Import tools...

[nismomans13]

I'm posting this because i'm sorta curious but more or less i just want to stir the pot a bit about imported tools.

When it comes to import tools everybody hates on china made tools, but why is it ok to buy German or Swiss made or whatever. I obviously know of the difference in quality, but isn't it the same? you're still NOT buying American made tools. I'm not talking about companies like Craftsman outsourcing their manufacturing to China, i'm just talking about buying non American tools. I have a Fein grinder and think its funny that if a tool says Germany on it its totally ok to buy a import but if it says china its not.

Discuss...

 

[Boiler]

Personally I'd rather buy USA, but would prefer German, Canadian, or tools from England to Taiwan & China. Generally this is a quality issue, but it also helps that those mentioned countries play fair by not having what is basically slave labor and gross subsidies from a government that rules its people and supports places like North Korea.

 

[Red Green]

I agree with what Boiler said. I will also add that China is polluting their country and the world. While the other countries are restriced by their goverments.

 

[Grumpy365]

It’s the quality.

China makes tools with inferior parts, inferior metal, and inferior fit & finish (all to maintain a cheap price point)

German and Swiss tools are made with a quality steel, quality parts and quality fit &finish (and you pay the $$ for it)

 

[milkovich]

Both US and Taiwan made tools seem to be the highest value (quality/price).

Everything else seems either too crappy (China/India) or too expensive (Europe).

I guess i can throw Mexico in there with the "value" countries since all my Dewalt tools were probably made there.

 

[ratdoggy]

Chery cars or BMW ? That's pretty much the difference

 

[SMKS]

Personally I'd rather buy USA, but would prefer German, Canadian, or tools from England to Taiwan & China. Generally this is a quality issue, but it also helps that those mentioned countries play fair by not having what is basically slave labor and gross subsidies from a government that rules its people and supports places like North Korea.

I don't think slave labor is really an issue in Taiwan, which is basically a separate country from China. Also, I don't think Taiwan is an ally of North Korea.

A lot of members on GJ don't seem to know that there is a difference between Taiwan and China.

 

[RbrtAWhyt]

Hypocrisy. Because deep down a real mechanic/tool guy knows high quality are in fact also made outside the U.S.A.

 

[airbuff101]

Hypocrisy. Because deep down a real mechanic/tool guy knows high quality are in fact also made outside the U.S.A.

Absolutely agree Robert.
Also, I've always felt that folks who fervently call out one brand as The Best!, be it tools, cars, phones, guns, chicken gizards,motorcycles.....almost without fail ,In my experience commonly have a rather shallow depth of knowledge & experience OUTSIDE of the brand that is cheered for.
Seen it too many times in all areas of life.
It's just Too easy to shout out the only one they know.
The guys that have been around the block are usually more measured in their opinions as they have seen good and bad examples of a wider range of products and situations.
old grizzled Rob

 

[rwhite692]

Regardless of how each of us feel about the Quality of Chinese tools...

This thread needs.... Chinese-restaurant background music!

Allow me:

Na-Na-Na-Na, Nuk-Nuk, NING-NING-NING!!!

Na-Na-Na-Na, Nuk-Nuk, NING-NING-NING!!!

 

[denis4x4]

In 1965 I purchased a 22' sailboat and put together a tool kit of cheap K-Mart items. These tools were chosen so that if I dropped something overboard, there wouldn't be a big $ loss. Stuff was made in Japan and I still have everything I bought in '65 on my current boat! Import stuff bought 45 years ago wasn't all that bad.

 

[woody 73]

One day in the near future tools coming from china will be well made,the only problem is that the ceo of the company will say to his voters:

"We need to dump china and buy from India"

Then the cycle starts all over again,with bashing the next country of origin...

 

[sammon287]

I grew up at the end of the cold war and qualified with an M-16 on Army ranges where the targets had red stars on their helmets. I am apolitical, but love the style of freedom that this country represents. They (the Chinese government, not it's people) might not be our enemies anymore, but they are not our allies. I have a problem sending revenue to a country that maintains a high level of military animosity towards us and sells weapons directly to our nation's enemies. See this cover story from Popular Mechanics.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...-war-between-china-and-the-us-would-look-like

Here is an excerpt:
"China's economic boom has allowed its military to rapidly expand its inventory of cruise missiles, aimed at Taiwan, and multistage ballistic missiles with enough range to hit much of Asia. The People's Liberation Army has also bought submarines including at least 12 whisper-quiet diesel–electric models from Russia and is developing a large fleet of warplanes.

But China's most dangerous new weapon could be an antiship ballistic missile (ASBM), specifically designed to target a moving aircraft carrier. The United States has 11 carriers. To win a future conflict, China would not have to destroy every one of them, just the pair that would be available to respond to a fight off China's coast.

Senior Pentagon leaders are becoming increasingly concerned about the Chinese arsenal. Adm. Robert Willard, head of the Navy's Pacific Command, told Congress in March that "the PLA's continued military advancements sustain a trend of shifting the cross-strait military balance in Beijing's favor." In June, in a speech at the Asia Society in Washington, D.C., Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, added that he has "moved from being curious to being genuinely concerned" about the buildup." (Popular Mechanics December 2010)


Does Germany have active war plans to sink a US carrier battle group?

 

[2chipped]

One of my many complaints, are the" blatant" copy-rite infringements .

As an example if you were to get A-P's hammer , have a huge machining plant to copy and mass produce it with cheap materials.

The government would wink at the copy rite infringements and the lack of safe working conditions and or chemicals being dumped.

So that leaves poor A P with a copy rite (and design )that he spent time and money on , be worth nothing because the machinery plant and government would not care.


My 2cts.