dumbandhappy
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need to buy a 3000K or so winch, seen many of the no name Chinease made winchs on the internet, especailly Ebay for dirt cheap, is a Warn worth it ?
imported utilty winchs verse the real thing a Warn brand
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rsanter
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how much do you need it and how much will you use it
is it going on for looks and perhaps a few uses over its lifetime?
will you find yourself on trail where you will really need it or you are screwed?
if you answer these you will have your answer...
not sure if you would be interested, but I have a used 10,000 lb winch that came off a tow truck.
was going to use it on my trailer, but I have the WARN sitting around from a 4x4 I had. the WARN was a reciever mount unit so I think it will be easier to weld a reciever to the trailer than making mounting brackets
bob
is it going on for looks and perhaps a few uses over its lifetime?
will you find yourself on trail where you will really need it or you are screwed?
if you answer these you will have your answer...
not sure if you would be interested, but I have a used 10,000 lb winch that came off a tow truck.
was going to use it on my trailer, but I have the WARN sitting around from a 4x4 I had. the WARN was a reciever mount unit so I think it will be easier to weld a reciever to the trailer than making mounting brackets
bob
Bud_Man
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Warn is like…..
Snap-on
H&K pistols
Being the first kid on the block to go to the moon.
Very costly…. but well worth it and you will not need to buy another. And all the cool kids have them
Snap-on
H&K pistols
Being the first kid on the block to go to the moon.
Very costly…. but well worth it and you will not need to buy another. And all the cool kids have them
Are you going to use it on an ATV or for lifting?
You will also notice a difference in the guarantee--WARN has limited LIFETIME and excellent customer support AFTER the sale. Very easy to get in touch with and easy to communicate with.
I have an older ATV2000, two 2500's, two 3000's, an M8000, an M12,000, an an old 8274 purchased in 1977. Still have the last one, but don't use it. Just could not sell it.
Only problem I have had is a broken follower cam that I broke by trying to go to freespool with tension on the line--which the owner's manual clearly states is a no-no. I called and told them I was responsible and it was out of warranty. The sent me a new one and a new solenoid that was made by White-Rodgers on recall that I had already gotten.
Most of the smaller winches use permanent magnet motors and I would guess that the quality of the magnet varies and so would the pulling power over time.
Good luck on your winch search. And, get a ****** block and some synthetic winch line.
You will also notice a difference in the guarantee--WARN has limited LIFETIME and excellent customer support AFTER the sale. Very easy to get in touch with and easy to communicate with.
I have an older ATV2000, two 2500's, two 3000's, an M8000, an M12,000, an an old 8274 purchased in 1977. Still have the last one, but don't use it. Just could not sell it.
Only problem I have had is a broken follower cam that I broke by trying to go to freespool with tension on the line--which the owner's manual clearly states is a no-no. I called and told them I was responsible and it was out of warranty. The sent me a new one and a new solenoid that was made by White-Rodgers on recall that I had already gotten.
Most of the smaller winches use permanent magnet motors and I would guess that the quality of the magnet varies and so would the pulling power over time.
Good luck on your winch search. And, get a ****** block and some synthetic winch line.
rsanter
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a friend of mine burned up a WARN winch. his 4x4 brome on trail and he was determined not to abandon it. he used the winch (overused) to pull it out. took 2 days of hard work to get it out to where it could be towed away. I think that winch got more use in those two days than most get in a lifetime.
he got it out and they fixed or replaced the winch (dont remember which)
I really dont think an import copy could have done that. so like I asked before. how much are you going to NEED a winch
bob
he got it out and they fixed or replaced the winch (dont remember which)
I really dont think an import copy could have done that. so like I asked before. how much are you going to NEED a winch
bob
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dumbandhappy
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thanks for the great replies
it will be used for general farm use and duck hunting camp, only getting a 3000K think I will get the name brand Warn. Gonna buy a ****** block as well to double the pulling power. WAs thinkign of makign a 2" revceiver hitch type tubeing and have a mount on the front of a trailer to pull from as well. Also have heard nothing but great things about the new synthetic winch line as well.
it will be used for general farm use and duck hunting camp, only getting a 3000K think I will get the name brand Warn. Gonna buy a ****** block as well to double the pulling power. WAs thinkign of makign a 2" revceiver hitch type tubeing and have a mount on the front of a trailer to pull from as well. Also have heard nothing but great things about the new synthetic winch line as well.
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I just put one on my wifes four wheeler from harbor freight tools. 69.99 - 15% coupon. compared to $300 for a wireless warn winch. Picked the whole fourwheeler off the ground. I figuared it will work no more than she gets stuck. I will pull her out 90% of the time with mine.
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dumbandhappy
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yep tons of those inexpensive things around these days, they sure look as good as a Warn, hel a Warn may be made overseas as well, kinda like I never would have thought Briggs motors would be made over seas but they are.
Bud_Man
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Now that we got you to spend money on a good winch, why do you want to spend more on a synthetic rope?
What area do you live in, and do you really need the light weight synthetic? If you live in the Midwest, mud and dirt tear up synthetics quickly. Be sure to use the abrasion cover that comes with the synthetic or order one if not included. If it is a safety issue, the synthetics are not much different than steel. As a personal note I have seen more synthetic fail than steel. Keep in mind the brake style of the winch you choose, a common failure is on drum style winches the synthetic rope fails due to the winch brake heating up. Some synthetic companies offer a shield for the rope that comes in direct contact with the drum. Very important if using a ****** block.
What area do you live in, and do you really need the light weight synthetic? If you live in the Midwest, mud and dirt tear up synthetics quickly. Be sure to use the abrasion cover that comes with the synthetic or order one if not included. If it is a safety issue, the synthetics are not much different than steel. As a personal note I have seen more synthetic fail than steel. Keep in mind the brake style of the winch you choose, a common failure is on drum style winches the synthetic rope fails due to the winch brake heating up. Some synthetic companies offer a shield for the rope that comes in direct contact with the drum. Very important if using a ****** block.
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dumbandhappy
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just heard good things about the rope, not sure I want to buy it just yet, you just made me think even harder about it. Good info you shared, Im in Arkansas, lots of grey sticky gooing mud here in the bottoms.
Bud_Man
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This link "Spiders" to a few discussions our club have had in the past. Also info on where to get replacement cables. http://www.gljt.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8455&highlight=winch+cable
V-10 Killer
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Here's my experience with WARN.
Bought a car hauler 3 years ago. Immediately put a WARN 1700 utility winch on it (~$140 at TSC). Worked great on years 1 and 2. This spring my friend borrowed the trailer. Went to use the winch and heard BZZZZTTT. Water got in the motor housing and toasted the motor. Called WARN and explained the situation. Got a number for a place in Michigan that sells replacement parts. Called them and found out the replacement motor is $181! Yes, that's $40 more than just buying a new winch. Even that guy told me they are designed to be disposable at that price.
Now I am NOT blaming WARN. It clearly states in the owners manual "store in a dry place when not in use." When they work they're a hell of a lot better than a come-along. But if it's going to be exposed to the elements, invest in a cover.
Bought a car hauler 3 years ago. Immediately put a WARN 1700 utility winch on it (~$140 at TSC). Worked great on years 1 and 2. This spring my friend borrowed the trailer. Went to use the winch and heard BZZZZTTT. Water got in the motor housing and toasted the motor. Called WARN and explained the situation. Got a number for a place in Michigan that sells replacement parts. Called them and found out the replacement motor is $181! Yes, that's $40 more than just buying a new winch. Even that guy told me they are designed to be disposable at that price.
Now I am NOT blaming WARN. It clearly states in the owners manual "store in a dry place when not in use." When they work they're a hell of a lot better than a come-along. But if it's going to be exposed to the elements, invest in a cover.
rsanter
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that is why I use a reciever mount
can go on the front or back of a truck and can go on the trailer
goes in the garage when not in use
bob
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Synthetic rope is safer than steel cable. If it breaks the rope just falls to the ground, whereas the steel recoils. If you need to winch using steel cable, put a coat over the it so that it will not slash about in case of breakage.
Synthetic will not rip open your hands from a fray (always use gloves when winching with cable), nor will it kink.
You need to use a hawse fairlead with syhthetic rather than a roller fairled, to prevent it being pinched by the rollers.
First thing I did when I bought a winch was to order synthetic.
Synthetic will not rip open your hands from a fray (always use gloves when winching with cable), nor will it kink.
You need to use a hawse fairlead with syhthetic rather than a roller fairled, to prevent it being pinched by the rollers.
First thing I did when I bought a winch was to order synthetic.
ovilla
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Guys, how do winches not get water damaged every time some 4X4 crosses a deep stream? It seems like I'm always seeing pictures of trucks/jeeps fording through water almost as high as the top of the hood. Are those Warn winches water sealed or something?
I have seen a winch pulling while submerged. Great situation? No, but there was not any choice.
You can run a roller fairlead. It just needs to be free of nicks and gouges from using galvanized steel cable.
Some models are easier to "waterproof" (nothing is ever waterproof 100%), or make it more water resistant but removing things like end caps or covers and applying a bead of silicone and periodically diassemble and lube the winch and apply some dielectric grease to electrical contacts.
If you ever buy a winch, you will never be without one again. They are so useful for so many different tasks.
You can run a roller fairlead. It just needs to be free of nicks and gouges from using galvanized steel cable.
Some models are easier to "waterproof" (nothing is ever waterproof 100%), or make it more water resistant but removing things like end caps or covers and applying a bead of silicone and periodically diassemble and lube the winch and apply some dielectric grease to electrical contacts.
If you ever buy a winch, you will never be without one again. They are so useful for so many different tasks.
Bud_Man
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No they are gasket sealed however; you will get some water in them. They are like any other tool, abuse them and they won’t last as long. The earlier post of a winch burning up from rain; I would not say it can’t happen, but; there may have been other factors, so it’s not fair to dispute it. What I can tell you is when I started having problems with my 9500TI Warn (one of the top of the line Warn’s) I opened it up and it was so full of mud (packed tight with mud) I don’t know how it worked, but it did. After seeing the abuse it was put thru and continued to work with limited issues, I won’t buy anything other than a Warn from here out.
