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2ndGearRubber

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TLDR: I need a new scanner to replace my Solus Pro. Looking mainly at Autel, very lightly a Launch. What models are you guys using as a main diagnostic tool? I'd like to stay under 2k, I will go higher if needed. My primary work is on American, Japanese/Korean cars.



It's 2017, my Solus Pro is updated to 2014, that's a problem. I don't have Euro keys, and I'm sick of keys, and an update costs $1000, and I don't have a regular dealer. My back-up (light duty) is a Launch 129, just basic live data.

So, since I don't plan on updating the Solus, I want a new scanner. The following is a bit of my wants and needs.


- Reasonable update cost, $1000 a pop for snap on really doesn't work for me. Yeah, the autels are $700 for an update, but I feel it's a better deal as I can update it at the beginning and end of a new model year release. That's the plan anyway.

- Mimic the current data capabilities of my Solus. ABS valve position monitors, bay self tests of EVAP systems, bi directional controls (as many as I can get), OEM code retrieval (not generic global OBD), etc.

- Fast(er) boot time, the solus is brutal. So much so that I do everything I can to get by with the little launch and its live data as not to lug it out.

- I do like the graphing quality on the Solus, I'd like to have at least equal graphing quality.

- NO KEYS

- I have zero need for TPMS, entering relearn mode would be nice, but I really don't care, take it to a tire shop.

- I have no need/desire to reprogram modules, nor flash cars to update them.

- I am okay with a corded interface to the OBDII plug.

- I want to have the connectors/ability to connect to systems not covered by the OBDII plug.

- Amazing euro coverage isn't required, but I do want euro coverage for when I do work on them. OBDI coverage would also be a plus, but not required.




From reading here on the forum, and searching, Autel seemed to be the best fit. The main venders I am interested in purchasing from are AES wave, and Amazon. AES claims to be the official distributor, with decent feedback, Amazon will return the scanner if it's a brick out of the box. If anyone has experience to suggest I go another route/vender, please say so.


AES Wave shows updates currently for the 905 and 908 models. Annoyingly, the 906 seemed like a perfect fit in price and features. But if it will go unsupported, then it's useless. I do understand I'll be buying a new one in 4-ish years. Times change, etc.

I know very little about the Launch 431x. I do like my little red launch, but I have heard few reviews on what it can do. It comes with 2 years of updates, and is $700 a year afterwards.




So, Autel MS905 vs. MS908 (maybe vs.) the 431x.


Who has opinions for 2017?
 
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AES is a stand up company. As far as graphing goes, unless Autel has really stepped up their game since the DS708 you will hate it. Snap on's pid graphing is unrivaled. Updates for the Solus line are not $1000 a year either. If you like the way the Snap on software works you should trade up to a Solus Edge.
 
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2ndGearRubber

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AES is a stand up company. As far as graphing goes, unless Autel has really stepped up their game since the DS708 you will hate it. Snap on's pid graphing is unrivaled. Updates for the Solus line are not $1000 a year either. If you like the way the Snap on software works you should trade up to a Solus Edge.

Last time I spoke to my dealer, updates were $500 if you got them back to back. Miss one update, it's now a grand, and there's more than one update per year. That is what I have been told, anyways. I currently don't have any dealer service, I suppose I could call and see if my guy is still in business.

I do like the snappy software, but I don't really like the price, or frankly some of the service. Mediocre dealers roam my area, frequently changing, list price all the time. List price on the Solus edge is 3900. I suppose that's in my general price range after some non-sense promos and an inflated trade in.



Thank you for the info on graphing. Is there a reason you felt the graphing abilities were poor? Slow refresh rate, poor scaling, etc?
 

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The graphing on my DS708 is a line that runs across the screen with instant auto scaling and no control over the time base. It is useless. It does access some things that the Snap on doesn't (like security) so I still like the tool for that. Snap on only updates twice a year. As in 16.2 = second quarter of 2016 and 16.4 = forth quarter of 2016. If you are current and buy your update just before the next one is released you will get both. So between 5 and 600 a year. Dealers dont like to share that information but Ive done that way for years. I think your Pro and 2 grand would get you a Solus Edge. Then around $500 a year would keep you current.
 
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I have an issue with the ETHOS, being that is doesn't have troubleshooter (not paying snapon money and not getting it, and it does not list bi-directional control. I can't take a step back on that.



Anyways, talked to my snapon dealer today, here are my numbers:


Update Solus I have - $999 (plus tax) Future updates may not be available.

Solus edge, trade in my solus - $2500 (plus tax) Updated to 17.2




Honestly updating the solus seems like a better value, within 1 year the Edge costs $500 more to update again.


The other contenders are:


Autel 906, full connector kit. - 1200 through AES WAVE
1 year free updates, then $650ish. No penalty for skipping updates I'm aware of.


Launch x431 V+ Pro 3 - 1300 via Amazon (1800 through authorized vender)
2 year free updates, then $700ish. No penalty for skipping updates I'm aware of.



Who has used either as their main scanner? My big question now is with their graphing quality. If they graph well (doesn't have to be as good as snap-on), buying snap-on is out.
 

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I have an Autel 908 pro and I'm a weekend warrior/DIY guy. It boots quickly, has OBD1 and euro connectors and scans fairly quick. Like others have said, the graphing is subpar compared to snap On. There just isn't as much detail. Also another gripe I have is data lists that aren't saved when you exit a menu. Having to reselect data pids is frustrating. The autel menus are also a little wonky (as in I don't always know where to look for certain tests, etc.)

The troubleshooter in snap On products is a really nice feature and worth quite a bit in my opinion. I've had a verus and a Modis before.

That being said, the Autel is no slouch and is a great value. Also seems solid, as I haven't had any hiccups with it yet And the tablet has a nice touch screen with rubber bumpers on the corners.
 

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I have an issue with the ETHOS, being that is doesn't have troubleshooter (not paying snapon money and not getting it, and it does not list bi-directional control. I can't take a step back on that.]

The original Ethos+ does not have bi directional controls. The Pro and the Tech do but you are correct the Troubleshooter is missing. Because of that the updates cost half as much. The software is the same as the Solus Ultra just on a smaller screen. It also has Euro for no extra money and a keyless adapter. The Pro does ODB1 the Tech does not. But the Tech comes with updates for 3 years.

It is basically Snap On's response to the Autel and Launch tools so they have an offering at that price point. I trust Snap On software more than I trust Chinese reverse engineering. That is just my opinion. I just wanted to give you an option that meets your stated criteria.
 
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I have an issue with the ETHOS, being that is doesn't have troubleshooter (not paying snapon money and not getting it, and it does not list bi-directional control. I can't take a step back on that.]

The original Ethos+ does not have bi directional controls. The Pro and the Tech do but you are correct the Troubleshooter is missing. Because of that the updates cost half as much. The software is the same as the Solus Ultra just on a smaller screen. It also has Euro for no extra money and a keyless adapter. The Pro does ODB1 the Tech does not. But the Tech comes with updates for 3 years.

It is basically Snap On's response to the Autel and Launch tools so they have an offering at that price point. I trust Snap On software more than I trust Chinese reverse engineering. That is just my opinion. I just wanted to give you an option that meets your stated criteria.


Ah, gotcha. I'll speak with my dealer about this option as well.

Thanks for your input.
 

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I would go with the edge. We had one and I loved it. I'm a verus man though. That was my money maker.

We had the maxidas. It was a *************. Sat in the bottom drawer of my scanner cart forever lol.
 
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Ordered a MS906 from AESWave this morning. After I get comfortable with it, I'll post up another thread with a review.
 
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