thefairlaneman
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Im going to leave my garage door open one night soon and wait in the back till a thief comes in............Sooner or later im "going to catch me one"
I plan to catch me one
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Yess sir thats my planthefairlaneman said:
Big_John
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A local guy did that a number of years ago...he pulled a gun on the guy that came in...who turned out to be a cop.
thefairlaneman said:
Stick your toolbox in the opening...that should lure the crooks quicker.
There is a house around the way from me. They ALWAYS leave their door open. It will be snowing out and the freaking door is open. My friend and I always joke about how many animals must be camped out in there...
Johns57
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In DC, it should only take one night. Hope you don't have to wait too long.
russlaferrera
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Then what. Unless you kill him, he will say he was lost, looking for directions. Then SUE YOU!! Remember he has rights. What about the 2nd, 3rd etc. same deal?thefairlaneman said:
No I am not a pacifist. If it were up to me two shots 1st in the gene pool (do not want anymore of his kind) 2nd in the leg ( want him to walk with a limp so I can catch him) ....russ
logical
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Do American TV viewers a favor and set up a video camera first. Bonus points if you sit out there without a shirt and get good and drunked up first.thefairlaneman said:
russlaferrera
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Nathan, You are right! I would not have to shoot twice. One shot to the balls and I would think no one would be able to run. I could not. Do you think you could? Your thoughts on this please....russJMURiz said:
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If I ever do catch me one, I will not let him leave till the cops arrive,,,,,,,,,He can wait unshot or shot makes no differance to me
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thefairlaneman said:
It will matter when you are the one they cuff and stuff. As a citizen you can only use equivalent force, police are the only ones that can legally go 1 step above equivalent force to get the upper hand. From the cuff and stuff its jail and time to call the lawyer. If they file charges, or if you get off from the charges are another thing all together.
russlaferrera
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Getting serious, most state laws require the owner/victim to be in fear of his/her life to justify deadly force. A thief carting away a 100# toolbox is NOT a threat to your safety/harm/loss of life.
If you read the news paper, you will find many stories on how victims have been sued by criminal and have WON in court because they were bit by the owner's dog. They were shot running away.. One guy set up a shotgun to a door knob (he was robbed several times) when the thief broke in "BOOM ", did not kill him. He sued ,won a lot of money. Reason given he was bated and he posed no threat to anyones life. But what about the stolen property? I guess the owner should have blew a horn , flashed on all his house lights , called 911, or helped him load the car.
IMHO if the fairlaneman were to carry out his plan and his post was made public record. He would go to jail. The lawyers fees would be 2-3 times of what the guy would have stolen . If he was lucky. ...russ
If you read the news paper, you will find many stories on how victims have been sued by criminal and have WON in court because they were bit by the owner's dog. They were shot running away.. One guy set up a shotgun to a door knob (he was robbed several times) when the thief broke in "BOOM ", did not kill him. He sued ,won a lot of money. Reason given he was bated and he posed no threat to anyones life. But what about the stolen property? I guess the owner should have blew a horn , flashed on all his house lights , called 911, or helped him load the car.
IMHO if the fairlaneman were to carry out his plan and his post was made public record. He would go to jail. The lawyers fees would be 2-3 times of what the guy would have stolen . If he was lucky. ...russ
RonBou
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How about putting a BIG hammer in the theifs hand? After shooting him of course. Kidding aside. I would only shoot if I felt threatened...detached garage is O.K. If he woke me from a sound sleep in my bedroom. BANG! BANG! No questions asked.
ersatzs2
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russlaferrera said:
Actually this is changing a lot right now in real time. Google "The Castle Doctrine" It is in effect in 22 states and gaining momentum. Basically says that you can defend your home (and I suppose your garage) with deadly force against any intrusion, regardless of intruder's motives or how they are armed. This is in distinction to the "duty to retreat" that has prevailed in recent years. (just updated myself at Wikipedia)
That said (and we are an armed household as well) as a practical matter I would sure avoid ever firing a shot unless genuinely in fear of life/limb just because even if ultimately justifiable it will cost you years of time and money in court. I once read, "imagine a tiny lawyer riding atop every round..."
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I would imagine NJ is not one of those states?
Isn't it true that, in some states (maybe TX), you can shoot if they come on your property in general? I thought I remembered hearing that on the Cops TV show once.
Blue
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Sounds like it pays to keep a spare handgun lying around. Something that you can plant in the crooks hand after you kill him.
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bmwpower said:
You imagine right. NJ is among the most restrictive states wrt firearms.
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No knowledge of that. But opponents of the Castle Doctrine seem to worry about that kind of scope creep: where does your domain begin and end...
russlaferrera
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Not true Vermont has a carry permit (drivers license) It is valid in 90% of the states ( of course not NJ). You never hear of anything weird from that state. They also have a low crime rate Everyone has 1 or 2 guns. I guess it's like robbing a bar where police hang out.D-Cal said:
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Now DC, you have a better than average chance getting shot than in Iraq.
IMHO most people who have carry permits are not involved in shootings. They are made aware of what to do and not to do. Most times just walk away from a conflict is the best and cheapest thing to do. How can you argue in court,"he was walking away, I went after him and he shot me ".
Vincent Vega
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I would love to find the #%#@$ that stole about 500.00 worth of tools last October. It was my fault for not securing my garage and locking up my tools. The cops were completely useless. They are more interested in busting 16 year olds for drinking than catching thieves who steal from taxpayers.
C_F
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If you shoot the guy, make it a head shot, bury him behind the garage, pour a new "garage addition" foundation there & build away!
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hey what happined to the other coment I made in this thread? wuts sup with that,,,,,,,,I swear I had another post here and now its gone.....that *****
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Hey I feel your anger, When the cops showed up after my shop was broken in to. I told them next time I planed to shoot the crooks, The cops said what I was suppose to do was call 911,I said ok ,but while waiting on them to arrive I wasnt planning on just sitting by and WATCHING THE THIEVES LEAVE WITH MY STUFF, that wasnt going to happinVincent Vega said:
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Hey I feel your anger, When the cops showed up after my shop was broken in to, I told them next time I planed to shoot the crooks, The cops said what I was suppose to do was call 911. I said ok ,but while waiting on them to arrive I wasnt planning on just sitting by and WATCHING THE THIEVES LEAVE WITH MY STUFF, that wasnt going to happin not with me alive and not out of ammoVincent Vega said:
A rural area here, pretty much the "wild west". We used to have a store here, but it burned down about 15 years ago. It was run by a singularly independent woman whose name I won't mention. I'll just call her "Lucy".
One day, there was a guy whose elevator didn't go all the way to the top in the store. He was a local institution; I'll just call him "Ed", as in "Special Ed".
Ed was drunk, and was hanging around the store. He was sparing no opportunity to tick Lucy off. He would go into the store and pretend he was stealing stuff. Lucy was not amused, and told him several times to leave. He ignored her, and was getting more obnoxious by the minute.
She finally called the Sheriff's Dept. The SO said they would send someone out to remove him when they had a chance. Hours went by, and more calls to the SO.
When Ed went behind the counter and started messing with the register, she called again and told them "If you aren't going to do your job, I'll do it myself". They asked "how"? She said, "with my .357".
They said, "Ma'am, you shouldn't say things like that, because if anything happens to him, we'll come looking for you". She said, "you won't have to look far, because I'll be standing right over him, making sure all the slugs took".
The sirens could be heard before she hung up the phone...
One day, there was a guy whose elevator didn't go all the way to the top in the store. He was a local institution; I'll just call him "Ed", as in "Special Ed".
Ed was drunk, and was hanging around the store. He was sparing no opportunity to tick Lucy off. He would go into the store and pretend he was stealing stuff. Lucy was not amused, and told him several times to leave. He ignored her, and was getting more obnoxious by the minute.
She finally called the Sheriff's Dept. The SO said they would send someone out to remove him when they had a chance. Hours went by, and more calls to the SO.
When Ed went behind the counter and started messing with the register, she called again and told them "If you aren't going to do your job, I'll do it myself". They asked "how"? She said, "with my .357".
They said, "Ma'am, you shouldn't say things like that, because if anything happens to him, we'll come looking for you". She said, "you won't have to look far, because I'll be standing right over him, making sure all the slugs took".
The sirens could be heard before she hung up the phone...
russlaferrera said:
Oh really?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-24-teacher-shot_x.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/24/national/main1933752.shtml
Vermont has one of the smallest populations, I think that has more to do with it. But you justify your gun love anyway you feel the need to.
Not true. The only people allowed to legally cross state lines with a concealed weapon(pistol), are law enforcement officers. Pistol permits (and in Jersey's case, rifle permits) are on a state to state basis. The requirements for full carry in Texas (the ability to breath) is very different than the requirements in NY (an application, a reason, and an approval for a license), or as you say VT (a driver's license).russlaferrera said:
gerry
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In Jackson, Ms, years ago there was a convience stor owner who had been robbed 6 times by the same guy. Back then, stores had an ice storage freezer with an external door for the customer to get his bag ice. There was a door on the inside for loading the freezer. Anyway the robber always put the owner inside the freezer during the robbery. Outside door was padlocked because the store no loner sold ice. Thouroughly fed us with being robbed wvery few days, he bought a mil surplus MI carbine, and leaned it up in the corner in the freezer. Next time he was robbed, the robber followed his routine and put the owner in the icebox and dropped a wire in the hasp. The owner simply cracked the outside door and waited until the robber stepped outside with the loot, and then shot the robber. Dead when he hit the ground. Police arrested the owner for premeditated murder because he obviously planned to kill his roobber ahead of time. Old man was in prison last time I heard anything about him. Moral of the story, the local law may not agree with your methods and you may be the one going to jail. Be careful and think everything through before commiting yourself to something you cannot undo. BTW, Jackson was high precentage black, old man was white. That was enough to send the old man to jail in the present day where everything that happens to a minority is racialy motivated and the white man is to blame
russlaferrera
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If I am wrong I apologize. I Googled my info at WWWtoxicz28 said:
acking.org under Vermont....russchaingang
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Carrying a pistol and carrying a concealed pistol are two very different things. In Georgia you can legally have a gun on you if it is in plain site, they don't like it very much, it can also be on the seat of a vehicle. If you wish to hide it on your person you must have a concealed carry permit and it must be holstered. It cannot be tucked into your waistband unless in a paddle holster. Pocketbooks, briefcase, dufflebag etc... all require a permit. In the dash, console, under the seat or other out of sight places require a permit also. I believe Georgia has had discussions with neighboring states about recognizing each others permits but as far as I know there is no agreement yet. Georgia does have some of the most lax gun laws which I personally think is great. One small town even requires residents to own a gun. The Brady gun reform site will tell you all about each states gun laws and gives them a grade. This is one time I am glad to say we are getting a failing grade.
One small town even requires residents to own a gun. The Brady gun reform site will tell you all about each states gun laws and gives them a grade. This is one time I am glad to say we are getting a failing grade.KingPerformance
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if you break into my house, and I feel threatened don't expect a rifle, or some hand gun. Video of unit in use.
Just one of many ... and yes, the whole family knows how to use this tool an all the other tools similar to it properly.
Just one of many ... and yes, the whole family knows how to use this tool an all the other tools similar to it properly.
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ersatzs2 said:
We have the "Make My Day" Law in Colorado. If someone enters your property and you are threatened, you can use deadly force.
FL_Javelin
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Pretty much the same here in my county in SW FL. Once a fleeing burgalar was shot and the home owner was exonerated. Bottom line is this key phrase, "I was in fear for my life".Sierra Stud said:
what about just plain beating the living snot out of one? then basically, "they tripped on the concrete while trying to run out wiht stuff" line to the police? once you beat the living snot out of someone in that instance, they will think twice next time they want to rob someone. Shooting them is just doing them a favor.. making them suffer is where it pays..
but seriously, catching them and beating them should be held against you as you are defending your property, privacy. he shouldn't be able to sue for assault. if so, then what rights does a person have to protect their own? The police cannot be everywhere all the time, we should be able to do something without having to worry about the "he said, she said"..
but seriously, catching them and beating them should be held against you as you are defending your property, privacy. he shouldn't be able to sue for assault. if so, then what rights does a person have to protect their own? The police cannot be everywhere all the time, we should be able to do something without having to worry about the "he said, she said"..