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Impact VS. Chrome The Final Word

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In an effort to bring and end to what seems to be a constant subject of debate here on Garage Journal here is a full explanation of the differences between chrome and impacts sockets.
Chrome hand sockets and impact sockets have differences that are a lot more than skin deep. Each is designed and manufactured with specific applications in mind, and they are built to handle that job only. The user must be careful not to use a chrome hand socket on an impact gun.
The impact socket has thick walls and is finished in a black phosphate or black oxide finish. The design is also distinct as impact sockets have a cross hole in the handle end for use with a retaining pin and ring or locking pin anvil to allow the socket to be securely attached to the square drive of an impact gun.
Power sockets, designed for use with power nut runners, multi-spindle machines and angle head nut drivers, may cause some confusion since they are offered in a black finish. But, they are stamped “WARNING: NON-IMPACT.” Power sockets are heat treated to a higher hardness than either impact or hand sockets. This high hardness, combined with thick socket walls, produces a strong, wear resistant socket. This socket is ideal for assembly-line work where it is not subjected to high-impact loads.
Hand sockets have a thin wall which allows for clearance in general applications where hand torquing is used. Hand sockets, except for those intended for industrial use, are chrome plated. Although hand sockets and power sockets can fit the impact wrench, they are not the same and must not be used on impact tools.
One difference you can’t see between these two different types of sockets has to do with the way each has been heat treated and/or the composition of the metal used. The impact socket made out of medium carbon alloy steel is heat treated to a low hardness range which has been optimized for impact use. This means that under heavy, continuous use, an impact socket will withstand the impact blows and will wear rather than break.
Hand sockets are made of medium carbon alloy steel heat treated to a hardness range commensurate with their size and configuration. Hand sockets are heat treated to a comparatively higher hardness for high strength and more wear resistance than impact sockets. But, they are made to sustain hand applied torque applications only. In other words, they are not designed for use on impact guns, and should never be used on them.
Using only impact sockets on impact wrenches reduces the risk of injury, delays and damaged work. It’s relatively easy to spot a hand socket that’s been misused on an impact wrench. Check the square drive end for signs of damage and distortion. Cracks and other damage will often appear around the wrench end as well. Breakage due to impact use is considered misuse and not through any fault of the hand socket itself.
If the right socket for the job isn’t available, the job can be delayed and tools can be damaged. Improperly using hand sockets on impact tools may be hazardous as they may crack. By knowing the difference between the various types of sockets and using them appropriately, you will be able to ensure a safer and more efficient work environment.

Link to original article http://www.rockcrawler.com/2010-01/impact-vs-chrome-sockets/
 
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So, does this mean I can use PVC air lines to power my impact wrench with chrome sockets?


Metal.....thanks for the thread. It makes sense to me.
 

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Makes sense.. I agree impact sockets on impacts, chome on hand tools. Pretty simple and great writeup.

I also often think...if it was such a no-no...why havent MFG's settled on an "impact standard size" so instead of 3/8" and 1/2" drive (among others) which are identical to hand tool sizes, they could have went 7/16 Drive and 5/8" drive on impact generating tools, impact rated sockets and accessories would follow suit. Voila...problem solved. No more chrome on impacts...
 

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I also often think...if it was such a no-no...why havent MFG's settled on an "impact standard size" so instead of 3/8" and 1/2" drive (among others) which are identical to hand tool sizes, they could have went 7/16 Drive and 5/8" drive on impact generating tools, impact rated sockets and accessories would follow suit. Voila...problem solved. No more chrome on impacts...

I've been wondering the same thing for a long time now. It would take a little while to implement, but so did standardizing the sizes we use today.
 

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Makes sense.. I agree impact sockets on impacts, chome on hand tools. Pretty simple and great writeup.

I also often think...if it was such a no-no...why havent MFG's settled on an "impact standard size" so instead of 3/8" and 1/2" drive (among others) which are identical to hand tool sizes, they could have went 7/16 Drive and 5/8" drive on impact generating tools, impact rated sockets and accessories would follow suit. Voila...problem solved. No more chrome on impacts...

Also, why don't chrome socket sets say "not for use on impact" ? You make a good point I've never thought of.
 

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Also, why don't chrome socket sets say "not for use on impact" ? You make a good point I've never thought of.

It isn't stamped on the socket but I've seen it stated on packaging.

Then there is Grey Pneumatic's solution, duo sockets made from chrome moly, thin as a hand socket and able to take an impact.
 

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to bad i still see many places using chrome on impacts. imo if you are on a budget get the sockets in impact rating first, because it wont hurt them to use on a hand ratchet. not the other way around... always worked well for me, plus its mostly 6 point in the impact rated stuff
 
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I saw Stacy David on gearz tv show use chrome on an impact, so it must be ok.

Iv'e seen that too. It drives me nuts when these people on tv who are trying to show the average guy how to do something does it the wrong way. Generally Stacey is pretty good, but sometimes I don't agree with his methods.
 

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Makes sense.. I agree impact sockets on impacts, chome on hand tools. Pretty simple and great writeup.

I also often think...if it was such a no-no...why havent MFG's settled on an "impact standard size" so instead of 3/8" and 1/2" drive (among others) which are identical to hand tool sizes, they could have went 7/16 Drive and 5/8" drive on impact generating tools, impact rated sockets and accessories would follow suit. Voila...problem solved. No more chrome on impacts...

I use my 1/2 impact deep wells with a 1/2 ratchet because i dont have chrome deep wells in half. So the way they have it gives you more options, just have to use some common sense. Definitely agree though, keep the chrome hand sockets off the impact. All it does is beat the **** out of them and you. I remember watching dad pick chrome out of his hands before he had impact sockets, not fun.
 

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The final word...HAHAHAHAHA:lol::bounce:

Next you need to post about 6 point vs 12 point sockets, and then consider something about country of origin.:wtf:
 

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Makes sense.. I agree impact sockets on impacts, chome on hand tools. Pretty simple and great writeup.

I also often think...if it was such a no-no...why havent MFG's settled on an "impact standard size" so instead of 3/8" and 1/2" drive (among others) which are identical to hand tool sizes, they could have went 7/16 Drive and 5/8" drive on impact generating tools, impact rated sockets and accessories would follow suit. Voila...problem solved. No more chrome on impacts...

Ive been thinking about this. Someone would just make an adapter...
 

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Next you need to post about 6 point vs 12 point sockets, and then consider something about country of origin.:wtf:


Ooooo... They look like good topics for a debate... Are there any threads relating to them yet..?
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I think, for the most part, the general consensus on here has been that chrome is not safe to use on impacts. There have been numerous reports of chrome sockets breaking under the stress of an impact.

I have used chrome on an impact before, but only when necessary. The other day I had to on a hitch receiver because I did not have an impact socket large enough. It was even a 12pt socket. :shocking: It worked fine, but do you know what my next tool purchase is going to be?
 

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I think, for the most part, the general consensus on here has been that chrome is not safe to use on impacts. There have been numerous reports of chrome sockets breaking under the stress of an impact.

I have used chrome on an impact before, but only when necessary. The other day I had to on a hitch receiver because I did not have an impact socket large enough. It was even a 12pt socket. :shocking: It worked fine, but do you know what my next tool purchase is going to be?

Faceshield lol
 

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Chrome sockets once installed on an impact wrench can be difficult to remove and may even damage the hog ring on the anvil when a lot of force is applied to remove the socket. Those detents on the inner walls of the drive end of chrome sockets tend to grab the hog ring. Impact sockets don't have the detents.
 

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Ive been thinking about this. Someone would just make an adapter...

Possible, but I doubt anybody would touch it with a 10' pole for legal reasons....Every MFG from top to bottom has about 18 warnings on a package of Chrome sockets saying "Not for impact use" someone selling an adaptor for the sole purpose of running chromes on an impact?
 

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That is a pretty good idea using a different drive size for impact sockets.

I laughed at the "final word" in the title of this thread as well. I can see some people on this site purposefully talking more about this subject now just so that the OP doesn't get any credit for having the final word on it:lol_hitti
 

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Possible, but I doubt anybody would touch it with a 10' pole for legal reasons....Every MFG from top to bottom has about 18 warnings on a package of Chrome sockets saying "Not for impact use" someone selling an adaptor for the sole purpose of running chromes on an impact?

easy, sell the adapter and label it not for impact use. :thumbup:
 

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Possible, but I doubt anybody would touch it with a 10' pole for legal reasons....Every MFG from top to bottom has about 18 warnings on a package of Chrome sockets saying "Not for impact use" someone selling an adaptor for the sole purpose of running chromes on an impact?

They'd just make them in China, where none of the possible legal concerns would make a bit of difference. Or just claim that they're for using old impact sockets on new guns. ;)
 

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Possible, but I doubt anybody would touch it with a 10' pole for legal reasons....Every MFG from top to bottom has about 18 warnings on a package of Chrome sockets saying "Not for impact use" someone selling an adaptor for the sole purpose of running chromes on an impact?

My chromies don't say not to use with with impact.. but I get the rest of what you say.
 

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Come on Fed,,,,,,,,,,,you don't think this is sufficient:spit:

It's a very nice and detailed article. However, this is Garage Journal where we will beat a dead horse all the way to the glue factory and back.:bounce:

I haven't seen OSHA in my shop lately, and I don't know of the impact socket police. You can use whatever socket you want on either hand or power drive tools becuse, they're your tools. Just remember when you damage your impact or chrome shards go flying everywhere from a chrome socket shattering that there's a cause and effect for everything you do.:thumbup:

Now, let's talk about those people that break fasteners loose with an open end wrench or a ratchet.:lol::beer:
 

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It isn't stamped on the socket but I've seen it stated on packaging.

Then there is Grey Pneumatic's solution, duo sockets made from chrome moly, thin as a hand socket and able to take an impact.

Does anyone have experience with the Duo-sockets? I have some GP standard impact sockets which have served me well. Good quality import. I like the concept of not duplicating impact and chrome if possible. Looking at getting the son-in-law started and considered this for an option. DIYer with somewhat heavy automotive use.
 
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