Inspector dinged on deck joist hangers

[Cltman]

My inspector dinged my carpenter on not using metal deck joist hangers. Joists are sitting on ledger. My carpenter is coming out at some point, but how do you add hangers when ledger is already in place? Is there a Simpson hanger that will slide over the ledger? Does ledger have to come out then add hangers? Trying to educate myself.

 

[The Cobbler]

you'll have to remove the so called ledger, but , It doesn't look like he used pressure treated wood either. just saying

 

[billconner]

The joists look like they are toe nailed (or screwed) to rim joist. Just remove ledger, in pieces possibly, and install hangers.

 

[dura eagle]

Tare a sawzall blade and make a kerf and slide a hanger into the kerf.

 

[PoorUB]

Remove the ledger and add the hangers. I don't see it being a big deal.

Now to avoid the next screw up, make certain he uses hanger and fasteners, screws I assume, for hangers on treated wood. I would hate to see him go through all this work and use the wrong stuff a second time around.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Either remove the ledger and put the hangers in or like also suggested, make a kerf cut to slide the hanger in the gap. I would ask the inspector what method he would prefer or what won't get you dinged again.


Is this all the inspector dinged you on ? Make sure that you know so he doesn't come back out and ding you for something else.

 

[logical]

It's a bit of a stretch to consider that little scrap of lumber a suitable ledger even if it was allowed.

 

[mike93lx]

It's a bit of a stretch to consider that little scrap of lumber a suitable ledger even if it was allowed.

Agreed. Wild that a pro would think thats acceptable

 

[Old Man Roger]

Jamb saw would make quick work of it.

 

[Cltman]

Thanks for replies so far. It is all pressure treated wood

 

[carlaisle]

Not sure why you're worried about it. Carpenter doesn't get paid until the inspector signs off.

 

[Shiftless]

It is all pressure treated wood

Do you see any labels on the end grain anywhere? Were you there when he built it? Labels might be in some of his cut-offs.
That doesn’t look like any pressure treated wood I’ve ever seen.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Looks PT to me, just a lighter shade of "green" than most wet stuff.

 

[mike93lx]

Definitely looks like pt to me

 

[Old tool guy]

Agreed. Wild that a pro would think thats acceptable

Ledger strips wrre allowed until the 2018 code came out.

 

[tarmy]

Make sure you use rated screws/nails too.

 

[mike93lx]

Ledger strips wrre allowed until the 2018 code came out.

My point is more that the pro should know the current code.

And was a 2x2 ever acceptable?

 

[Old tool guy]

My point is more that the pro should know the current code.

And was a 2x2 ever acceptable?

Yes a 2x2 ledger was allowed.

 

[billconner]

It's a bit of a stretch to consider that little scrap of lumber a suitable ledger even if it was allowed.

From interior applications, a 2x2 ledger was a very traditional means to hang joists from beams. From the 2024 IRC:

"R502.6.2 Joist framing.
Joists framing into the side of a wood girder shall be supported by approved framing anchors or on ledger strips not less than nominal 2 inches by 2 inches (51 mm by 51 mm)."

I've lived in houses with this. Seems stronger than joists on a ribbon in ballon framing, but those have lasted 100+ years just fine.

 

[Whitworth]

That's very neat and clean toe nailing.
I'm surprised that he didn't use joist hangers from the start. So much easier. As well as code.
Is the carpenter new/young?

Looks like an easy fix. Live and learn.

 

[PCustoms]

That's very neat and clean toe nailing.

Nail gun, why wouldn't it look need/clean?

I'm surprised that he didn't use joist hangers from the start. So much easier. As well as code.
Is the carpenter new/young?

Guessing the carpenter has been doing this forever.

I'm very confused why the OP is dealing with inspection at all. Carpenter should be dealing with the inspector and fixing any issues without dragging a customer into it.

Is this another AI training exercise?

 

[PoorUB]

I'm very confused why the OP is dealing with inspection at all.

Builder did the job and left. Told the homeowner the inspector will be coming around and let the builder know what happens. It happens fairly often. The builder is a busy man and doesn't want to drive out and wait for an inspector that will not give him a solid time.

 

[manwithtools]

That doesn’t look like any pressure treated wood I’ve ever seen.

Pressure treated wood east of the Rockies is very different than the incised Doug Fir you folks have on the west coast. It's mainly Southern Yellow Pine and is treated under pressure, the preservative penetrates the entire wood structure.

 

[Shiftless]

Pressure treated wood east of the Rockies is very different than the incised Doug Fir you folks have on the west coast. It's mainly Southern Yellow Pine and is treated under pressure, the preservative penetrates the entire wood structure.

Thanks for posting that info.
The incising that ours gets helps the chemicals penetrate the wood, right? Wouldn’t that be preferable to just soaking the boards without the little holes? Why do they skip that step east of the Rockies?
Is it because SYP is naturally more resistant to insects and decay compared to DF?

Out here we have all heart redwood available but it is $$$.

 

[manwithtools]

Thanks for posting that info.
The incising that ours gets helps the chemicals penetrate the wood, right? Wouldn’t that be preferable to just soaking the boards without the little holes? Why do they skip that step east of the Rockies?
Is it because SYP is naturally more resistant to insects and decay compared to DF?

Out here we have all heart redwood available but it is $$$.

Happy to share that info. Southern Yellow Pine is not incised before pressure treatment because its cellular structure allows preservatives to penetrate deeply into the wood without the need for perforations. Incising is required for other species to allow the preservatives into the wood.

I lived in San Diego for 5 years and saw plenty of the west coast variety of treated lumber, that's why I'm familiar with the differences. Also, the SYP variety is not treated with the reddish or green color of preservatives found in your area. It's more of a yellowish color and is pretty obvious when compared to untreated, although sometimes it can be deceptive.

 

[mike93lx]

I'm very confused why the OP is dealing with inspection at all.

How many pros have you hired for inspected jobs? Guessing not all that many.

 

[PCustoms]

How many pros have you hired for inspected jobs? Guessing not all that many.

Residential, not many, but only talked with the inspector once as we knew each other.

Commercial, several. I never dealt with the inspector, they did. If they didn't submit a passed inspection they didn't get final payment.

Funny(ish) story: I had the plant manager call HR one day to call me because the "Fire Marshal" was parked in the contractor spot. Guess it put the the whole place into a tizzy. What everyone neglected to mention was the guy was parked in between the HVAC contractor's and the Electrician's vans. By the time I walked up guy was already driving away after approving the new install. T

 

[Old tool guy]

Guessing the carpenter has been doing this forever.

He drives a Dodge Power Wagon with hand crank windows.

 

[mike93lx]

Residential, not many, but only talked with the inspector once as we knew each other.

Commercial, several. I never dealt with the inspector, they did. If they didn't submit a passed inspection they didn't get final payment.

Funny(ish) story: I had the plant manager call HR one day to call me because the "Fire Marshal" was parked in the contractor spot. Guess it put the the whole place into a tizzy. What everyone neglected to mention was the guy was parked in between the HVAC contractor's and the Electrician's vans. By the time I walked up guy was already driving away after approving the new install. T

For a residential job like this, the carpenter is already off at another job when this inspection is getting scheduled. Paying someone for another day just to be there when the inspector decides to show up isn't worth it, especially when most inspections are fast and uneventful.

Even for my pool build, the inspection scheduling was on me. Then they will deal with any issues after the fact

 

[CraigStu]

Ya know the sad part about this is the joist already has a bunch of toe nails in it. I see 4 and don't know if there are 4 more on the other side. When he adds hangers there will be 4-6 more. The last 1.5" of the joist will look like a porcupine in reverse.

 

[rlitman]

Ya know the sad part about this is the joist already has a bunch of toe nails in it. I see 4 and don't know if there are 4 more on the other side. When he adds hangers there will be 4-6 more. The last 1.5" of the joist will look like a porcupine in reverse.

I was thinking that, as well as the existing toe nail heads making the hanger hard to fit. But the hangers usually don't usually take anywhere near that many diagonal nails. Maybe 2 per side. Most of the nails go straight in.