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Justin C

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Hi guy i am just starting on my garage build and was wondering what you are using as a heat source for your infloor heat. I am planning on using a hot water heater i just dont know what brand to get. I am not sure if i should get one from Lowe's Home Depot or Menards, or if i should contact a plumbing company. Just looking for some other opinions. Thanks Justin
 
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Catalyze

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Hi Justin!
One of the best things to do is to put a location in your information under your name. That helps folks decide what area of the country you are in and what type of things tro help you with. My New Mexico radiant floor heat system might not be what you want if you live in Wisconsin. Just help us out with that and some square footage and we will jump back to you.
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Water heaters work. How well they work you will find, is open for debate. I use a small boiler. You will never second guess yourself if you use a boiler.

Please do yourself a favor and contact one of the in floor heat companies. They will do an energy balance so you know exactly how many BTU's you will need. I used Radiantec. This save much time and money.

Good luck with your floor system. If you do it correctly, you will love it.

Kirk
 

Stuart in MN

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Besides your location it will depend on the size of the garage...you may be able to get away with using a water heater in a relatively small garage, but for a big one probably not.
 
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Justin C

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Water heaters work. How well they work you will find, is open for debate. I use a small boiler. You will never second guess yourself if you use a boiler.

Please do yourself a favor and contact one of the in floor heat companies. They will do an energy balance so you know exactly how many BTU's you will need. I used Radiantec. This save much time and money.

Good luck with your floor system. If you do it correctly, you will love it.

Kirk

I talked to Radiantec and they suggested the hotwater heater over a boiler. I have been looking and its not easy finding a hot water heater with the btus i need. I need 50000 output. May go back to the boiler.
 

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Water heaters work. How well they work you will find, is open for debate. I use a small boiler. You will never second guess yourself if you use a boiler.

Please do yourself a favor and contact one of the in floor heat companies. They will do an energy balance so you know exactly how many BTU's you will need. I used Radiantec. This save much time and money.

Good luck with your floor system. If you do it correctly, you will love it.

Kirk

Water heaters, sounds like a great idea.....
 
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nate379

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Boiler is better IMO.

Water heater has a slow recovery rate. Slab heat is already slow enough to recover, I couldn't imagine making it even worse! An on demand water heater would be ok, but that is more or less a mini boiler anyway.

I actually bought a small Modine water to air heater for my garage cause I hate the slab heat response time.

I'm going to set it up that the floor will come on lets say at 60* and that heater will come on at 45*. Floor heat gets overwhelmed, such as if I leave the door open more than just a couple seconds or pull in a cold vehicle. Not fun waiting 3-4 hrs for garage to warm back up to a comfortable temp after pulling in something to thaw out.

Also will be able to keep garage at 45-50* and when I go to work in there just kick the heat up instead of paying to keep it at 60*.

Now the slab heat works fine in the house, but I don't have a huge door that lets all the air out in a matter of seconds either.... and even still I use it as a 2nd heat source, wood stove being the primary. I like the wood heat much better.
 
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larry_g

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Boiler is better IMO.

Now the slab heat works fine in the house, but I don't have a huge door that lets all the air out in a matter of seconds either.... and even still I use it as a 2nd heat source, wood stove being the primary. I like the wood heat much better.

Have you considered hanging a coil of copper pipe on the back of the stove to move some of the heat into the floor? Something I considered at teh old place but never got around to it.

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Stove is in my living room, boiler and all the piping is in the garage. Stove was mainly put in as a **** hits the fan heat source (power outage, earthquake, zombie attack, etc)
 
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Justin C

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Manage yourself a favor and communicate one of the in floor heat companies. They will manage an power balance so you understand precisely how numerous BTU's you will need. I utilized Radiantec. This save much time and money.

I too am using Radiantec. They told me i would need 50000 Btu output for my shop.

I am leaning towards a boiler just not sure where to get one.
 

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Boilers are designed for radiant heat and have radiant controls on them. They are more efficient and run at about 84%, at best, for non condensing units. But they are also a lot more expensive than water heaters.

Water heaters, for a specific and relatively small area, like a garage, can work just fine. They run at about 75% efficiency, but they remain hot even when not heating, so the best thing is to turn them off in the warm season. Don't combine your domestic hot water with your radiant water. The radiant should be a closed loop.

The brand doesn't matter much because corrosion and sediment will not be concerns and most tank water heaters are basically the same design.

For a normal heating system you can figure about 25 BTU/ sq ft. So a 400 sq ft well insulated garage, for instance, only needs about 400 X 25 or 10,000 BTU. Double this would mean better recovery. So if you wanted to use a standard water heater with a 40,000 BTU burner and 70% efficiency, you'd have 40,000 X .70 = 28,000 BTU available. Plenty! Adjust these numbers for your size shop.

There's more to the recovery rate story than simply BTUs at the burner. So take "slow recovery" warnings with a grain of salt and do your own research.

There are some very useful tips to simplify the systems in cases like these that can really reduce the overall cost and up the reliability. Simple is good in some areas that are smaller and not always used, or where cost is a major concern.

If you want the best efficiency though, get a condensing modulating boiler in the 100,000 BTU range and set up a full hydronic system.

This assumes you'll be using natural gas or propane.
 
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