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bgott

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I've had Snap-on ratchets jump a tooth, you got to have the feel! Of course, it was the ratchet, not me being in a hurry and not paying attention to what I was doing. What I want to know is, how did you break a flare nut wrench? I've had 'em spread but they unspread back to size after I ruined the nut.
 
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sickytwisted

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I understand that some wrenches feel better in your hand than others, but I have been using Craftsman tools for well over 30 years doing restorations of '50's (and earlier) automobiles and have never broken a tool that I was not misusing (doing something that my high school shop teacher would have kicked my *** for doing) :thumbup:


Point taken. I'm not completely blaming the tool. My high school shop teacher always told us that we just had to be smarter than the tool we were using.
 

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There's a bunch of Proto big dawg ratchets for sale on ebay. Not 1/4 drives, maybe but 3/8 and 1/2. This seller is very fast and he packages the tools very carefully. He's got a lot of 3/8 standards available.

I really like these Big Dawgs. These pups are industrial strength.

RB
 
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sickytwisted

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I've had Snap-on ratchets jump a tooth, you got to have the feel! Of course, it was the ratchet, not me being in a hurry and not paying attention to what I was doing. What I want to know is, how did you break a flare nut wrench? I've had 'em spread but they unspread back to size after I ruined the nut.

Pushed on em. They just snapped. Nut didn't even budge. Hey anybody selling a snap on standard flare wrench set!
 

nissan_crawler

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If you keep breaking tools and hurting yourself, then you are doing something wrong. As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." Also, Craftsman does have a pro line for most of their hand tools, which are great tools for a good price.

First thing that crossed my mind.

I was bleeding some brakes and one of the bleeder screws was pretty damned stuck. Even so, Like I said THE POS RATCHET DID'T ENGAGE PROPERLY!

I'll add you to my contacts and you can have dibs on em when I sell the craftsman farm!

1. Who was the genius that tugged on it before seeing if it was engaged?

2. Why are you tugging on a 1/4" ratchet?

Okay now some of you guys seem to be calling me an idiot. WHat do you mean that it could be something I'm doing wrong. I mean, maybe our individual wrenching methods differ slightly but come one. YOU PUT THE SOCKET OVER THE NUT AND TURN THE RATCHET RIGHT?! Atleast thats what I do. WHats your method. Count from ten, two hail mary's and then turn the GD ratchet?
My whole point was and still is that craftsman *****, snap on is too expensive and I was wondering if any of you all regularly used sk and if it was woth a SH**!
From what I have gathered though, it seems like everyone would suggest to go with the SO being that the higher quality is worth the price.

I put the APPROPRIATE ratchet (with a fastener that stuck, this would mean 3/8"), then pull on it and gradually bring up force until it breaks loose. I most certainly wouldn't tug on it without testing it first.

My opinion, 90% of the Craftsman stuff works fine, use it. Get Snap-On ratchets. Again IMHO, sk *****. I find it no better (in several cases, worse) than Craftsman. I've used Craftsman sockets and wrenches professionally for 7.5 years. I've "broken" one wrench, and that was a 1/4", that less than 1/2 the wrench thickness was on the nut, and it deformed it a bit.

I've only broken a handful of tools in 15 years of wrenching (15 years on my own stuff, 7.5 years professionally), and at least 3/4 of them, I was pretty sure what the end result was going to be, before I even started.

Unless those wrenches just had horrible metallurgy going on (not saying it isn't possible), I would bet that 95% of the people on this board would have quit before breaking the wrench, and re-evaluated things. This isn't a put-down to you, I'm just saying with experience comes knowledge. If it's that tight, you want to:

1. Quit before you round the nut.

2. Quit before you break your tool.

3. Think what you can do to help your situation.

Things like a little heat (carefully applied if on a caliper), Kroil, light tapping with a hammer to break rust, using a 1/4" impact to slowly rattle on it, etc., will all help get it loose.

On the line, heat, Kroil, trying to tighten it slightly, a 6 point flare crowfoot and long ratchet, etc., will all help.

Of course, there's always the time you realize you're screwed 6 ways from Sunday, and break out the tubing cutter, or try to get the next line down loose, and replace both.
 

Kevin54

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Nothing wrong with Craftsman tools EXCEPT for the damn ratchets. But then anyone that has owned or owns Craftsman tools KNOW the ratchets are junk. So instead of getting rid of all your Craftsman for pennies on the dollar, just buy a GOOD set of ratchets. Then use some common sense in loosening something. Don't go planting both feet on something to tug on a 1/4" ratchet. Something WILL happen.
BTW...when you get ready to unload your Craftsman, let me know. I've already replaced my ratchets. :lol_hitti
 
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Joe Mamma

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I put the APPROPRIATE ratchet (with a fastener that stuck, this would mean 3/8"), then pull on it and gradually bring up force until it breaks loose. I most certainly wouldn't tug on it without testing it first.

I don't know the exact problem the original poster has. But if his ratchet is like the ones I've used, the ratchet teeth seem to be engaged fine. But, if you apply force at a certain angle, or if the socket tilts a SMALL amount (in reference to the ratchet handle), the the teeth slip like it was stripped.

Testing it with a little bit of force might not make a difference because applying a more force may be just enough to cause the ratchet and socket to shift or tilt, and break free. That's been my experience with them.

Joe Mamma
 

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I must say that if you don't want those craftsman tools, I'll take em! haha! I love craftsman hand tools. They've never failed me once. I've been using the regular sockets in my impact gun before I got some impact sockets and they've performed flawlessly. My grandfather, my father, and I have been using Craftsman tools forever and I would have no reason to switch to snapon or any other truck brand. I don't think I would trade my craftsman stuff in. I brake a handtool, I take it back to Sears around the corner, they give me a new one. I've used their screwdrivers are prybars without fail. I've taken a 40 year old craftsman ratchet, placed a pipe over the end for extra leverage and never failed. I'm sorry people have had bad experiences with craftsman. I'm brand loyal because they've never failed me.
 

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Also, I have gotten great service (30 yrs+) from my S-K tools, so they are certainly good quality, but right now I would wait out the labor issues S-K is having before committing a bunch of money on their tools. What good is a lifetime warrantee on a good quality US made tool if the company is out of business, or sells its name to the Chinese? Personally, I would NOT buy S-K right now.

And whatever you do, do not pay list price for new S-K. I'm not sure I understnd why they allow so much product out the back door...completely undercutting what little is left of their dealer network, (not to mention their own web store). Check eBay and Amazon for new S-K stuff at 40% off list.

30 plus years on my SK stuff, love em.
 

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once you go german, you'll never go back, they know how to make quality :)
 

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Does this make any sense or any difference? After I got my first 3/8 drive Proto ratchet, I was comparing it to a basic raised panel Craftsman ratchet I have. If I "wind" the ratchet around and around so it clicks on the gear, the Proto clicks like normal - click-click-click-click very clear and normal. If I do this with the Craftsman it loses the clickiness and almost feels like it is spinning and slipping over the gears, especially as I speed up the winding. This was after applying M-Pro 7 gun oil to both ratchets, allowing it to seep in, not opening them up and applying it.

I guess I doesn't make any difference because I've switched over to Proto ratchets and don't have any need for that Craftsman.

RB
 

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Does this make any sense or any difference?

RB

Size of teeth, number of teeth engaging, exactly how much (have had ratchets with too little and too much) lubrication all will play a part.
The standard gut Craftsman ratchets (raised panel and polished, non thin pro line) all have a "gut shield" that just floats on top of their mechs, under a chit catching snap ring.
Other designs, the plate rests on a ledge, or o-ring, that will help keep stuff out of them.
 

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I noticed after i oiled my Craftsman ratchets, they started doing the missing teeth thing when you spin them around. Wonder why, oil too thick, sticky? i dont thing thats the case though, my dad has normal grease in his older( V series, he thinks early 90's) 1/2" an it works great, almost silent ratching action, never skips, just has a feeling of quality, my ones ( year or so old) ones dont, also the direction lever on mine doesnt "click" back and forth as you rotate them.

I think that happens becase the craftman spring might not be long enough/ strong enough to push the pawl onto the gear fast.
 
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