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Information Overload. (3) Bids, No clue where to go....

parsoli

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Hey all,

I have a 670 sq ft. 3 car garage. Previous owner put down a very thin epoxy just before we bought the house 11 years ago. Within a year or two, the floor was coming up under the tires.

I've had (3) companies come by my house this week to give me quotes to re-coat the floors.

The first vendor did no moisture testing. Was the lowest price for EPOXY ($2500) and deeply discounted a vapor barrier, but didn't say why I needed it. $1200 down to $300 for the barrier alone. 8 day job he says. Not known for being the most responsive company and has some bad reviews along with some good reviews.

The second vendor didn't do moisture testing either. I questioned him on it (because I started reading this forum...thanks!) and he said he sees nothing to indicate any moisture problems. He also stated that most moisture tests are inaccurate and many companies do it just to sell you expensive barrier coatings. He quoted no moisture barrier, but his cost for a polyaspartic/polyurea floor was $3500.

Both vendors quote diamond grinding of course....

Third vendor came out today. Has the best reviews out there in my area for the most part. The first thing he did was used a Wagner meter that had metal prongs on the bottom. He said anything over a "5" and they wouldn't do the job without a barrier applied. He started checking and found the downside slope had 5's all over the place. The upper side of slope was 2's and 3's. He quoted $1900 to put down a Citadel / Rustoleum barrier in our 670 sq ft. Then like the others, diamond sanding, polyurea coat and polyaspartic on top of it. $6000

I read thru this forum and find comments all over the place. I'm hoping someone can help a brother out. We're here another 10 years and I'd like to get the job done right, but $6K is expensive. Also, my concrete has NO cracking, only a very small spot with spalling (3rd vendor said it's almost nothing) and said we have great expansion joints.

What's a guy to do? Wife dropped a load when I told her $6K....as this was my Christmas present from last year. I wrench a little but don't do anything ********* where I'd be considered "rough" on the floor. 3 kids with bikes and things plus my two jeeps.

Any thoughts? I thank everyone in advance for any responses....http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/images/smilies/lol_hitting.gif
 
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Gearheadzs

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Sounds expensive. Is epoxy really needed for your type of use. I am pretty tough on my garage, I decided to go with Racedeck, similar size garage. Seems pretty tough, just installed it the other day. Easy install, you could do it for under 2k and spend the rest you saved on some jeep stuff.
I have a post on it if interested, check it out.

Good luck.
 
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parsoli

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Thanks Gearheadzs. From what I'm reading, the Racedeck will trap moisture under it and start to mold to some extent. Living in Chicago, with all the rain, ice and snow, we get a lot of moisture in the garage itself. So don't think that's the way to go. Again, from what I've read.
 

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Id say keep reading some more on it and look at their freeflow tiles. Lots of people who use in similar climates to yours love it.
You may want to pm Jorgen on this site with additional questions.
If I still lived in climate such as yours, I would have went Racedeck Freeflow. It may be a viable alternative. They give GJ Member discounts as well.


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You don't have to go with solid tile, you can go with Racedeck FreeFlow tile. Racedeck tiles have passages under the tiles so that water will run under the tile toward the drain if you have one, or if the floor is sloped toward the overhead door it will run that way.
 

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Id say keep reading some more on it and look at their freeflow tiles. Lots of people who use in similar climates to yours love it.
You may want to pm Jorgen on this site with additional questions.
If I still lived in climate such as yours, I would have went Racedeck Freeflow. It may be a viable alternative. They give GJ Member discounts as well.


From their website:
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You beat me to it. :beer:
 
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parsoli

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Thanks. I'd have to ask all the guys on this forum about why they bought it and within 6 months said they'd do anything to get rid of them. Everyone has a reason for sure. I just see many folks having problems with smell, discoloration, etc....I'm trying to protect my concrete, not trap water on top of it. But I'll read up. Thanks.
 

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Moisture is intermittent. Even with a negative test, you could have moisture.

It is rare to have a moisture issue. We perform a few hundred installs per year here in the very wet state of Florida and see little issues with moisture.

That said, if the floor is sub-grade or has land sloping to it, a coat of Aqua-Dike is prudent.

My guesstimate without seeing your floor would be 3k for a partial flake, 3500 for a full flake.


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sonoronos

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did the crappy epoxy protect the floor?

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Did the guy with the wagner meter drill holes? I think the meter with the pins in for wood. lol. Some guys use moisture vapor primer on all floors, but if you ask for it you get to pay for it too.
 
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parsoli

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It did for a year or two. Areas of floor not in use look fine. Areas where cars park are thrashed.
 
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parsoli

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Did the guy with the wagner meter drill holes? I think the meter with the pins in for wood. lol. Some guys use moisture vapor primer on all floors, but if you ask for it you get to pay for it too.

yea, it had 3 pins hanging down....but he didn't drill holes. Just placed it on the concrete and hit a button.
 
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parsoli

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Moisture is intermittent. Even with a negative test, you could have moisture.

It is rare to have a moisture issue. We perform a few hundred installs per year here in the very wet state of Florida and see little issues with moisture.

That said, if the floor is sub-grade or has land sloping to it, a coat of Aqua-Dike is prudent.

My guesstimate without seeing your floor would be 3k for a partial flake, 3500 for a full flake.


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Thanks but is that with a vapor barrier or without?
 

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I found GJ while researching flooring....'thought' I wanted epoxy.....

Thanks to GJ I didn't do anything.....and so glad I didn't.

When things slow down I might do Racedeck or Tile.....until then....it's a working garage....
 

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The quality of the epoxy is you problem coming up under tires. I have done several garages over the years and found that there are not many of the so called garage floor covering materials that will do peel where you park your cars. All the good materials I have found are solvent based. Had no luck with waterborn materials.
 

LegacyIndustrial

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Hot Tire Pickup is Latin for " I didn't prep well enough".

Water, solvent, no matter. Prep right or settle for tiles.

Wanted to add... the economic engine of Central Florida (wdw) uses Epoxy in many of the high traffic areas in all the parks. Why??

Because it's tough and it lasts!!

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Hate to say it but the Wagner meters with pins are for wood, not concrete. The only way to test concrete for moisture is with calcium chloride tests or Wagner RH probes which they drill into the floor and put the sensors in. The probes are expensive and can't be retrieved. In both cases they have to come back to get the readings. NO one can give an instant moisture reading on concrete, that's just for show.

https://www.wagnermeters.com/

Best to start out by doing the 'clear sheet plastic moisture test' first. If you have moisture then you need a moisture barrier coating which is not inexpensive.

Suggest you test, then make a decision. Feel free to call us or email directly so we can advise as every job is different!

Extreme example of failed floor due to moisture..not our install, we got called into repair it, over 40,000 sq feet in a self-storage facility.
 

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