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In Home interference…electrical, bluetooth, wifi, AGM sensor failures, computer operations, networking cables, odd smart phone behaviors, FM radio signal problems, smart tv menu function(s), OverTheAirTv Interference.

I am hoping to find some answers, get some info and help to resolve. Throughout the years, there has been a number of great answers found here that were provided by intelligent and experienced members. I am hoping to find these people again.

After doing as much homework as possible and speaking with local electricians, cable/satellite and internet installers, I still cannot find my answer(s) to resolve my electrical and other interference problems. My home is a 1976 home with brick exterior, low height, low angled asphalt shingled roof which is capped by tin panels and has small sized wood framed, double paned windows. It is a common conservative design of this area (single level with basement) and seems to be well built by craftsman. My wife and I looked for seven years to find this home.

The in attic power circuit lines are very organized and neatly placed in two different pathways branching off from a single grouped pathway. I have been told that this grouping of wires can cause some EMF problems versus sloppily laid out power circuit lines. When measured from the rooms directly below the circuit pathways with a ceiling height of 8ft, the TriField TF2 meter held at 24 inches away from ceiling measures 400-600 v/m (Volts per Meter). I know that I am measuring an AC line but unsure if the TriField TF2 meter is measuring DC voltage that is being radiated.

As I am writing this I just went and measured 770 v/m at 8” from the ceiling which is measured through paint, a cement ceiling with wire grid to provide radiant heat, drywall support, 2x4 studding with some areas on 16” centers, some area on 24 “centers, and through loose loose blown fiberglass insulation. The total width of the ceiling cement/drywall/paint is near 7/8”. (see Pic (2021.01.31.1212.01.Ceiling.RadiantHeat.WithInternalHeatingWireShown.20210131_121201.jpg)) So the circuit supply lines might be 4 inches away from the electrical grid used for radiant heat. I have been told that this heating grid acts like a di-pole antenna when the thermostat is in an open position causing further spread of the interference.

Across the street from my home (100ft East) are 35ft poles that have a tightly spaced 3 phase electric lines whereas the small insulators make it seem to be a line near 7200-7800 Vac. In other areas, I have seen this same size insulator upon 3000-4000 v lines. My home’s service drop is near 120ft in length of small diameter aluminum. I am unsure of the x/0 size but believe it is referred to as a 30amp drop. I am the only house upon this transformer.

With the TriField TF2 meter held at 6 ft with the device’s selector in the standard electricity position, while pointing straight up at the powerline wire span dead ending insulators, which have jumper wires to the other side of the pole and more dead ending insulators, which then continue on to the next pole which has my home’s transformer upon, I measure 500v/m where I am standing. This makes me suspect resonance as I walk in the opposite direction towards midspan, away from the dead ending insulators and jumpers and away from the transformer upon the next pole, as the TriField TF2 meter measured voltage per meter almost disappears at mid-span. I have been told that there is a common problem for this area as some farmers tend to hook up their 3 phase irrigation pumps incorrectly causing phasing problems and powerline circuit resonance problems. I have not seen as to how this might be happening, but I want to believe the theory based upon their suspected financial motivators and associated frugalness. There are at least twenty 3 phase motors upon the circuit that my home is supplied by. There are 12 small sized homes with multiple outbuildings/shops upon the same circuit. There are numerous 3 phase pumps within the area and I have been told that as soon as the power company finds a motor that is wired incorrectly and fixes it, 6 other farmers in six different directions mis-wire their pumps creating more problems based upon “my dad/grandpa has been wiring it like this for years” while very few of them having proper electrical phase training. I have been told that this seems to be a never ending problem.

Directly south of my home (250 ft) is a set of railroad tracks, RR power lines, and electrical utility lines that t- off and supply my home and others upon the same circuit. I once counted 16 conductors that are in very close proximity and at a lesser height level when compared to my earlier described eastern lines. Said southern lines run parallel with the RR tracks for many miles. There is a US Hwy upon the RR land and in-between the tracks/powerlines and my home. So the train travels on one direct side of the multiple powerlines, and 60 mph cars, trucks, trailers, and semis upon the opposite side of the 16 grouped wires. Some of the supporting powerpoles are within 24 inches of the white line that defines the outer edge of traffic. A few times per year someone will hit a pole while breaking it off at ground level taking down the oxidized and brittle copper lines. I suspect that the grouping(s) of vehicles traveling along these lines and tracks along with the train travel in both directions create something that adds to my interference problem. I believe that it is something near the effect of an emergency flashlight light that a person can shake to charge its internal battery by induction.

Via numerous people, my power supply company has a reputation of providing “dirty electricity.” I barely understand what dirty electricity is and have not been able to measure my home’s input beyond a volt meter and a TriField TF2 meter. When measured, there is a consistent 119.7vac on one leg and 119.8vac on the other leg at the breaker panel. I have not been able to capture any info during an interference problem occurrence. I have been wanting to evaluate further with some sort of oscilloscope, but have not done so yet and might not understand what I am seeing. I also do not know which oscilloscope I should buy.

After again reading Electricity one-seven, revised second addition, 1994, Harry Mileaf, chapter 4-145 through 4-155, which includes a brief low and high pass filters section of yester-year, I suspect that the addition of some capacitors placed on the exterior of my home within a metal service box and wired in between my electric company wifi power meter and my home’s breaker panel will correct most of my power interference problems plus add some capacitance to the longest circuits of my home. Within my home and the further away from the breaker panel that you get, the electrical problems increase. I suspect that this power factor capacitor correction might prevent my window AC unit circuit from periodically popping the breaker, too. The AC unit’s location and breaker panel location are on diagonal opposite ends of the home. I have seen this type of circuit capacitor installation upon many industrial circuits throughout my life but have never figured that I would need to know how to build one, how to choose the correct sized components, add it to a long existing home and correct the power factor potential problems and frequency problems within a home that I might own. As per the reference book, I also have not figured the formulas entirely in order to choose the appropriate sized capacitors/farad(s) ratings.

While speaking again with one of the local area electricians, he relayed that he recently installed something that he referred to as a “$1000 surge protector” into the area of a breaker panel while replacing the main breaker, which was within strip mall building that later became a T-Mobile store. I asked for a model number to further reference the installed part. He couldn’t recall it as the franchise owner or T Mobile supposedly provided the part. I think that I have read about these before but do not know if this will do a better job at a better price than the capacitor bank addition.

I have been slowly adding other things towards my interference problems with small amounts of success with every addition. I have built a faraday cage for my security system NVR, added snapped-on magnetic ferrite beads upon both ends of the data cables near the cameras and NVR, added better grounding to the water well circuit via cleaning up the grounding connection at the water well casing while installing a new pump, added a second grounding rod near the Breaker panel connected to the existing grounding wire but 6 feet further away, have added tinfoil shielding to some of data cables and electric lines near their crossover points, and have lifted the other data cables up to the roof rafters to accomplish a greater separation distance. I have also partially installed tin foil backed styrofoam sheet insulation in between the ceiling rafters while laying the insulation foam tinfoil side down directly upon the ceiling panels in an attempt to create shielding against the overlay of electric circuit lines and in ceiling heating grid wires. I anticipate doing the entire ceiling, but have only completed specific areas.

In addition to all of this and as per multiple warnings from my other neighbors and from multiple professional internet and Sat TV installers, I have a few nefarious neighbors, with their supporting family members and some religious based company(s) that employ cel tower worker monkeys that misbehave and abuse their position and power. I have been told by people who previously worked at these cel tower locations that these people bring in third party laptops that have special script writings and programs upon their laptop intended for and implemented against the new and special neighbors of the area. Once the monkeys capture your phone number and other identifying numbers, these scripts supposedly capture data and interactions that can be used later for their group’s benefit and against the new/special neighbors to interrupt their data transmission ability or monitor their personal interactions. These tower monkeys are not officers of the law, but instead vigilantes trying to prevent this area from turning into Kalifornia while not realizing that their actions are making it happen faster. I was told that from within these tower facilities these people repeatedly organize and capture data and have someone travel around to use some sort of wifi/bluetooth/cel phone interference broadcaster to assist with the coverup of their groups’ activities. When first warned about this, I didn’t believe the story, and started to suspect a crazy neighbor, but after being told this by multiple other people and after witnessing and experiencing too much, I know that I have been told the truth. These people have since repeatedly shown their true colors as I have documented/captured their actions. Early on and shortly after home purchase, I was told by one of the ex-cel tower employees about how smart and manipulative these people are, how they are a part/family member of a co-op of attorneys and what they were about to do and how they know about my home’s design and will supplement my home’s existing interference problems.

I ask for help in getting the internal home interference under better control which might make it easier to identify the other problem sources.

Best Regards to those that respond with help.
 

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I have been around alternating current for my whole existence and to best of my knowledge I personally have not had any adverse effects. I have also drank water from lead pipes and lived aboard a ship powered by two nuclear reactors. I have worked with equipment insulated with asbestos and replaced brake linings and clutch plates that also included the mineral.

I'm not saying that the OP doesn't have valid personal concerns, but my personal experience does not support a panic driven response.
 

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I am sorry, couldn't read that novel...

1) if interference is Noise, you can add more dry wall or insulation.

2) if the interference is EMI or any type of magnetic / radio. your best bet is to move.
you can try Ferriday cage and surround your whole house with a sheet metal and ground all metal planes... It will get you. Besides that... there have been studies, but not quite proven yet, people living near power lines gets mutated with 3 legs or something......

Just saying, you can't block EMI from low frequency, high frequency electrical magnetic waves.
 

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In Home interference…electrical, bluetooth, wifi, AGM sensor failures, computer operations, networking cables, odd smart phone behaviors, FM radio signal problems, smart tv menu function(s), OverTheAirTv Interference.



I am hoping to find some answers, get some info and help to resolve. Throughout the years, there has been a number of great answers found here that were provided by intelligent and experienced members. I am hoping to find these people again.



After doing as much homework as possible and speaking with local electricians, cable/satellite and internet installers, I still cannot find my answer(s) to resolve my electrical and other interference problems. My home is a 1976 home with brick exterior, low height, low angled asphalt shingled roof which is capped by tin panels and has small sized wood framed, double paned windows. It is a common conservative design of this area (single level with basement) and seems to be well built by craftsman. My wife and I looked for seven years to find this home.



The in attic power circuit lines are very organized and neatly placed in two different pathways branching off from a single grouped pathway. I have been told that this grouping of wires can cause some EMF problems versus sloppily laid out power circuit lines. When measured from the rooms directly below the circuit pathways with a ceiling height of 8ft, the TriField TF2 meter held at 24 inches away from ceiling measures 400-600 v/m (Volts per Meter). I know that I am measuring an AC line but unsure if the TriField TF2 meter is measuring DC voltage that is being radiated.



As I am writing this I just went and measured 770 v/m at 8” from the ceiling which is measured through paint, a cement ceiling with wire grid to provide radiant heat, drywall support, 2x4 studding with some areas on 16” centers, some area on 24 “centers, and through loose loose blown fiberglass insulation. The total width of the ceiling cement/drywall/paint is near 7/8”. (see Pic (2021.01.31.1212.01.Ceiling.RadiantHeat.WithInternalHeatingWireShown.20210131_121201.jpg)) So the circuit supply lines might be 4 inches away from the electrical grid used for radiant heat. I have been told that this heating grid acts like a di-pole antenna when the thermostat is in an open position causing further spread of the interference.



Across the street from my home (100ft East) are 35ft poles that have a tightly spaced 3 phase electric lines whereas the small insulators make it seem to be a line near 7200-7800 Vac. In other areas, I have seen this same size insulator upon 3000-4000 v lines. My home’s service drop is near 120ft in length of small diameter aluminum. I am unsure of the x/0 size but believe it is referred to as a 30amp drop. I am the only house upon this transformer.



With the TriField TF2 meter held at 6 ft with the device’s selector in the standard electricity position, while pointing straight up at the powerline wire span dead ending insulators, which have jumper wires to the other side of the pole and more dead ending insulators, which then continue on to the next pole which has my home’s transformer upon, I measure 500v/m where I am standing. This makes me suspect resonance as I walk in the opposite direction towards midspan, away from the dead ending insulators and jumpers and away from the transformer upon the next pole, as the TriField TF2 meter measured voltage per meter almost disappears at mid-span. I have been told that there is a common problem for this area as some farmers tend to hook up their 3 phase irrigation pumps incorrectly causing phasing problems and powerline circuit resonance problems. I have not seen as to how this might be happening, but I want to believe the theory based upon their suspected financial motivators and associated frugalness. There are at least twenty 3 phase motors upon the circuit that my home is supplied by. There are 12 small sized homes with multiple outbuildings/shops upon the same circuit. There are numerous 3 phase pumps within the area and I have been told that as soon as the power company finds a motor that is wired incorrectly and fixes it, 6 other farmers in six different directions mis-wire their pumps creating more problems based upon “my dad/grandpa has been wiring it like this for years” while very few of them having proper electrical phase training. I have been told that this seems to be a never ending problem.



Directly south of my home (250 ft) is a set of railroad tracks, RR power lines, and electrical utility lines that t- off and supply my home and others upon the same circuit. I once counted 16 conductors that are in very close proximity and at a lesser height level when compared to my earlier described eastern lines. Said southern lines run parallel with the RR tracks for many miles. There is a US Hwy upon the RR land and in-between the tracks/powerlines and my home. So the train travels on one direct side of the multiple powerlines, and 60 mph cars, trucks, trailers, and semis upon the opposite side of the 16 grouped wires. Some of the supporting powerpoles are within 24 inches of the white line that defines the outer edge of traffic. A few times per year someone will hit a pole while breaking it off at ground level taking down the oxidized and brittle copper lines. I suspect that the grouping(s) of vehicles traveling along these lines and tracks along with the train travel in both directions create something that adds to my interference problem. I believe that it is something near the effect of an emergency flashlight light that a person can shake to charge its internal battery by induction.



Via numerous people, my power supply company has a reputation of providing “dirty electricity.” I barely understand what dirty electricity is and have not been able to measure my home’s input beyond a volt meter and a TriField TF2 meter. When measured, there is a consistent 119.7vac on one leg and 119.8vac on the other leg at the breaker panel. I have not been able to capture any info during an interference problem occurrence. I have been wanting to evaluate further with some sort of oscilloscope, but have not done so yet and might not understand what I am seeing. I also do not know which oscilloscope I should buy.



After again reading Electricity one-seven, revised second addition, 1994, Harry Mileaf, chapter 4-145 through 4-155, which includes a brief low and high pass filters section of yester-year, I suspect that the addition of some capacitors placed on the exterior of my home within a metal service box and wired in between my electric company wifi power meter and my home’s breaker panel will correct most of my power interference problems plus add some capacitance to the longest circuits of my home. Within my home and the further away from the breaker panel that you get, the electrical problems increase. I suspect that this power factor capacitor correction might prevent my window AC unit circuit from periodically popping the breaker, too. The AC unit’s location and breaker panel location are on diagonal opposite ends of the home. I have seen this type of circuit capacitor installation upon many industrial circuits throughout my life but have never figured that I would need to know how to build one, how to choose the correct sized components, add it to a long existing home and correct the power factor potential problems and frequency problems within a home that I might own. As per the reference book, I also have not figured the formulas entirely in order to choose the appropriate sized capacitors/farad(s) ratings.



While speaking again with one of the local area electricians, he relayed that he recently installed something that he referred to as a “$1000 surge protector” into the area of a breaker panel while replacing the main breaker, which was within strip mall building that later became a T-Mobile store. I asked for a model number to further reference the installed part. He couldn’t recall it as the franchise owner or T Mobile supposedly provided the part. I think that I have read about these before but do not know if this will do a better job at a better price than the capacitor bank addition.



I have been slowly adding other things towards my interference problems with small amounts of success with every addition. I have built a faraday cage for my security system NVR, added snapped-on magnetic ferrite beads upon both ends of the data cables near the cameras and NVR, added better grounding to the water well circuit via cleaning up the grounding connection at the water well casing while installing a new pump, added a second grounding rod near the Breaker panel connected to the existing grounding wire but 6 feet further away, have added tinfoil shielding to some of data cables and electric lines near their crossover points, and have lifted the other data cables up to the roof rafters to accomplish a greater separation distance. I have also partially installed tin foil backed styrofoam sheet insulation in between the ceiling rafters while laying the insulation foam tinfoil side down directly upon the ceiling panels in an attempt to create shielding against the overlay of electric circuit lines and in ceiling heating grid wires. I anticipate doing the entire ceiling, but have only completed specific areas.



In addition to all of this and as per multiple warnings from my other neighbors and from multiple professional internet and Sat TV installers, I have a few nefarious neighbors, with their supporting family members and some religious based company(s) that employ cel tower worker monkeys that misbehave and abuse their position and power. I have been told by people who previously worked at these cel tower locations that these people bring in third party laptops that have special script writings and programs upon their laptop intended for and implemented against the new and special neighbors of the area. Once the monkeys capture your phone number and other identifying numbers, these scripts supposedly capture data and interactions that can be used later for their group’s benefit and against the new/special neighbors to interrupt their data transmission ability or monitor their personal interactions. These tower monkeys are not officers of the law, but instead vigilantes trying to prevent this area from turning into Kalifornia while not realizing that their actions are making it happen faster. I was told that from within these tower facilities these people repeatedly organize and capture data and have someone travel around to use some sort of wifi/bluetooth/cel phone interference broadcaster to assist with the coverup of their groups’ activities. When first warned about this, I didn’t believe the story, and started to suspect a crazy neighbor, but after being told this by multiple other people and after witnessing and experiencing too much, I know that I have been told the truth. These people have since repeatedly shown their true colors as I have documented/captured their actions. Early on and shortly after home purchase, I was told by one of the ex-cel tower employees about how smart and manipulative these people are, how they are a part/family member of a co-op of attorneys and what they were about to do and how they know about my home’s design and will supplement my home’s existing interference problems.



I ask for help in getting the internal home interference under better control which might make it easier to identify the other problem sources.



Best Regards to those that respond with help.
A tin foil hat connected to your shoes would fix the problem.
 

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My guess OP has a vested interest in the meter sales linked in post 2 ??????

Also knew the tin foil solution would make the top 10 posts.
 
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Rhyno...I'm not an electrical engineer, but I use them as necessary and this is a case where I would definitely be using one.

It sounds like you're not sure if your problem is EMF or "dirty electrical power". I had an issue with a newly installed electric injection molding machine, years ago and the mfg. said the problem was "dirty power", which would be my problem to solve. I hired my extremely talented electrical engineer and he ended up having me install a capacitor bank, plus some coils on the incoming lines feeding the capacitor bank. I had taken power factor reading before the installation and I remember them being in the 60's and after the installation it was in the upper 80's. This solved the issues I was having with the machine and also helped me understand how important it was to have someone like that in my network. He highly suspected the bad power was coming from a welding shop nearby. I'm wondering if those local irrigation pump motors could be causing you an issue?

As far as EMF, you may want to use a "hillbilly" meter and go out at night with a 4' fluorescent tube, walk around your house to see if you get any flickering. Either way, it's an interesting situation to me that you're having and your very articulated and thorough post certainly offers enough information to get some better responses than mine.

Good luck and update the thread if you find anything relevant.
 

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Coming from the induction heating field I have seen the noise that can be created. Get your hands on a power quality meter, utility may provide one. Allow it to collect data for a day or two. Analyze that and then go forward.
Both photos are the same line, one from idle line and one when the converter fires for the sun gear heat treatment. There are noisy units in the world.
 

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Power system interference is virtually DC and easily ignored as far as things in the Bluetooth and WiFi spectrum are concerned. Even when talking harmonics, the 5th harmonic is still such a low frequency it would be of no concern for Gigahertz devices.

Power system interference isn’t causing problems with WiFi and Bluetooth in your home.
 
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TL;DR - what problem are you trying to fix?

In Home interference…electrical, bluetooth, wifi, AGM sensor failures, computer operations, networking cables, odd smart phone behaviors, FM radio signal problems, smart tv menu function(s), OverTheAirTv Interference.

I am hoping to find some answers, get some info and help to resolve. Throughout the years, there has been a number of great answers found here that were provided by intelligent and experienced members. I am hoping to find these people again.

After doing as much homework as possible and speaking with local electricians, cable/satellite and internet installers, I still cannot find my answer(s) to resolve my electrical and other interference problems. .......

........ my home’s existing interference problems.

I ask for help in getting the internal home interference under better control which might make it easier to identify the other problem sources.

Best Regards to those that respond with help.

See above shortened summary and thread title.
 
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I have been around alternating current for my whole existence and to best of my knowledge I personally have not had any adverse effects. I have also drank water from lead pipes and lived aboard a ship powered by two nuclear reactors. I have worked with equipment insulated with asbestos and replaced brake linings and clutch plates that also included the mineral.

I'm not saying that the OP doesn't have valid personal concerns, but my personal experience does not support a panic driven response.

Thanks for the reply. I am not presenting a panic motivation. I am asking for help to resolve.
 
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I read through that twice and I still don't know what your question is.


In Home interference…electrical, bluetooth, wifi, AGM sensor failures, computer operations, networking cables, odd smart phone behaviors, FM radio signal problems, smart tv menu function(s), OverTheAirTv Interference.

I am hoping to find some answers, get some info and help to resolve. Throughout the years, there has been a number of great answers found here that were provided by intelligent and experienced members. I am hoping to find these people again.

After doing as much homework as possible and speaking with local electricians, cable/satellite and internet installers, I still cannot find my answer(s) to resolve my electrical and other interference problems. .......

........ my home’s existing interference problems.

I ask for help in getting the internal home interference under better control which might make it easier to identify the other problem sources.

Best Regards to those that respond with help.

Thanks for your reply, maybe this shortened version will assist.
 
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Rhyno...I'm not an electrical engineer, but I use them as necessary and this is a case where I would definitely be using one.

It sounds like you're not sure if your problem is EMF or "dirty electrical power". I had an issue with a newly installed electric injection molding machine, years ago and the mfg. said the problem was "dirty power", which would be my problem to solve. I hired my extremely talented electrical engineer and he ended up having me install a capacitor bank, plus some coils on the incoming lines feeding the capacitor bank. I had taken power factor reading before the installation and I remember them being in the 60's and after the installation it was in the upper 80's. This solved the issues I was having with the machine and also helped me understand how important it was to have someone like that in my network. He highly suspected the bad power was coming from a welding shop nearby. I'm wondering if those local irrigation pump motors could be causing you an issue?

As far as EMF, you may want to use a "hillbilly" meter and go out at night with a 4' fluorescent tube, walk around your house to see if you get any flickering. Either way, it's an interesting situation to me that you're having and your very articulated and thorough post certainly offers enough information to get some better responses than mine.

Good luck and update the thread if you find anything relevant.

Thanks for the reply and your reference to previous similarities. Your evaluation is correct and I suspect that I am suffering from both EMF and dirty electricity.

Without complete understanding of your referenced moves and additions within the story, I assume that the installed coils were acting as some sort of transformer. I do appreciate the story as it adds another confirmation towards my direction.

You are also correct with the understanding that some welding machines and some motors create and radiate radio frequencies. I ask that anyone reading along take note of the plural form of frequency. I cannot recall the specifics, but I have witnessed multiple examples whereas capacitors or coils, when selected correctly, capture and block frequencies from a specified point in the frequency spectrum in either director.....creating a filter....which is supported by the referenced Electricity book in the original post.

I don't know if the "hillbilly" meter will add to my resolve, but thanks for the chuckle as I remembered seeing a youtube video of this theory that involved a cranked up CB, a minivan, and some cold beverages.

Thanks for the positive post.
 
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Coming from the induction heating field I have seen the noise that can be created. Get your hands on a power quality meter, utility may provide one. Allow it to collect data for a day or two. Analyze that and then go forward.
Both photos are the same line, one from idle line and one when the converter fires for the sun gear heat treatment. There are noisy units in the world.

Thanks for the reply and attachments that will help me understand the next steps. I have asked for help from the power supply company and they only provided a near retirement overweight man to drive out and stand in front of my power meter without any tools for 3 minutes. He didn't even take his hands out of his pants pockets. He made sure to have the security cameras witness his neck breaking moves as he walked under the service drop. These actions were followed up by an email that included local laws and how it was my responsibility from the meter to the load inside of my home.

I will investigate the referenced tool and ask you for a PM.

Best Regards and thanks for your additions.
 

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Thanks for your reply, maybe this shortened version will assist.

I am retired, but hope my thoughts help.

still not clear on what you are asking for...

many of the items you listed could be operation errors, improper setup, lack of software updates over time and so on.

eliminating the outside plant OR the home wiring would be a great diagnostic success.

Similarly grounds, loose connections, copious use of power strips, and overloaded/unbalanced power and so on could be root causes.

It would help to list the problem child, and actual symptom, ie ...
cell phone random dials
FM signal fades deeply every noon

and so on.
 
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Power system interference is virtually DC and easily ignored as far as things in the Bluetooth and WiFi spectrum are concerned. Even when talking harmonics, the 5th harmonic is still such a low frequency it would be of no concern for Gigahertz devices.

Power system interference isn’t causing problems with WiFi and Bluetooth in your home.

Thanks for your reply and post. I agree with the theory that you have presented.

Unfortunately, there are some frequent times that the interference is so strong that you can actually feel small pinches or hypothetical needle pokes on your back in the shoulder area.

I have not heard of the 5th harmonic that you have referenced. Can you reference an information source other than google?

Knowing that the bluetooth and wifi are both 2.4 Ghz but at different transmit power levels......
From your understanding, what would create bluetooth interference?

Wifi interference?

NFC interference associated to CGM function which actually makes the CGM circuit board and memory stop working for 3 hours? This sensor failure happens within a specific time frame zone and also occasionally when I drive up under the transformer as I back into my driveway.

Additionally, I actually have a video of a rolling frequency when witnessed upon a frequency screen on an ICOM ic2820. I watched this mark slowly roll up the frequency spectrum and then back down to have it turn around and go up within the frequency again. It seemed that this was an intentional effort. Every time it passed the freq that I was on (146Mhz) the radio communications stopped functioning for a few seconds. I later tried to capture this again with a software based radio stick but have not been successful in doing this nor understanding the turn around points of the top or the bottom of the frequency sweep.

Thanks again for your help in understanding.
 

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AGM sensor? > https://agmelectronics.com/Products/Overview.aspx
You are running VFD's or remote tank level sensors?

Probably best to select one problem like Wifi and describe the symptoms of that issue and troubleshoot accordingly, while keeping in mind there are other issues that may or may not be connected.
Trying to troubleshoot multiple issues at once can sometimes only muddy the waters so to speak and make it more difficult to see the solution.

For TV signal interference I can tell that high tension electric towers if near you and in the direction of the stations broadcast site can interfere a buddy had that issue years ago but that was solved when they ran cable in his area.......................
 

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Thanks for the reference link. Have you used this or something similar before?

50 years of dealing with "noise" on the power line and weird things happening in power systems/grounds/boats/stationary power/ground loops and so on.

While the overweight retired guy may have appeared to be less than expected, many a cracked power line insulator, loose ground, power line noise sources and random occurrences can be seen from the ground by someone who knows what he is looking for/at. Same with observing the plant when wet, frozen, snow covered, etc.

If you can describe your problems strategically, I would call the power company and ask for a tier one or tier two support person to respond to each of your problems. I have found the power company to be quite helpful, if given a chance. That may help locate the root, or at least rule them out as the source.

ARRL (I saw the 2 meter Freq) has an expert group of folks to help with these things, you might read up there or give HQ a call.
 
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I am retired, but hope my thoughts help.

still not clear on what you are asking for...

many of the items you listed could be operation errors, improper setup, lack of software updates over time and so on.
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I realize that this is a lot to digest and appreciate your efforts towards my resolution.

I am not denying your suggestion of operation errors, improper setup, but do not see this suggestions relevance other than "good advice" and a generalized common issues.

The affected home items have current updates, too. If update-able circuit breakers are ever introduced, I doubt that I will purchase.


I am ...........

eliminating the outside plant OR the home wiring would be a great diagnostic success..........

Is eliminating the outside plant reference a joke of gardening or power supply plant?...as I do not understand this or your direction of suggestion of how to eliminate the home wiring? Do you mean to turn off a breaker to power down a specific circuit during a diagnostic attempt?

I have used the TF2 meter and have walked outside during a diagnostic attempt and have different results for the front of the home versus the rear. Both results lead back towards the railroad track inductance suspictions, the resonance of the powerlines, and the in-home internal interference which is the cause for requesting help and knowledge around the means for additional measurement, the appropriate capacitor selection and experience of the "$1000 surge protector."


I am ........

Similarly grounds, loose connections, copious use of power strips, and overloaded/unbalanced power and so on could be root causes.
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As stated in the original post, I repaired the water pump grounding and have added an additional ground rod near the breaker box.

What I did not mention is that I have gone through every switch and outlet replacing the cheap and noisy devices ($.99 garbage installed by the home flipper that I have named HalfArsedAdam) after being measured with the TriField TF2 meter. Some locations had larger drops than other in measured 'volts per meter' when measured at 9 inches offset.

Along the way I have found a few loose connection screws and wiring connections that by theory improve my situation.

I have also evaluated the breaker panel for loose wire connections and loose breaker contact points. A few breaker have been replaced.


I am ........

It would help to list the problem child, and actual symptom, ie ...
cell phone random dials
FM signal fades deeply every noon

and so on.

I am trying to identify 'the problem child' which is why this thread was started. I believe that most of the symptoms and particulars are listed. I do realize that this is a lot of info to consume and process. I appreciate the positive directioned help.

I will later work upon furthering this list as my time opens up again.

Good day to all.
 
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AGM sensor? > https://agmelectronics.com/Products/Overview.aspx
You are running VFD's or remote tank level sensors?

Probably best to select one problem like Wifi and describe the symptoms of that issue and troubleshoot accordingly, while keeping in mind there are other issues that may or may not be connected.
Trying to troubleshoot multiple issues at once can sometimes only muddy the waters so to speak and make it more difficult to see the solution.

For TV signal interference I can tell that high tension electric towers if near you and in the direction of the stations broadcast site can interfere a buddy had that issue years ago but that was solved when they ran cable in his area.......................

Thanks for the reply.

I am not running any VFDs or remote tank level sensors. I have learned throughout life that VFDs are noisy. Instead it is a disposable device that uses Near Field Communications (NFC), is battery powered, collects data measurements, time and trends.

As listed in the original post, there are powerlines upon two sides of my property. They are not High lines in either voltage or height, but instead distribution lines and railroad lines. I receive TV signals from 2 different directions.

My road does not have cable tv nor internet service even though there is a fiber box 150ft away from my home. One mile in either direction up or down the US hwy, there is cable, internet, telephone service provided. Even the Comcast or AT&T internet installer does not want to provide service to anyone outside of his family line even though he is paid to do so. I finally can connect via cel hotspot which explains my long lapse in thread activity.
 

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Thanks for the reply and your reference to previous similarities. Your evaluation is correct and I suspect that I am suffering from both EMF and dirty electricity.

I hope I'm not being dense, but do you mean some electrical equipment in your house is suffering, or that you are personally suffering? If it's equipment, if you can be more specific about what equipment and how it's being affected that will help. For the other possibility I can't provide much advice.
 
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I hope I'm not being dense, but do you mean some electrical equipment in your house is suffering, or that you are personally suffering? If it's equipment, if you can be more specific about what equipment and how it's being affected that will help. For the other possibility I can't provide much advice.

Most of the problems are equipment problems, but occasionally you can feel the electrical bite upon your shoulders. I assume that this bite happens when the interference is at a higher level.
 

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I would try to work on one type of interference at a time. Have the interfered with item on and working all the time and monitored. Keep a journal of the type, timing and duration of the interference.

Lots of things can cause interference and lots of things are not required to be free from interference.

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Most of the problems are equipment problems, but occasionally you can feel the electrical bite upon your shoulders. I assume that this bite happens when the interference is at a higher level.
You are not being specific. You need to state EXACTLY what devices are having trouble and EXACTLY what symptoms they are showing. Modern electronic devices can reject an absolutely absurd amount of electrical noise and interference before they start having issues.

There is no way you can feel an "electrical bite" on your shoulders. I have friends who work at power plants and they don't "feel" that even in the HT yard.
 

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You are not being specific. You need to state EXACTLY what devices are having trouble and EXACTLY what symptoms they are showing. Modern electronic devices can reject an absolutely absurd amount of electrical noise and interference before they start having issues.

There is no way you can feel an "electrical bite" on your shoulders. I have friends who work at power plants and they don't "feel" that even in the HT yard.

He won't, because he's chasing imaginary problems. There's no "filtering" difference between a $.49 Home Depot bargain bin switch versus a $15 Hospital grade switch.

This is in the same vein as "I can feel the wifi" people.
 

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You are not being specific. You need to state EXACTLY what devices are having trouble and EXACTLY what symptoms they are showing. Modern electronic devices can reject an absolutely absurd amount of electrical noise and interference before they start having issues.

There is no way you can feel an "electrical bite" on your shoulders. I have friends who work at power plants and they don't "feel" that even in the HT yard.

Amen! ask anyone with a pacemaker :thumbup:
 

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Ghostbusters called...they think you are imagining things.


Most of the problems are equipment problems, but occasionally you can feel the electrical bite upon your shoulders. I assume that this bite happens when the interference is at a higher level.

Have you been in a wooded area? Could be ticks.

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I knew of someone at one time that claimed that his smart electric meter on the outside of his house caused him health issues. Got to the point, where he actually sold the house and moved. Was he actually experiencing problems, who knows. If you go on the internet, there are all kinds of theory's on this subject. Hell, some even claim that using a cell phone can cause brain cancer. I would think that some level of EMF is everywhere with everything being wireless. I'm sure that meter will go crazy around those high power lines. Is it harmful, who knows. I have worked around some high voltage equipment in my days, I have felt something, didn't hurt, made my hair stand up on my arms, I just call it static. What happens when you walk through a metal detector, do you feel something then. What kind of interference on equipment are you experiencing.
 

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look up "electromagnetic hypersensitivity" it's a real thing.
 
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