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In floor heat options??

Cannonball

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Hi all.
Read through the many posts on in floor heating and really need some one to simplify what my options are.
Building is an 18'x24' (432 sq.ft.) with 12' feet of height inside. 2X6 walls at R20 and R-40 in roof. Monolithic slab with two runs of 1/2" pex of about 220' each.
Slab is on 2" of EPS foam with 2" of foam on the side down 2' and winged out 2'.
Live in a cold climate with a good part of winter at 0 deg.F (-15 to -20 C.)
My thoughts were to go one of two ways:
Thought one was to use an electric Titan water heater (simple system) to warm slab and keep building above freezing and install a 40k BTU nat.gas/fan Mr. Heater to bring building temp. up when I am out there working.

Thought two was to heat building solely with the radiant floor heat. Keeping building at 55-60 def.F.
This would mean a natural gas once trough water heater or small boiler.
Not sure of what a small and simple boiler systems cost would be like and if this is even an option.
Gas is cheaper here than electricity.

I have read a lot of negatives on using the once through gas water heaters for floor heat, but people are using them.
The system will be glycol filled and have no water supply to the building.
Will be doing electrical soon so need to have my path forward decided for the rough in.
Mostly looking for a rough break down of what each system would cost parts wise for a comparison, as well as your thoughts on each install. Will be doing install my self.

Thanks.
 
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anthony666

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buy a small boiler rated for radiant .. save yourself a lot of headaches

i like the new units navians brought out .. 2" pvc venting .. uses a 1/2" gas pipe .. has a built in circ pump, and should you ever need parts they're easy to find

navian should be paying me
 
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Cannonball

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Are you referring to the Navien Combi-boilers?
It looks like the smallest is 150,000 BTU. Wouldn't that be on the big size?
Like the idea but what do you do with all the water that condenses? I was going to run a piece of Pex as a drain tie in to the floor drain, but in the rush of placing the concrete it was left out. Might have been an issue with pumping my sump out in the winter. How much water drains from these boilers?
Sorry for all the questions, but I know you are familiar these boilers and with making them work in a cold climate.
Thanks again.
 
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anthony666

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Mine is 720sq-ft. This is the option i'm going with.

http://www.takagi.com/index.php?product_id=101&page_id=2

takagi is good stuff as well .. most modern boilers are modulating, meaning they don't just go full blast, they will throttle down as needed .. do a heat loss calc on your shop to tell you the size of boiler that's gonna fit your requirements .. if you go with a on demand water heater, just make sure it is rated for space/hydronic/radiant heating

condensing boilers make a lot of water when they're working hard .. as an example a couple of weeks ago i got a boiler going and put a 5 gallon bucket under the condensate drain while i built more of the system .. i emptied the bucket before i left, can back in the morning and it was an inch from being full again

on first read through i missed how small your shop is .. i might be tempted to go electric with something that size
 
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