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bmwpower

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How small should I go and still be useful? What dimensions?

I want to add a vise to the table.
The table will be contructed of a steel plate top (what thickness is good?) and some sort of metal legs.
The table will be mounted on casters so I can move it around, maybe with some sort of system to raise the casters off the ground or bring securing feet down to keep the table stable on the floor.
 
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Man, it all depends on what you're welding. One question would be, where will you store it when you're not using it? As for the vise, I like the receiver hitch idea, you could put the vise under the table upside down when not in use and maybe roll it under a worksurface to be out of the way. If you build the legs with square tube, you could do a slip fit deal and have the casters offset to the inside of the table. This way it could be short enough to fit under a work surface, but when you want to weld, roll it out and raise the legs to a comfortable height and just slide a bolt thru the hole and it's secure on the floor.
 

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Ah, something I can help with!!!
First, realize these are my personal preferences, and vary widely depending on your tastes.

Size: I would not go with anything less than 2'X3', I really like my 3'X4', but I work on a lot of heavy Jeep parts. You want a size that will be large enough to be stable when you set HEAVY things on it.

Top: I would not go with anything less than 1/4", with 3/8 or 1/2 being preferable. Remember you may be drilling/tapping this for jig setups.

Legs: either tube or angle work well, don't skimp here, make them STURDY. Also make sure they are braced by the use of an under-shelf or other support.

Other features: things like under-shelving, torch holders, cable holders, and a place to store you welder/gas tank are all really nice features.

There's a great welding forum that has lots of tables/carts, I would check out here:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/
 

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bmwpower said:
How small should I go and still be useful? What dimensions?

I want to add a vise to the table.
The table will be contructed of a steel plate top (what thickness is good?) and some sort of metal legs.
The table will be mounted on casters so I can move it around, maybe with some sort of system to raise the casters off the ground or bring securing feet down to keep the table stable on the floor.

I assume you've seen mine. It is 3X4 and has two small casters and adjustable feet on the other two. The casters don't move up as you suggested on mine as I thought it was too expensive and not necessary for my kind of welding. If you use casters, be sure to select a wheel that won't burn when it rolls over a piece of hot slag, and don't choose casters that will mar whatever floor you choose. Test your design for stability as well, especially the caster and or foot design. My table works well as a stable platform on which to weld, hammer, etc.

My belief is that small tables can be useful, but they need space around them (or the ability to move them to the center of the work area as needed). Mine is about as small as I could make it and still feel useful.

You should give some thought to the height of the table surface. If you are tall, for example, you should make it higher than the "normal" cabinet height. One way to get to your optimum height is to try different surfaces in your house to see how you'd like working on that surface height as a welding table. The welding process you will primarily use also affects optimum height: for TIG, you will want something that is a bit higher than you might need for MIG (this is because of the size and way that the different torches or guns are typically used). Consider that most weldors want to be braced somehow when they are welding so they can concentrate on controlling the weld puddle instead of their balance. That means that the best working height is also partly a function of whatever stool you will want to use while welding. It should go without saying that the stool should have fabric, or worse, plastic, on the seating area.

I used a 1/4" steel top for mine, which was about all I wanted to afford at the time. Bigger is better, but too thick means it will be impossible to move around easily on small casters, and will get stuck outside in the gravel if you ever need to move it out there. Some people like the "acorn" style which has square holes in the top to make fixturing easier. You'd have to buy or make special fixtures to make these work, and the top and fixtures are pretty pricey. I think they also make dust go more places, but if I had to fixture more I might think differently.

Put your vise on the outside corner and make sure it is one that rotates so you can use it to hold weldments in a variety of ways that make the welding job easier. The best welds will always result from a weldment that is positioned correctly to weld. Choose a vise that will withstand the hammering it will get.

You'll find it useful to have a drawer or two dedicated to the welder(s) and that area as part of the table. Plan your design accordingly. Plan for a place to store wire as well, either in spools or as lengths or rods, depending on the process you select. I built my table with integrated holders for the 5-lb containers of welding wire I tend to buy. The tops of each container are color coded, so I know just by looking which ones to pull up if I need aluminum, stainless, etc. You'll also want to plan for where to store your welding helmets, magnetic holders, welding blankets, etc. For example, if your table is 4 feet deep and you are going to store your helmets above the table, reaching them is going to be am issue unless you are really NBA material. My point is that the table can be designed to store these things, and moving the table will also mean that the necessary tools you'll need will be traveling with you.

Painting or powdercoating the table makes cleanup easier, and, if painted in the right colors, makes the table seem more integrated with the rest of the garage. I believe Lista sells touchup paint for their cabs- you could take some of that and get a match at the local powder coater. Only the top surface should remain unpainted, preferably still in the mill finish it came with. If you end up welding things to the table and grinding them off later, you'll need to plan for managing rust on the surface; avoid that if possible.

Plan what you want to store underneath the table and design accordingly. My plan was always to store the TIG welder under the table so I could weld without even moving the welder. If you will need access to the welder front panel, design it so you can see the controls but so that they will tend not to be bumped by passersby. Mine is oriented (by design) on the side that is relatively open by sees no traffic so it's accessible but hard to bump.

Plan to place the welding table where you are going to weld. That implies that power is or will be near the area. You can use extension cords as needed (we made a 6-gauge 50-amp cord for our welder so we'd have lots of flexibility when we wanted to weld farther from the power outlet.)

Understand your welding process. If you are using TIG, you don't need a lot of protection for nearby things. If you are MIG welding, spatter will be a problem and flooring, nearby cabinets and anything else will need to be protected. A similar precaution applies to the inevitable grinding that every welding area has. Understand where the grinding dust will go so cleanup will be easier. For example, don't plan to place a welding table near a part of the garage that has your newly painted BMW M1 in the next stall without a plan to move it out of the way when doing even a quick job. Same goes for any area that will be hard to reach to clean.

Plan for proper grounding in advance. You might weld on a couple of studs on the bottom of the top for a ground clamp to use. Be sure they are masked off when painting or powdercoating.

A welding table is usually the first project one undertakes with a new welder (it was mine, anyway!), so have fun with it!

-Will

PS: if you use the hitch receiver idea, be sure you try it out with actual pieces you might weld. Locating the vise below the normal top height (as it would be if mounted underneat the top) may make the vise too low for your requirements.
 

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Will, my idea on the hitch deal is that you use a drop hitch flipped upside down. That would raise it above the top. If you used 2x2 tube to support the top, you could leave the ends open, then you could put the vise at any corner. I'd do 2x2 tube, but kinda make it in a number sign pattern (i.e. #) so that you have 8 places to place the vise and with no return on the bottom, it makes it easier to clamp to the table surface.
 

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1320stang said:
Will, my idea on the hitch deal is that you use a drop hitch flipped upside down. That would raise it above the top. If you used 2x2 tube to support the top, you could leave the ends open, then you could put the vise at any corner. I'd do 2x2 tube, but kinda make it in a number sign pattern (i.e. #) so that you have 8 places to place the vise and with no return on the bottom, it makes it easier to clamp to the table surface.


I see. I like the idea of the pattern as well- that way you get max flexibility and could even mount other things in the tubes as well, like custom fixture tools that would fit in the tubes.

You'd have to have a pretty tight fit for the drop hitch or else it would wobble wouldn't it? My ball mount in my tow vehicle rattles. I could shim it but I only think of it when I'm on the road going somewhere.

-Will
 

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toolfreak said:
I am wanting to make a welding table that is 3'x5' with atleast a 1/2" steel top. Here is a link to millerwelds where there is detailed instructions for a welding table.

http://www.millerwelds.com/education/projects/weld_table/

Their idea of welding small lengths of pipe on the underside of the top for bending is an interesting one and a new one to me.

Now I've learned two things today!

-Will
 

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Ooooo - acorn tables are nice. Very nice.

There is a place in New England that offers re-furbished acorn tables for reasonable prices. They might even be in MD or NJ - I can't recall, but I was looking at a fairly large (5'X10'?), refurbished acorn table for $1200 about a year ago. Hard to beat that (as long as you don't have to ship it). I never bought it as I already have a HD table but I still want an acorn table. They are hard to beat for set-ups.

Scott
 

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I finished these tables last month for a couple friends. I used
2'x3'x3/4" plate with 2 1/2" sq tube frame (1/4"wall). They have
I' sq tube on two sides to hang tools, and 1/8" plate for a shelf.
I used pipe to make recievers for the vise so it could be rolled
out of the way or removed when needed. Table top is 36" off the
floor. The wheels are from Grizzley (2"x8") with 2 locking wheels.
I would use locking on all their only $20 ea. The tables roll great!
I thought they would be a little small, but have worked out great.
Good luck, Rich
 

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When I used to rent a place, I asked on a welding newsgroup and someone suggested to use a black and decker workmate with a piece of table top clamped on.

That's what I did, I clamped on a piece of MDF and do my weekend welding projects. I had a vise on it, but wasn't even bolted down. I fabricated 3 catback systems with this temporary setup. Though the MDF burns a bit so sheet metal on top to take the heat would solve the problem. Folds and put away when done. So it depends how much you weld I guess.. Even though I have a garage now I think I will continue to setup this for welding. It's portable so I would deploy the table away from things I don't want to burn up..

Here is a pic that shows what I am talking about..
 

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Way to many combustables around your welding area!

All those cardboard boxes! One hot slag piece will smolder for hours and then ****!

Be carefull!!
 
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66RICH said:
I finished these tables last month for a couple friends. I used
2'x3'x3/4" plate with 2 1/2" sq tube frame (1/4"wall). They have
I' sq tube on two sides to hang tools, and 1/8" plate for a shelf.
I used pipe to make recievers for the vise so it could be rolled
out of the way or removed when needed. Table top is 36" off the
floor. The wheels are from Grizzley (2"x8") with 2 locking wheels.
I would use locking on all their only $20 ea. The tables roll great!
I thought they would be a little small, but have worked out great.
Good luck, Rich

That size and design looks just about right. I like the vise mount, too!
 

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toms73novass said:
Way to many combustables around your welding area!

All those cardboard boxes! One hot slag piece will smolder for hours and then ****!

Be carefull!!

I know :( that was the only space I had to back use then, better than in the bedroom I guess... The brown blanket is a welding tarp and was sliding off in the picture. In my own garage will have much more space with exhaust fan etc :thumbup: And I pretty much don't have card board boxes.
 

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make the "frame" out of c channel or some box, but weld a 1/4 MINIMUM top. Alot of times when I am welding, I will tack something to the table to hold it in place. A real cheesy tack that a light hit from a chisel will easily remove. You are going to want to grind the top of the table smooth every once in a while as well, so you want to allow for that when determining the thickness.

Jim
 

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somone gave me mine......there's few things i'd like to change.....

it has and i like
-sturdy pipe legs
-has a pc. of heavy angle iron welded to the edge of the table (to weld round things in)
-has a place for a smaller vise (all you need for most welding projects)....my large vised is on a pc of pipe welded to a tire rim....good and portable..
-good sized around 2 1/2 X 2 1/2 (great for most projects
-casters would probably be better but it has a nut welded into the bottoms of the pipe lege and a bolt with a thick pc of flat steel onto the head of the bolt for leveling the table)
-the height is a little more than waste leve....which i like.....i can get right down and look at what i'm welding...

don't like about it
-it only has 3/16 or 1/4" top.....i think it bowed when they welded the legs on...i was using the torch on it heating parts and it made it worse.....i'd say a min. of 3/8" and would prefer 1/2"
-need to add a bar for hanging vise grips and c-clamps
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bmw....sorry for the hijack but...

what other projects do you have around there.......i like those tables..

66RICH said:
I finished these tables last month for a couple friends. I used
2'x3'x3/4" plate with 2 1/2" sq tube frame (1/4"wall). They have
I' sq tube on two sides to hang tools, and 1/8" plate for a shelf.
I used pipe to make recievers for the vise so it could be rolled
out of the way or removed when needed. Table top is 36" off the
floor. The wheels are from Grizzley (2"x8") with 2 locking wheels.
I would use locking on all their only $20 ea. The tables roll great!
I thought they would be a little small, but have worked out great.
Good luck, Rich
 

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ron in sc said:
Those are really nice. That vise mount is an excellent idea. Have you considered making them to sell? If so I may be a buyer.

Problem is always going to be shipping, right? I was thinking of trotting over to the local welding shop with a photo. I'd still like to find a 'brute' table from American Grinding. They crop up on ebay every now and then, but always too far away to ship...
 

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Thank's for the comments guy's ! I only do local work, and the
shipping is a pain. I'm retired, and do local weld, fab work to
stay busy.

Here's another table, was meant to be lay out table with
removable top so it could be small frame jig. I'ts pretty
much a dedicated layout table now. Very heavy!

Rich
 

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Here's a later pic with the drawers added, and a tool post
holder.
Rich
 

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