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So i found this quincy 325 compressor that's single phase with I'm not sure what hp marathon motor. I question what type of 325 pump it is as I've read there's different types. I'm looking for the one that can do 175psi here's some pictures. He was asking $650 so I think I could snatched it for 575-600


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Bump anyone ? The guys got it hooked up currently and says it runs great just to noise as it was right near where they were working. The tank measures 5 ft long by 24 inches wide so I would guess it's a 80-100gallon? He's pretty firm on the price at 650 bucks and it's a 5 hour drive
 

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That's a LIFETIME compressor for DIY home use . . . . you got enough demand to even give it a workout ??

Here's one that looks very similar running . . . real QUIET and NICE !!

Have you heard it run ?? How long to fill up tank from empty ??

Make sure it has SINGLE PHASE motor . . . . 7.5 HP better but 5 HP is fine.

If no warning flags, I'd say that is easily worth $500 to $600 if you can negotiate him down. Pull the trigger !! Likely never have chance again in life to get that nice compressor for the money.
 
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Haha borrowing the old lady's dad's truck. I'm up in the air on this compressor for the fact I hate that it's a horizontal tank that's 80 gallons. I got a small one car garage and with all the **** we got and my motorcycle it may take up to much space. But the plus side is its a quincy 325 with a 5hp single phase and a upright 60 gallon can be had to put it on..
 
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Does it look like the unloader is hooked up right from looking at other 325s on Google this one looks routed differently I know there's different ways but I don't know much about quincy besides this is a top of the line compressor
 

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SOLUTION: Pour concrete slab outside garage and build ventilated "dog house" lean-to that's big enough to service compressor and you're all set. In winter, put a little heater to keep above freezing and all will be good.

Seriously, you will never lose money on that compressor if you get between $500 and $600 . . . assuming no knocks, internal damage, etc.

I'd say you've found the one. Take the plunge !! :thumbup:
 

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What am I missing here? That is a steal. You should feel bad for robbing the man at 600. It's a good deal at twice the price.

If the tank holds air, and it doesn't make any banging noises pick it up.
 

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That model of Quincy is generally reputed to be the very best quality pump available in that size/hp range.

They do make some intake noise when running, which can be minimised by mounting a large automotive muffler on the wall near the compressor, making an adaptor sleeve to fit the air cleaner to the muffler, and fittings to run a fairly thick-wall rubber hose to the pump suction port, in place of the air cleaner.

Here's an example of such a setup, on my Saylor-Beall 705
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That muffler was a 'new-old-stock' WW2 military Jeep muffler, which turned up cheaply at a military vehicle meet, twenty-ish years ago. It works well, but the larger muffler for a Cadillac/Lincoln/Chrysler Imperial class of car would be even better, for sound damping.

The 325 pump is normally rated for 175 psi air.

That price would be considered 'a good fair deal' here on the west coast.

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Can anyone tell me how old this may be? And what's the 100 mean next to the 325 record of change?
 

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Can anyone tell me how old this may be? And what's the 100 mean next to the 325 record of change?

The 100 is the Record of Change (ROC). Anytime they made a change in the design they changed the ROC. This is how you can easily buy the correct parts for your pump. I have a ROC 104 and it was made in 1993 iirc. I'm not sure how often they made changes but I would guess that pump was made sometime in the 80's. If that tank is original there should be a date on the plate.

That is a great deal. It should be in your garage already.
 
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I have the choice between this compressor which I'll need a mag starter and disconnect box, or a older Emglo GT 2 stage 4 piston compressor that's in mint condition 60 gallon comes with a new Weg 5hp 184t motor, mag starter and guy said he would toss in a disconnect box all for 600 bucks. Pump makes 18.2cfm @125psi or 175 can't remember. Here's a picture of that compressor and it's local so I'm torn between the two.

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The vertical tank Emglo will be much more "space friendly" and Emglo makes(ed) good stuff. DeWalt bought them, took all the small compressor line and then spun off these larger compressors. Jenny, the steam cleaner people bought them (Jenny made the pumps for Emglo anyhow, so it was a no brainer for Jenny).

The 18+ CFM is about normal for 5 hp. The 60 gal tank is kinda small, but not a real issue. Unless you have a need for huge volume, I'd get the Emglo.

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I'm going to buy the eemglo sense it has a mag starter and he's tossing in a disconnect box, clean it up keep the mag starter and disconnect box and sell the compressor for more then I paid. I've been buying compressors and redoing them and turning big profits basically doubling my money and keeping parts. I prefer a 60 gallon as it's way bigger then I'll ever really need
 
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Where I live I know when I have the emglo all cleaned up I could list it for 850 as there 2100 new and take the first 775. I'm only paying 600 and I'll have a nice mag starter and disconnect box ready to go for my next compressor which hopefully that quincy will still be around I can't make the trip for 3 weeks
 
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Tell me what you guys think on this he says it has a 13.6in flywheel with a 8in pulley on the motor with 1745 rpms so with my math it should sspin 1044 rpms @ the pump and displace the 21.** cfm I think it delivers 18.2 @ 175 with the 8in pulley 15.2 with 7 in pulley


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If I am not mistaken I believe the compressor can be set up for continuous duty which means it runs all the time or set up for intervals at no more then 4 start ups per hour (unregulated by the amount of your air consumption)

the pump is capable of 175 as it sits, just adjust your pressure switch

to buy a compressor that size brand new is at least $1800 or more from quincy now. well worth the $650
 
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I'm going to buy the emglo as long as it checks out alright tmrw and the guy with the quincy called me and told me if I wanted it he would knock 100 bucks off so it would only cost me 550. I can't make it to get it for another 2 weeks so I told him if he still has it tthen and I sell the emglo before I'll be down to buy it
 

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At $550, you should not walk -- but RUN, to get that QR-25 Model 325. It is light years better-built than the Emglo and the topic as to which is superior shouldn't even be a discussion that occurs on this forum.

Major points:

  • The 325 is pressure-lubricated and runs unloaded until oil pressure is sufficient. The Emglo is likely splash-lubricated.
  • The 325 has replaceable wrist pin bushings and rod bearings. The Emglo is likely composed of disposable aluminum rods that encompass both the bearings and wrist pin bushings within.
  • The 325 uses concentric ring valves that can be quickly and inexpensively removed, inspected, rebuilt and replaced without removing the head. The Emglo uses (hopefully) a stainless finger valve plate with a pair of gaskets. While it may be faster to exchange, it simply won't last as long as the 325's concentric ring valves, nor when something breaks, will it remain contained within the valve. It will fall directly into the cylinder.
  • The 325 is well-documented and well-supported with easy-to-source parts (and service). The Emglo... anyone's guess.
  • The 325 is comfortable at 200 PSI. The Emglo is a frag waiting to happen at 175 PSI, and is probably best [sic] when driven closer to 135 PSI.

The 325 is simply easier to diagnose, easier to repair, built to last longer and perform better than the Emglo - at any comparable price range and especially at the ranges you've mentioned.

The 325 is a clean, cold-cut winner. Snag that pump ASAP!
 

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Both of these units are excellent machines and I would love to own either. If you think you can pick up a 325 for $550 any day of the week, then by all means sell it. You have an opportunity to own the finest reciprocating compressor ever built with the 325. Maybe it would make more sense to clean it up, double the price, buy the Emglo and pocket the difference? This assumes both are in ready to run condition. Even the best machines can be run to oblivion. You can't go wrong with either, but the 325 is the better machine, all things being equal.
 
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So i bought the emglo which was a nice compressor but the guy still had the quincy so I flipped the emglo and made 300 on top of the 600 I paid for it and kept the mag starter and disconnect box, I got the guy with the quincy down to $550 going to pick it up this Sunday. Somehow it's been on Craigslist for over a month and he said I've been the only person to call I think the ad wasn't coming up under compressors so I lucked out.

He says the tank doesn't have any pressure drops and holds tight and that it works flawlessly. It's got a true 5hp marathon electric 1745rpm 184t frame motor. So all I need to do is bring it home and wire in my mag starter and she's good to go. I plan to change the oil and pull the valves to clean them. Also going to repaint the entire compressor to give it a better look unless it cleans up well on its own.

Does anyone here have first hand experience on servicing the valves I herd that there's a certain way they need to bbe removed as to not damage something
 

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This guy did a complete rebuild on a 325 starting with this video. As long as it works and doesn't make any noise just run it.
 

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Does anyone here have first hand experience on servicing the valves I herd that there's a certain way they need to bbe removed as to not damage something

You can take the valve covers off without any concern by removing the four bolts at the corners of each cap. You have to be careful putting them back on. On caps with unloader towers, remove the tower by unscrewing it and then make sure the threaded ring is backed off so that it doesn't contact the valve body when torquing down the caps. Likewise, back off the set screws which retain the valves in the caps with no unloaders. The caps must be fully bolted down first, then the retainer rings and set screws are torqued down to hold the valves in place inside the head, then the unloader towers and large hex nuts are scewed on last. If you don't back all of these out before reinstalling the valve covers, you can split the covers when you tighten the cap bolts.

The retainer rings look like short pipe *******. There are two notches in the top to insert a special ring wrench which has two internal square teeth to engage the notches so you can back the rings out and tighten them back up. Most people do not have access to the ring wrench, so you can use a piece of key stock in the notch and use a pipe wrench or an adjustable wrench to turn it. The set screws and rings may be difficult to turn if there s rust. Take your time and use lots of penetrating oil.

The valves themselves are pretty simple affairs. They just unscrew apart. Don't lose the plungers or springs for the unloaders. You can lap the valve seats on a piece of glass with some wet and dry paper on it. Use a figure 8 motion and some lube. After you reassemble the valves, fill them with solvent and see if they hold it, or it leaks out. That will show you if they are in good shape. You can heat up and quench the copper ring gaskets under each valve, but generally all they need is a clean up and reinstall.

While you are in there have a look out for oil in the head or carbon build up. It is normal to have a light coat of oil film on the top of the lp piston since most compressors will take in some crankcase mist from the breather tube. Carbon build up is an indication of weak rings and improper oil. If there is a lot of carbon, remove the head and hot tank it. There is an internal air passage right down the middle of the head from the LP cylinder to the interstage that is impossible to clean by any other means.
 
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You can take the valve covers off without any concern by removing the four bolts at the corners of each cap.

All sound advice, but I'll add this part - you can easily break a valve cover plate by removing those four bolts while the valve is tensioned either by the set screw or the threaded ring/bushing. Best practice is to de-tension the valve by loosening the set screw/threaded ring, then remove the valve cover plate.

You have to be careful putting them back on. On caps with unloader towers, remove the tower by unscrewing it and then make sure the threaded ring is backed off so that it doesn't contact the valve body when torquing down the caps. Likewise, back off the set screws which retain the valves in the caps with no unloaders. The caps must be fully bolted down first, then the retainer rings and set screws are torqued down to hold the valves in place inside the head, then the unloader towers and large hex nuts are scewed on last. If you don't back all of these out before reinstalling the valve covers, you can split the covers when you tighten the cap bolts.

100% in agreement - a torque wrench is a critical tool for rebuilding a QR pump! There's a reason for the various torque specs, and it's not as an inconvenience. I can't stress enough how easy it is to split those valve cover plates. I recently rebuilt a QR-25 model 350 with a few friends and when we got past all the grime and build-up on the outside of the head, we found one valve cover plate that was brazed back together as well as an unloader tower that was brazed to its plate. Obviously, neither valve was tensioned correctly and the head was absolutely full of carbon chunks. They had also routed the pneumatic and hydraulic unloader lines from the pilot to the towers incorrectly such that it was sucking up oil from the crank case and depositing it into the head, then blowing it into the tank. They kept adding oil (probably 10w30 - incorrect) to keep it running, but the problem accelerated when the tank got so full of oil that it was just siphoning oil from the tank and crank case back into the tank. It was a clever [sic] arrangement that eventually kept them from using the pump. Interestingly, the guy who sold it said "Oh, it doesn't need to be rebuilt, she ran just fine last time she was on."

Very unlikely given at least two (of 6) valves weren't seated whatsoever.

The retainer rings look like short pipe *******. There are two notches in the top to insert a special ring wrench which has two internal square teeth to engage the notches so you can back the rings out and tighten them back up. Most people do not have access to the ring wrench, so you can use a piece of key stock in the notch and use a pipe wrench or an adjustable wrench to turn it. The set screws and rings may be difficult to turn if there s rust. Take your time and use lots of penetrating oil.

Mild steel flat bar welded across the flats of a large socket also works well!

The valves themselves are pretty simple affairs. They just unscrew apart. Don't lose the plungers or springs for the unloaders. You can lap the valve seats on a piece of glass with some wet and dry paper on it. Use a figure 8 motion and some lube. After you reassemble the valves, fill them with solvent and see if they hold it, or it leaks out. That will show you if they are in good shape. You can heat up and quench the copper ring gaskets under each valve, but generally all they need is a clean up and reinstall.

I personally use a surface inspection plate with 600-800-1200 grit wet paper + lapping compound on the valve seats and have had excellent success. I believe the valve rings are through-hardened, but haven't tested that (yet?) to confirm. I usually take them to the 800 grit with lapping compound to make sure they're absolutely flat as well - it's not often I find a new one that needs more than a few rubs at 800/1200 to be honest. The result may be a seal that's tighter than the original that came with the compressor.

At any rate, as soon as we settle from our move, I'm going to start a QR-25 model 5105 rebuild that's going into my garage. I and a friend took a small 3 hour trek and grabbed it for a song and a dance and it's practically mint on the inside by all initial indications. I'm going to document it and an X8 rebuild on GJ, perhaps that will help others along with what I've learned <not> to do.

Good luck, OP, you've got one of the finest!
 
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I had a nice torque wrench then someone stole it so I'll have to buy another I'm lucky I know a guy that rebuilds quincys and is local incase I need some help
 

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I had a nice torque wrench then someone stole it so I'll have to buy another I'm lucky I know a guy that rebuilds quincys and is local incase I need some help

100%, get the torque wrench. Don't rebuild one without it. Also, many "kits" you'll find online don't include new copper crush/sealing washers that are found on the head bolts (those that go through the head's center into the cylinder group. You can anneal the ones on the head, then lap them flat (or lap, then anneal, the difference is about the same in this use case), but I've found it's faster/easier/cheaper to just replace them.

There is also a torque pattern when putting the head back on. It's in the manual, and is equally important. There's no harm in removing the head, FWIW. I'd do it just to have it hot tanked and know I'm starting with a clean slate, so to speak.
 

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I used to rebuild these compressors for oilfield service rigs. they would throw any oil they could find in them, probably the same 15W40 they put in the Detroit diesels they used for the draw works. I'd pull off the valve cover caps and find a solid chunk of coal where the valves were. One particular unit had to be pulled apart several times on the test rig, as large chunks of carbon would break free from the intercooler and LP discharge port down the center of the head and come up onto the HP inlet valve. It had to be hot tanked before it would run properly. These were the compressor of choice for some of the largest oil companies on Earth, along with the Dresser, pressure lubed v-twin units, a compressor equally well built and tough as nails.
 

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I used to rebuild these compressors for oilfield service rigs. they would throw any oil they could find in them, probably the same 15W40 they put in the Detroit diesels they used for the draw works. I'd pull off the valve cover caps and find a solid chunk of coal where the valves were. One particular unit had to be pulled apart several times on the test rig, as large chunks of carbon would break free from the intercooler and LP discharge port down the center of the head and come up onto the HP inlet valve. It had to be hot tanked before it would run properly. These were the compressor of choice for some of the largest oil companies on Earth, along with the Dresser, pressure lubed v-twin units, a compressor equally well built and tough as nails.

You know, with your experience, should a detergent-based oil be used when a more modern Quincy QR-based, pressure-lubricated compressor utilizes an oil filter?

The difference being how dirt is suspended in the particulate of the oil, of course.

The non-detergent oil does not hold the contamination particulate in suspension, it is deposited (eventually) to the bottom of the crankcase (thus, the sludge often found in these compressors), vs. those with the oil filter where suspending the particulate in the detergent-based oil to be filtered may be superior.

In either case, I feel that fresh oil with a clean crankcase is certainly of more importance than the choice of detergent vs. non-detergent oil.

What type is the Synthetic Quin-Cip?
 

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The non-carbonization of the valves through the use of proper compressor oil far outweighs any advantages detergents may bring to the table. Detergents are used in engines to carry soot and other contaminants. A compressor has no combustion taking place inside it (hopefully!), so there is really no need for any dirt removal or solvent action. Sludge in the crankcase is a sign of a lack of use (oil breaking down by aging), improper oil selection, excessive moisture in the air, a very dirty operating environment or one with lots of noxious fumes like ammonia, mixing of incompatible oils and excessively hot or cold operating conditions. One oil I would definitely not recommend for compressors is Nuto, an industrial oil made by Esso. It was amazingly sludgy stuff, but it was cheap and abundant. I always knew when a compressor had been operated with it because it looked like chocolate inside. I sometimes had to dig the rings out of the pistons because they were seized solid in the grooves with hard, chalky brown residue. Interestingly enough, I once worked on two small hydrogen compressors which were used to bottle the gas for use in weather balloons at a meteorological station. The hydrogen had literally hydrogenated the lube oil into a margarine-like grease.

I always liked the spin-on filters on the Quincy. Such an excellent idea.

I'm not sure what Quin-Cip has in it, but as a synthetic, it will not burn under hard use like a conventional oil, so carbon build up will not be an issue.

Straight weight, non-detergent compressor oils are the best, low-cost lube for a reciprocating compressor. If you want to use a higher quality, higher cost synthetic, so much the better.
 
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