because people actually believe "they are the same, manufactured by the same manufacturer, utilize the same components and/or are built of the same quality". Btw... Exhibit F was this actual discussions from GJ.
Could you please link the court filings where it was claimed that the jacks where made in the same factory? Thanks in advance..
equitiesguy
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On May 26, 2015, the '612 patent was granted to VIS, LLC, which later assigned the patent to Snap-on. Snap-on began selling the FJ200 in August 2014, and it began selling the FJ300 in March 2016. Snap-on contracted VIS, LLC. to assist them in designing their next generation jack. While VIS, LLC. may have filed the patent, Snap-on owned the rights to it from day one.
Patent law is patent law, and I don't feel like discussing it or derailing this thread with minutia. They were granted the patents for this design. The reason Snap-on sued was for damages, and more importantly an injunction to stop the sale of the jack from Harbor Freight (which was denied by the judge, and made part of the matter to be decided by a trier of fact).
If you want to access the case file in it's entirety, including Harbor Freight's answer and the judge's rulings on the injunctions - Pacer is free to sign up (Federal court records access).
https://www.pacer.gov/
Patent law is patent law, and I don't feel like discussing it or derailing this thread with minutia. They were granted the patents for this design. The reason Snap-on sued was for damages, and more importantly an injunction to stop the sale of the jack from Harbor Freight (which was denied by the judge, and made part of the matter to be decided by a trier of fact).
If you want to access the case file in it's entirety, including Harbor Freight's answer and the judge's rulings on the injunctions - Pacer is free to sign up (Federal court records access).
https://www.pacer.gov/
I have no doubt that Snap On, has a patent on the design of the frame, which was why they where suing HF in a attempt to get a injunction, that’s linked in my earlier post. I was mistaken about it being Arcan, Vis.llc is a Sunex company that not only produces there jacks, but also for many different companies. I’m not a Pacer member, but I did find a pdf from the judge and his reasoning to why he didn’t send it to jury trial nor file a injunction against HF a interesting read when it came out. I’m not going to pay to access files in regards to HF’s response, maybe one of our many patent lawyers that chimed in in the other thread would be willing to take the time to post a copy in the original thread. I would be interested in reading it.
Patent.
equitiesguy
Banned
The judges ruling you’re talking about was for snapons request for a preliminary injunction which was denied. Discovery continued for a while, on its way to a jury trial and eventually both parties just agreed to drop the case instead.
Pacer is free.
I bumped the other thread, I tried to create a Pacer account and was met with a requirement for Credit card and a .10 cent per page charge with a max of $3.00
equitiesguy
Banned
As long as you stay under the public access requirement limit of $15 or so a quarter it’s free.
LB-1911
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Just get the Daytona from HF - It will serve you well
Edit - Get'em both.... Daytona 103.84 lbs 31 1/4 x 14 1/2 x 8 7/8 & the Costco jack - 58.3 lbs Overall Dimensions: 24" x 11.9" x 6"
If you ever need to load one up which would you rather load out?
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freudianfloyd
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I second this jack. I love mine. I just used it yesterday.
Romanova
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Costco carries Arcan in stores. I got my 3.5 ton there about 8 years ago. The thread, with dead pictures, can be found here; https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36136
While they no longer have the 3.5 ton, last week my local Costco had a 3 ton Arcan for $100.
While they no longer have the 3.5 ton, last week my local Costco had a 3 ton Arcan for $100.
michiganman18
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Love my compac. Not aluminum but...
Danish. No leaks. Gets under all the vehicles.
Slightly pricey.
I watched craigslist for years before buying mine and only watched beat up stuff come up.
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Danish. No leaks. Gets under all the vehicles.
Slightly pricey.
I watched craigslist for years before buying mine and only watched beat up stuff come up.
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WWheeler
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Wamsutta
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It gets down pretty low. If you have a car lower than 3-15/16 inches, then you're going to be belly dragging all over town scraping the concrete pulling in and out of parking lots. Speed bumps? Forget it.