Infuriated!

[naturalgas]

One year ago my 36x40 garage burnt to the ground from a lithium battery but that’s not what I’m steaming about. I’m in the process of rebuilding and the frame is up, roofers coming in four days. I’ve got a two week wait for 4 windows and besides two garage doors it’ll be weather tight. Now the original build was 8 yrs. ago and I contacted the company that sold and installed the garage doors then. Well this morning I met the same salesman at my new garage and told him I wanted the exact same doors I had. Well he does his measurements and informs me that with COVID and the such that prices are up 75 to 100 percent. I basically tell him that can’t be possible how do you sell any doors and he talks some BS. Well I got a email with a quote 103% higher than 8 years ago for the same setup. As far as I’m concerned they can stuff their doors where the sun doesn’t shine. Thirty % I can believe but not 100%.

 

[Bill Bowman]

The door company should be considering the cost of materials, and labor, plus a profit margin. Have you looked at other manufacturers products and gotten prices to determine a reasonable market value?

 

[BillK]

They have to be screwing customers am I wrong?

You are probably wrong. Prices of almost everything I touch have close to doubled in the last 5 or 6 years. Certainly in the last 8. A big part of it is labor too. That has gone up like crazy. What size doors and what was the price ?? Just curious because I need to replace one of the ones at my business pretty soon.

 

[Chris_Hamilton]

It's a combination of things. partly rising costs, partly because they can raise prices and blame inflation. It's not just garage doors, it's everything. From food to insurance. I restore old cars for a living. Paint prices have increased nearly 100% in some cases. Currently doing a Porsche and the preferred paint is Glasurit and it has gone from around $1200/gallon to $2500/gallon (Glasurit 55 line basecoat) in just 3 years. Food is the same. The official indexes for inflation are way off. Real inflation is much higher than what's being stated. We are all getting screwed.

 

[PCustoms]

You're wrong.

Go get a few additional quotes on comparable doors.

 

[BrandonV]

Now the original build was 8 yrs. ago and I contacted the company that sold and installed the garage doors then. Well this morning I met the same salesman at my new garage and told him I wanted the exact same doors I had.

Get quotes from other companies. Some companies might inflate prices for return customers, especially if they think insurance is covering the cost.

I don't mean to sound negative, but simply asking for the "same thing" might signal that you won't question the quote as you're not really shopping around.

 

[mike93lx]

This the first time you are buying something since the pandemic?

 

[naturalgas]

You are probably wrong. Prices of almost everything I touch have close to doubled in the last 5 or 6 years. Certainly in the last 8. A big part of it is labor too. That has gone up like crazy. What size doors and what was the price ?? Just curious because I need to replace one of the ones at my business pretty soon.

18’x10 and 6x9. I paid $6,936 eight yrs ago and was quoted $14,622 today for exact replacements. Lumber from same yard was up 32% and same framing crew up 28%.

 

[PCustoms]

18’x10 and 6x9. I paid $6,936 eight yrs ago and was quoted $14,622 today for exact replacements.

Jeezus, I think you overpaid 8yrs ago.

Guessing these aren't your standard plain garage door?

 

[Homewrecker]

That seems to be the case with everything now though. Back in 2013 I got a quote for a steel 16' door and it was about $2000. Got a new quote a few weeks back and it shot up to $4200 for the same type of door. Even the quote I got for my lift back then quadrupled in price now.

 

[ScaldedDog]

General inflation is 30-32% since 2016, so you know you're going to pay 130% of what you paid before, *before considering supply and demand changes*. If the companies involved are public, read their 2016 and 2023 10Ks. If they are "screwing everyone", you'll large differences in gross or operating margins.

Get quotes for comparable doors from other manufacturers and sources, and buy what makes the most sense. No sense getting infuriated.

Mark

 

[Doubled33]

It's a combination of things. partly rising costs, partly because they can raise prices and blame inflation. It's not just garage doors, it's everything. From food to insurance. I restore old cars for a living. Paint prices have increased nearly 100% in some cases. Currently doing a Porsche and the preferred paint is Glasurit and it has gone from around $1200/gallon to $2500/gallon (Glasurit 55 line basecoat) in just 3 years. Food is the same. The official indexes for inflation are way off. Real inflation is much higher than what's being stated. We are all getting screwed.

Are you serious on the 55 line prices?

I purchased some 801-72 pre Covid and think it was around 400 all in (activator etc…)for about a gallon.

 

[Doubled33]

To the OP

What price increases have you seen for the rest of the build? Are they 30 to 40% higher?

 

[Sumboodie]

18’x10 and 6x9. I paid $6,936 eight yrs ago and was quoted $14,622 today for exact replacements. Lumber from same yard was up 32% and same framing crew up 28%.

20x14 with opener was almost $20k... from 4 places.

I'm on hold trying to figure if I'm going to expand the 30x42 and replace the door then or not.
Got a quote for a 30x30 addition and it was $175-195,000.... im.not even kidding.
I was planning on around 60-70k area.

Me-Nards in the L48.... like $6k

I raised my firewood prices about 8% 2 years ago and STILL get people "that's robbery... we used to pay $60 a cord"

Yeah, probably did 30 or 40 years ago.
I started full time in 2013 at $275 a cord. Just keeping with inflation i should be at about $370! I'm at 325.

I also don't charge credit card fees and give a 5% discount for mil and vets.. those are essentially straight out of my pocket.

 

[dchawk81]

One year ago my 36x40 garage burnt to the ground from a lithium battery but that’s not what I’m steaming about. I’m in the process of rebuilding and the frame is up, roofers coming in four days. I’ve got a two week wait for 4 windows and besides two garage doors it’ll be weather tight. Now the original build was 8 yrs. ago and I contacted the company that sold and installed the garage doors then. Well this morning I met the same salesman at my new garage and told him I wanted the exact same doors I had. Well he does his measurements and informs me that with COVID and the such that prices are up 75 to 100 percent. I basically tell him that can’t be possible how do you sell any doors and he talks some BS. Well I got a email with a quote 103% higher than 8 years ago for the same setup. As far as I’m concerned they can stuff their doors where the sun doesn’t shine. Thirty % I can believe but not 100%. They have to be screwing customers am I wrong?

Is this the first item you've bought or tried to buy in the past 8 years?

 

[naturalgas]

Jeezus, I think you overpaid 8yrs ago.

Guessing these aren't your standard plain garage door?

 

[naturalgas]

Not that fancy. On the right front side of building is another plain though good quality 6x9 . I’ll have to check another distributor. I’m pretty sure I got the “ oh he’ll bite price”. Having said that I got 1200 of the original doors from them 8 years ago by haggling about different manufacturers. I’m not new to this although I’m not a builder by trade I’ve overseen my own house build in the past.

 

[liliysdad]

Stuff costs more. It *****. That’s life.

That being said, with the attitude present in the initial post, I doubt the door vendor was sad to lose your business.

 

[Rusted Nut]

I would think your insurance payout was substantially higher than your original build cost, to cover todays higher costs.

 

[naturalgas]

To the OP

What price increases have you seen for the rest of the build? Are they 30 to 40% higher?

28% labor, 32% lumber, windows

 

[inphx]

Go upstream and buy the door direct, ship less than container load (LCL) to local freight depot. Pay the tariff tax asked for and in place now and you will may be steeply discounted - but own the risk.

 

[rjacobs]

I feel like garage doors are similar to HVAC in that they own you and are going to screw you over because the consumer generally doesnt have the ability to install them, set them up right, get the springs wound, etc...

Even on this site full if DIY types, anytime somebody mentions "garage door coil springs" everybody calls out to get a pro out to fix them.

 

[mike93lx]

I feel like garage doors are similar to HVAC in that they own you and are going to screw you over because the consumer generally doesnt have the ability to install them, set them up right, get the springs wound, etc...

Even on this site full if DIY types, anytime somebody mentions "garage door coil springs" everybody calls out to get a pro out to fix them.

garage door springs??



that said, i won't touch mine. it is something i'd hire out, but I would probably be game for setting tracks, mounting the door and then having a pro wind the springs and check it out. just need to find someone willing to do that.

 

[mervyn]

Welcome to 2024.

 

[naturalgas]

I would think your insurance payout was substantially higher than your original build cost, to cover today’s higher costs.

I would think your insurance payout was substantially higher than your original build cost, to cover todays higher costs.

It was not

 

[mike93lx]

this is a great reason to make sure policies have "guaranteed replacement cost" coverage

 

[naturalgas]

this is a great reason to make sure policies have "guaranteed replacement cost" coverage

I could not get replacement cost on detached bldg. home yes. Typically out buildings are coved 10% of coverage amount on dwelling/ house. I doubled the coverage originally to 20% thinking well if something happens I still have foundation and site work which was costly and that is exactly where I stand. So I did cover the initial build plus. The contents are covered by home content insurance which is another deal in itself as the insurance co depreciates tools and equipment substantially with age even with the heavy inflation of last few years and it’s at their discretion although can be disputed but not an easy ordeal. The vehicles are also separate policy and any vehicle not registered or insured are not covered period. I lost five cars and a motorcycle, got paid for 4. I was not covered for a 36 Buick I was working on nice car not on road and a 96 Harley Heritage that I looked for two years for that was mint and was in garage for 5 days.

 

[mike93lx]

I could not get replacement cost on detached bldg. home yes. Typically out buildings are coved 10% of coverage amount on dwelling/ house. I doubled the coverage originally to 20% thinking well if something happens I still have foundation and site work which was costly and that is exactly where I stand. So I did cover the initial build plus. The contents are covered by home content insurance which is another deal in itself as the insurance co depreciates tools and equipment substantially with age even with the heavy inflation of last few years and it’s at their discretion although can be disputed but not an easy ordeal. The vehicles are also separate policy and any vehicle not registered or insured are not covered period. I lost five cars and a motorcycle, got paid for 4. I was not covered for a 36 Buick I was working on nice car not on road and a 96 Harley Heritage that I looked for two years for that was mint and was in garage for 5 days.

that *****, i'm sorry to hear

 

[Chris_Hamilton]

Are you serious on the 55 line prices?

I purchased some 801-72 pre Covid and think it was around 400 all in (activator etc…)for about a gallon.

Stuff you mentioned is primer of some sort IIRC, so not really comparable to base. Yes absolutely serious. $2500/gallon for many colors, some are higher than that. A guy I know told me he paid close to $3K/gallon for a particular color recently. Not just Glasurit, everything Sikkens, PPG, etc etc. PPG has the nerved to price DBC basecoat well north of $2K/gallon as well and it is average stuff at best. My Dad if he were alive would be flabbergasted. I would never hear the end of it.

Body filler has gone from $45-$50 a gallon for Evercoat Rage Ultra, to $100-$125 gallon. At one time it was $150 gallon (last year). I just paid $69 for a pump tube of Evercoat Metal Glaze. Pre pandemic it was $28.
I could go on and on. Easily prices are up 100% since the pandemic. In many case more.

In the grocery store, one of my few guilty pleasures in life is Diet Coke in the .5 liter bottles. A 6 pack of any .5L Coke product has doubled since the pandemic. Groceries are up far more than they are telling us. Every ****** thing is. My insurance rates for home and auto jumped 30% this year. Never had an accident, never made a claim on either home or auto. Ever.

 

[finn]

I feel like garage doors are similar to HVAC in that they own you and are going to screw you over because the consumer generally doesnt have the ability to install them, set them up right, get the springs wound, etc...

Even on this site full if DIY types, anytime somebody mentions "garage door coil springs" everybody calls out to get a pro out to fix them.

Even the contractor I use subcontracts door installation. Says they can do it faster, thus more cost effectively than when he used to have his own guys do it.

 

[Chris_Hamilton]

Are you serious on the 55 line prices?

I purchased some 801-72 pre Covid and think it was around 400 all in (activator etc…)for about a gallon.

Try switching to SPI epoxy primer instead of the 801. SPI makes the best epoxy primer I've ever used. mixes 1:1 under for $400 for 2 gallons RTS. You can build with it as well. I love the stuff. Nearly all I use now. Cars I do, I rarely use any 2K urethane or (heaven forbid) poly primer. Just epoxy. It's flexible, adheres incredibly well and sands nicely.

 

[Spareparts]

Hell even the Tractor/Implement paint that was $14.00 a quart is bumping a $100. a gallon everything is getting high
But most of all it is something that we can't do without and that is the Grocery Cart.

 

[Doubled33]

Try switching to SPI epoxy primer instead of the 801. SPI makes the best epoxy primer I've ever used. mixes 1:1 under for $400 for 2 gallons RTS. You can build with it as well. I love the stuff. Nearly all I use now. Cars I do, I rarely use any 2K urethane or (heaven forbid) poly primer. Just epoxy. It's flexible, adheres incredibly well and sands nicely.

Will try some. Thanks for the tip. Restoration is a hobby I have had for many years and my E type is the latest.

That said I have been decoupled from the real world and inflation (outside of food and Insurance) as I live in CA and HI.

 

[Doubled33]

28% labor, 32% lumber, windows

Windows and doors are what I consider a racquet on pricing.

Surprised the window and door inflation is not in line.

I will say that during the pandemic there was a chemical in polyiso insulation that was in short supply and I suspect that they have used that crutch to forever raise the price of the material.

 

[Chris_Hamilton]

Will try some. Thanks for the tip. Restoration is a hobby I have had for many years and my E type is the latest.

Check out spiuserforum.com. Best paint and body forum on the web. I'm on there as well. Same username.

 

[loganb]

I've got a 16 x 8 and a 8 x 7 Raynor with 2" panel/R-18 insulation being installed next week for $5,500. Yours are bigger but not that much bigger... That price seems steep

 

[yellowbox]

Most on here are saying , its the new normal, get over it
But the O.P. is right to complain , he's not wrong
We as consumers are being screwed
Yeah it costs more to run a business now , but. Make no mistake they are price gouging
Some of the paint prices I'm reading about in this thread are unbelievable,

 

[PCustoms]

I can't find my pre-2000 invoices, but I paid under $1/lf for premium grade pine beadboard. If I had to guess, probably somewhere around $0.70/lf

Quote from about a year ago was $1.09

Last week it was $1.54/LF.

I can't justify "cheap" pine for a porch ceiling at almost $2k in raw material.

 

[CombatNinja]

Costs are up. Way up. The garage door company is paying more for the door, more for the truck the tech drives, more for the fuel and insurance for the truck and more for the tech's hourly pay. It goes on and on. When kids make $15/hr working in the AC at fast food joints with essentially no experience or skills, how much do you think you have to pay a guy to do a skilled physical job out in the heat/cold/rain? It is what it is. If you can install doors yourself, you'll save a lot of money but you own the risk. No use in griping about it. I'm getting to retire from the military and I did well for myself and have a good stash of cash saved. I thought I would be in good shape with what I had set aside. Not feeling too good about it anymore. I basically lost 30-40% of my money.

 

[BruceMc]

Not saying that. Saying what's being reported isn't accurate. Look at the official numbers yourself. Decide if it correlates to what you are seeing. Look at what we are being told. Does it relate to your personal experiences?

I'm pretty certain high end auto paint isn't something the BLS includes in it's market basket of consumer goods used to calculate CPI.