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While following some other links here, I came across this. Interesting to say the least. If you had enough width in your shop, you could put it in there and use it regardless of the weather. I wonder how many times you could inflate and deflate it before it wouldn't "flate" any more? Looks like it's good for individual parts and small roller skate cars, but probably pretty cramped for anything full size. (truck)
It would be a bummer for it to develop a leak in the middle of a full paint session.
 
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I saw this too. Don’t think he quotes the cost? Looks too big to put in the garage which I wanted it for. Looks taller then 12 feet?


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Not only that I don't think it's really a true booth and won't work inside. A booth draws air thru to pull fumes out. A clean room pressurizes, blows paint and fumes everywhere, out every crack. A paint booth is under negative pressure, draws fresh, takes it out. With pressure the whole room would be full of fumes, inside would blow the whole garage full.
 
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Not only that I don't think it's really a true booth and won't work inside. A booth draws air thru to pull fumes out. A clean room pressurizes, blows paint and fumes everywhere, out every crack. A paint booth is under negative pressure, draws fresh, takes it out. With pressure the whole room would be full of fumes, inside would blow the whole garage full.

For inside, I thought that you could put an inlet and outlet pipe on it for that. PVC or something like that.
 

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Only if its tight enough and got a fan drawing out,,, not pushing in. A small pipe wouldn't make enough air. It would likely take over 1/2 hp and closer to 3/4 hp or so. About the same as a powerful furnace blower.
 

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I’ve been looking at these and the prices start at $1500 and go up depending on size and who’s selling it. If I pull the trigger on one I’ll be using it outside the shop when weather permits it.
 

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I would worry that overspray that lands on the plastic may flake off when next used. I'd be exploring other options at that price.
 

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I saw this too. Don’t think he quotes the cost? Looks too big to put in the garage which I wanted it for. Looks taller then 12 feet?


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He mentions towards the end (11:30 mark) of the video. The booth was about $1K and blowers at $100/ea. He says he into it for about $1300.


Interesting idea but like what happens to him, better have the fans on separate outlets or prevent on having breakers trip.

One single deflation at the wrong time could prove costly.
 

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I've seen these - seems like a strange product that would likely be more trouble than it's worth. $1000+ can buy a lot of plastic sheeting and craigslist blowers with room left over for a fresh air system. Hell, I've seen 'real' older cast-off paint booths on craigslist in that price range at times over the years if one was really serious and had the room.
 

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I heard the filters aren't replaceable which seems just plain stupid.



& then you have the issue of dried paint flaking off the flexible walls all over your fresh paint...


Rehab Rawlings installed one at one of those businesses he invests in, the guys in the shop looked underwhelmed
 

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I saw it also. That's a hard pass for me. I had enough trouble rolling up a 30x50 tarp. That thing looks like a nightmare to deal with. Let alone use.
 
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I saw it also. That's a hard pass for me. I had enough trouble rolling up a 30x50 tarp. That thing looks like a nightmare to deal with. Let alone use.

But, but, but,,,,,,,,,, didn't you see how simple it was to unpackage and blow it up? Just put the blower in reverse!:lol_hitti

And folding it back up with dried paint inside would indeed make for lots of paint flakes, waiting to attack your nice wet paint.

Of course, it could start a new trend. Instead of metal flake, it would be HUGE flake.
 

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If a booth is clearing properly there isn't flakes of paint on the walls. It has all been pulled out thru the fan. The video seemed to indicate that this was pressurized in 2 parts, one for the structure and another for the inside working room. If that is the case this is not a paint booth but a form of clean room, totally different and hazardous to the operator.
In my case you can see the fan has pulled the corners and all the flaps tight and lets air in over top of the end wall. You can stand up wind next to the painter as its running and not even smell paint, the only vapor in the air is down wind in the ventilation stream.
 
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http://finishingacademy.com/aerospace-finishing-training/paint-booth-pressure-levels/
They messed with this link and it takes more study. It was super simple at one time and I suspect it was too good, after guys read it the lights came on and they had less need for the school. A guy names Thelen wrote the first one, I believe they kept the same page and modified it with new content.

The original was a couple 3 pages with practical theory, not a lot to remember but once it was understood it was a lesson on how to change and clear the air in a room, its relationship to outside the room and a couple other things about tuning.
 
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http://finishingacademy.com/aerospace-finishing-training/paint-booth-pressure-levels/
They messed with this link and it takes more study. It was super simple at one time and I suspect it was too good, after guys read it the lights came on and they had less need for the school. A guy names Thelen wrote the first one, I believe they kept the same page and modified it with new content.

The original was a couple 3 pages with practical theory, not a lot to remember but once it was understood it was a lesson on how to change and clear the air in a room, its relationship to outside the room and a couple other things about tuning.

Interesting link, thanks.
 

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I have used a few varieties of these over the last 7 years or so. Cheap and not so cheap at all, two were over $11k. Glad they were not my dime. Painted several complete cars in them, mostly classics, and lots of parts/fender benders. Did them for myself, friends, and work. Never had a problem with leaks or the power going out with any of them. Would definitely be a problem if it did deflate, especially before the project was dry. They actually go up fast, imo. Taking them down and rolling them up is a whole different story! That does take a little effort. With a helper, I can have one packed in about 20 minutes. The cheap booths are a knock-off of the Carcoon booths. I have sprayed in Carcoon, Mobile Environmental, and the cheap Chinese booths. All of them have major issues. For me, airflow was the biggest problem in all of them. Like sberry mentioned, a standard stationary cross draft booth uses negative pressure drawing air through the booth, usually with a tube axial exhaust fan. Although, you can add an air make-up unit so clean air is forced into the intake. All the inflatables I have used and have seen use a positive pressure system with no good way to exhaust the fumes with just forced air on the intake side. For little parts it is not that big of a deal, but for big projects, forget about it. It is like you are in a sauna. You can not see your hand in front of your face when spraying clear, base is not too bad. Over spray just hangs around and falls into the project creating huge problems. I asked a particular manufacturer what their air flow fpm was within their booths, approximately. I was actually told that they do not care about air flow, they just care about air changes? After I mentioned the obvious that both air flow and air changes are directly related, he proceeded to tell me he did not know the air flow fpm. He mentioned their standard size booth has approximately one air change every 2 minutes or so. Doing the math, that comes out to be about 12fpm air flow. That explains alot. If I remember correctly, stationary cross draft booths, which are the same basic style as all the inflatables on the market, are designed for 100fpm and downdrafts about half that in order to get proper airflow. Then, the size of their standard booths are so small it is impossible to walk around the entire car comfortably unless you are painting a Yugo (or maybe a Smart car if you are one of those young folks!). They usually give you just outside dimensions, not interior. Oh, and then there is dirt. The style with the pressurized cabin before the air enters the painting area (Carcoon and Chinese) is just a nuisance. The blower that supplies air into the booth just pulls dirt from the floor outside and forces into the pressurized cabin area. Then, if you walk through the door into your painting area, dirt just comes right in with you. Learned quickly not to use that door while the feed blower is running. Cheap Chinese booth filters on the intake and exhaust sides are useless, too, imo. The intake filters on the cheap booths I have used would let grains of sand through! Their exhaust filters choke the whole system. I was actually able to get a cheap one working ok with several modifications.

Wow, what a long rant! Sorry. I guess what I am saying is that in my humble opinion, I think the inflatables are a good idea, but the reality of using what available now is not much better, if any, then just making your own booth. I guess they have a place in the industry, they seem to sell. And, I guess nothing is perfect.
 

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Some folks go to great lengths for a paint job. I just cover what I dont want overspray on with sheets and vacuum the floor after dusting the ceiling with air nozzle. Hang panels from ceiling. Never any issues. Done it this way for decades
 

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I'm fixing up my garage with intentions of painting a few vehicles in there from time to time. I've got 2 windows on the back wall that i will open and put large furnace filters over them for fresh air intake then between the overhead doors (2 7x9 doors) I'm gonna put a big shutter exhaust fan in the wall. Then I'll put the car in sideways and have plenty of room to walk around and have a good side flow booth. I do have a question though of should i pull the exhaust right off the floor, up by the ceiling or right out the middle of the wall?

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He fukked it up. He should have tuned the fan for a bit less draw if it was too much. Its not az pressure clean room, it is a booth to draw fumes out.
 

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Ideal is to draw in high and pull out down low, makes a down draft and keeps dirt on the floor.

I always have a window open and lift the 16’ garage door a few garage inches. Keeps the fog to a minimum.


Had air line break near work bench once while painting. The shop lighting illuminated the metal dust cloud as it lifted from the back of work bench and gently settled on the fresh wet paint on truck:bounce:
 
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my new employer has a smaller version of what is in the video, 7' tall i believe. i've never seen it used, but its been setup for a while. they say its for smaller parts and when the "dirty room" has vehicles in it getting their own pain jobs done
fans to keep it inflated, LED shop lights on outside at the windows for light inside.
when i was in the shop today, it was taken down already, so i don't know how easy that was
 

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Interesting.. I had been planning on how I was going to spray my project. I had been looking at these booth's for a while, seen the videos and looked at the Carcoon and other expensive booth's, too rich for me. I want to spray indoors to control temp and humidity and decided on the largest one that will fit in my garage. I chose this one, that is my review on the booth, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D36N4BM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It is wide big enough to get my rotisserie inside. I looked at the other products this company makes, all inflatables, seemed nice quality. I asked them if they would make some changes for me. Added a window to put an airline etc through on each side, removable floor so I can clean it if it gets bad and extra tie loops at the top if I ever do want to use it outside. Great company to work with and looks good and nice quality.
I also did not like the idea of dirty air being blown into the "air room" that MJD mentioned. I bought some shop vac filters that fit great over the intake side of the blowers. One filter on each I thought would impact the blowing ability. See the picture of the blowers on my Amazon review. The only door to the air room on my booth is on the inside, no outside access, that I think would be a bad idea.
The filters in the booth are all replaceable and get installed in a zipper area. I bought some spray booth filter to use in front of the supplied charcoal filters.
Packing the booth up was not too bad, there are large zipper areas on each side which let the air out. I also removed the floor, that might have had it easier.
I have not sprayed in it yet, I am sure it will be better than just spraying inside my garage and getting spray on everything. I have bought all the primer etc, I need to complete a few projects before I get to the spraying stage.
 
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