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Bought this yesterday (new). It's 1/2 drive but lets see who can make a positive ID and COO. Good luck,lol
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Nope not Kobalt. 31 veiws and only one brave enough to guess, lol
Fedwrench
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I'd say it's a SF80 from Snap on that skipped the marking station.
bestatv
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Autozone ratchet?
kc-steve
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At first, it looked like a Craftsman "made in Taiwan" ratchet, but no, the handle isn't quite right and a pearhead. But I'll stick with Taiwan as the COO.
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Travisnd
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Duralast is my guess
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It's a Snap-On SF80. Had to make a short trip out of town and saw a dealer and picked this up. Very nice ratchet. Got it for 150.00 no tax. My first 80 tooth Snap-On. I want more,lol
HandyManny
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Okay, so what's it's COO?? I didn't see one stamped on that new Snap-On. When did the O in Snap-On start looking like a backwards C??
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shotgunfatcat
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You had me looking all morning, I was like man, that sure looks like a dual 80, but I didn't think you would get one and play with my mind like that. And the way to almost tell, would have been the "do not immerse in fluids" with the "pat. pending" and "replace worn parts", which means it is sealed and has a patent.
Happy you finally got one Mr.holeshot, all my ribbing must have paid off....
Happy you finally got one Mr.holeshot, all my ribbing must have paid off....
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The bolts going through the plate gave it away.
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You had me looking all morning, I was like man, that sure looks like a dual 80, but I didn't think you would get one and play with my mind like that. And the way to almost tell, would have been the "do not immerse in fluids" with the "pat. pending" and "replace worn parts", which means it is sealed and has a patent.
Happy you finally got one Mr.holeshot, all my ribbing must have paid off....
Yeah I figured I'd be playing a little mind game on that one. As with all my Snap-On hand tools it's pretty much what I expect quality wise. I've been wanting one but my local dealer that works the area around my home is a doushbag. While it is nice and I really needed this one The fit and finish doesn't seem as nice as my older SF936 when I got them. The older ones seemed to have a jewelery quality to them. It could be I never paid as much attention to them before because they went from the truck right into service. It is nice, I'm happy with it and I'm going to pick up a F80 soon. Just didn't have the cash on me to get both.
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Guessing from the chrome Taiwan I think, lol They have had the backwards C for years
HandyManny
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That's another thing I noticed it was missing - a date code symbol. Snap-On marks their hand tools with one. Doubt it's counterfiet if he bought it off the truck though.
shotgunfatcat
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Yeah, I don't know what it is, the chrome does look nice on them, but some of my older wrenches compared to my new ones (I just got a metric flank drive plus set) look a lot better, maybe because they are worn a bit, oh well. They still look nice.
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For 150 dollars it better not be, lol. I was surprired not to see more markings especially around the handle. Just SF80 the only other thing was Snap-On on the head. It is smooth, I'll give it that.
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The COO is China obviously. If you were to buy a Matco 88 tooth ratchet (which actually are made in the USA) you wouldn't even use that dual 80
No Matco guys in my area, Almost as rare as Cornwell
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My older ones look like Nickel Chrome, This one looks like the same chrome as my Duralast ratchets (not a bad thing) but I think I like the old chrome better. I compared the chrome to a new unused 12 year old Snap-On 9mm wrench and there is a differance in the chome. The 9mm has been sitting in a desk drawer since new. Could be changes in EPA but the chrome still looks nice. Just hope it doesn't flake.
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Ok, time for a whole write up; shoot out etc. 
I think the chrome issue; maybe related to the new chrome process they are using trivalent and nickle chrome plating. This new process is supposed to be more environmentally friendly; I assume this process passes EPA standards easily.... check this video out for a look at the process.
Here is some info from wikipedia about trivalent chrome plating; that caught my eye....
advantages: greater production, less toxic, less energy, less overhead and not as heavily regulated...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_plating
Another page talks about the two process and said this:
"To more closely resemble the functionality of hard chromium plating, pulse current plating has been used in a trivalent chromium solution. However, these thicker trivalent chromium finishes have not quite matched the corrosion resistance of a functional hexavalent chromium finish."
Sounds like the new trivalent process is not quite the quality or looks that hexavalent process provided before. Much more info below:
http://www.newmoa.org/prevention/p2tech/TriChromeFinal.pdf
I think the chrome issue; maybe related to the new chrome process they are using trivalent and nickle chrome plating. This new process is supposed to be more environmentally friendly; I assume this process passes EPA standards easily.... check this video out for a look at the process. Here is some info from wikipedia about trivalent chrome plating; that caught my eye....
advantages: greater production, less toxic, less energy, less overhead and not as heavily regulated...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_plating
Another page talks about the two process and said this:
"To more closely resemble the functionality of hard chromium plating, pulse current plating has been used in a trivalent chromium solution. However, these thicker trivalent chromium finishes have not quite matched the corrosion resistance of a functional hexavalent chromium finish."
Sounds like the new trivalent process is not quite the quality or looks that hexavalent process provided before. Much more info below:
http://www.newmoa.org/prevention/p2tech/TriChromeFinal.pdf
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They're selling for $161 on Snap-On website, so you got a steal on that one.
And no tax which would have been another 12+ dollars
briggsguy17
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Hey guys, new guy here. The new Snap On ratchets don't say made in USA anymore. My last Snap On guy told me the reason was that the dual 80 mechanism is made in Japan, something about a broken or worn machine at the Snap On plant? Everything else is still made here. Anyway, great forum. You will be seeing more of me!!!
shotgunfatcat
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What about the other tools? Nice to have you hear, and great first post!
Oh and please add your location!
HandyManny
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Welcome aboard
Funny, we heard from another member recently who's sales guy told him the internals were made in Spain. I think we've narrowed it down to those ratchets not being 100% USA made, but it's still hazy as to where the guts are sourced from or who makes them for Snap-On.
To me those ratchets should still have USA stamped on them since they are forged, milled, plated and final assembly done here. It can still legally say USA on it without specifying Made in USA.
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Didn't think the no USA thing would bother me much on a Snap-On ratchet but it bothers me somewhat. I don't mind outsorced tools but I've come to expect the USA on my favorite tools. The markings are very suttle and I only wonder how long it will be before they kust have S-O on them. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ratchet but I feel a bit betrayed by Snap-On. If you didn't know anything about brand names of tools you would think the quality of the Duralast was equal quality. The only ratchets Ive bought lately have been Craftsman. Even the Gearwrench are not marked.
You knew this before you dropped $150 on it though?
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Not really. I knew about the lack of marks but didn't know it would bother me as much as it did. More disapointment than buyers remorce. I'll have to think much harder before buying another new one. I may pick up a used one at about 50% but I don't think it was worth 150 dollars. I would have taken a USA marked SF936 over this one without a second thought.
That's what I did, got some deals on unused dual 80s. It does not feel so bad that way. I did buy a SHLF80 full price though.
billymade
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mrholeshot, sell it on ebay and you probably will get most of your money back; many times, they sell for more then retail!
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mrholeshot, sell it on ebay and you probably will get most of your money back; many times, they sell for more then retail!
I need it, I'm happy with it but not enthusiastic. I'd probably be a little less disappointed if it was something that was getting a daily workout. I think the best way to describe it is previous Snap-On USA felt so top notch. These feel generic. Hard to describe.
Charles (in GA)
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Which sounds like a classic BS story from SO. Surely there is at least one company in the entire US that could step up to the plate and manufacture the parts, or one company who could manufacture a new machine for SO.
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All the more reason to buy a Duralast if you want a top notch ratchet without feeling guilty for paying too much. OUCH!!!
eborcim
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X2 for Charles (in GA) You know, there are plenty of tool and die companies in the US that could have supplied that same piece.
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All the more reason to buy a Duralast if you want a top notch ratchet without feeling guilty for paying too much. OUCH!!!
If Duralast had built a long handled flex, Snap-On would have lost this sale. I took a 90 mile round trip to buy a Wright. It was so horrible I bought a Craftsman version for 32 dollars. It's OK but no quite what I want for this application. I also needed a new long handle 1/2 which seems like it has become non exsistant in the tool world. I was going to weld the Craftsman at the flex but one of the members had a Duralast 1/2 all steel handle. When it arrives I'm going to cut the handle add 18 inches (old 1/2 inch extention to it. I'll have 18 dollars in a 26 inch handle ratchet. I doubt it will ever break where I'm using it
Oh.. Please explain.
HandyManny
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Yeah I want to hear about what was up with the Wright. But I suspect I already know, having owned and use many Wright tools, in comparison with others.
HandyManny
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Well fill us in
Okay, but it's going to start a war!! Here it goes. My own personal experience with Wright ratchets are that they are not that smooth, but they are a strong ratchet. I also notice with Wright is that their products seem to be pre-bang'd and ding'd up before they reach the customer, more than other brands are. It's as if the company takes no precaustions to protect the tools before reaching the cutomer. I've seen more beat-up brand new Wright tools than any other brand. Granted they are tools. Overall I prefere other brands of ratchets far over Wright, but that's just me. Not saying anything bad about their quality. So to all the Wright cult followers - no need to pop out of the woodwork with pitch forks and flame throwers to bash me for my comment about Wright. It's just not my personal preference for ratchets. I do own and use many Wright combo wrenches.
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