Interesting Garage Sale Find...

[TruckJunkie]

Stopped at a place with a couple snowblowers, a yard swing and kids things sitting out in the yard and a poorly hand painted 'Garage Sale' sign along the road. As I walked into the nearly empty garage to see what was available, the kid working it said most of the tools were already sold.

A machine sitting in the back by itself, covered in grime, caught my eye and I asked if it was for sale. He said it was so I went to check it out. All the important parts seemed to be tight and it worked smoothly so I offered him $100. He did not think they could not sell it that low but would call his father to see what he would accept but could not get through to him after trying a couple different numbers.

I took their number and called back that evening to see if he had been able to contact his father and get a price. Indeed he had and said they would be willing to accept $150 so I agreed and would be by the next day to pick it up.

So yesterday I unloaded my new-to-me Boyar-Shultz 6x12 manual surface grinder in my garage. It should be a fun project bringing this fine old machine back into working order. The first photo is the machine minus table which I removed for transport. The second photo is the name tag from top of the machine. The third photo is of the magnetic chuck mounted on the table.

 

[Bad Jackson]

Nice haul! Have fun with it!
Munsk.

 

[Outlawmws]

Oh man, you ****!

 

[geologist]

That's quite a gem you've got there. You ****!

 

[beerdog]

WOW! You will have to post up some updates once you get to use it.

 

[TruckJunkie]

Bad Jackson - Nice avatar, have a few old power wagons around here myself.

Beerdog - I will definitely post some up, but it may take a while. Am just finishing up a garage build, have two houses in the middle of remodels and am in the process of reorganizing my shop space to hopefully make things more efficient. Time is going to be very precious for a while yet.

Outlawmws and StevenBiars - thank you.

 

[kngkong]

Biggest you **** ever. Wish I had one of those for that price.

 

[TruckJunkie]

kngkong - I have been looking for one of these for over 20 years. The economy here is so bad currently, machine tool values are the lowest I have ever seen. Nice Bridgeport mills have even shown up in the scrap yard because they were more valuable that way than selling them as tools.

 

[kngkong]

Ah yeah, mixed blessings then. Look forward to the rebuild.

 

[upndown]

WOW... theres a blast from the past! Spent many hours running one of those as an apprentice mold maker. Always had fun with them, hope you do as well!! O yah... You ****........ good find.

 

[larry_g]

kngkong - I have been looking for one of these for over 20 years. .

I'm so glad to hear this. To many here post a treasure like this and then follow with 'Whats it for?'

lg
no neat sig line

 

[Kevin54]

If you have never ran a surface grinder, BE VERY CAREFUL. You need a diamond to dress the wheel. You NEVER want to climb onto the part that you are grinding or you are asking for major problems. You only want to start grinding with the PART TO THE LEFT of the wheel. You want to just BARELY just touch the wheel off on the part while it is running. If you don' adhere to those directions, the wheel could explode when you start grinding and pieces fly everywhere.

If you start with the part to the right of the wheel and you take too big of bite, the wheel will climb over the top of the part, will shatter, the part will fly off of the chuck and send it shooting out at a fast speed. Just as in any machine and esp[ecially a grinder, you HAVE TO GIVE THE MACHINE RESPECT. Also, and I have seen it done quite a bit, USE CAUTION when wiping the table off with your hand. By that I mean that most people will take their hand and wipe off any dust before activating the magnetic chuck to hold their piece. The reason for this is that every time you start the machine, you need to redress the wheel to keep it balanced. This puts wheel grit all over the table. USE SAFETY GLASSES when you dress it. You have to take your hand to wipe off the grit. A wheel burn can be very nasty and gets infected real easy. It grinds the hide off and you have no skin to put back over the cut to protect it. Also the wheel is embedded with dirt and metal.

Other than an unguarded Punch Press, I think a grinder is second as far as accidents. If you know how to run a grinder, then that is fine. If you have never ran one, or if anyone else on here has not ran one but want to get one, PLEASE USE CAUTION AND RESPECT THE MACHINE!!!! I'll even talk to someone one the phone as to what you need to get as far as diamonds, dressing the wheel, running the machine. I've seen too many people hurt with one and would really hate to see another person get hurt. A good friend of mine lost a finger due to an surface grinder accident and infection setting in.

 

[Jim Johnstone]

All good advice. The mould making shop I worked at was given a nice new grinder from one of their customer moulding shops, that bought a few machines with the idea of having an in house mould maker to maintain tools. They gave it away when one of their maintenance guys was "bitten" by the grinder. Then two guys at my shop were bitten by it too.

One machine shop instructor I had would tell us "mills and lathes cut material, grinders remove material...that applies to flesh too"

If you have never ran a surface grinder, BE VERY CAREFUL. You need a diamond to dress the wheel. You NEVER want to climb onto the part that you are grinding or you are asking for major problems. You only want to start grinding with the PART TO THE LEFT of the wheel. You want to just BARELY just touch the wheel off on the part while it is running. If you don' adhere to those directions, the wheel could explode when you start grinding and pieces fly everywhere.

If you start with the part to the right of the wheel and you take too big of bite, the wheel will climb over the top of the part, will shatter, the part will fly off of the chuck and send it shooting out at a fast speed. Just as in any machine and esp[ecially a grinder, you HAVE TO GIVE THE MACHINE RESPECT. Also, and I have seen it done quite a bit, USE CAUTION when wiping the table off with your hand. By that I mean that most people will take their hand and wipe off any dust before activating the magnetic chuck to hold their piece. The reason for this is that every time you start the machine, you need to redress the wheel to keep it balanced. This puts wheel grit all over the table. USE SAFETY GLASSES when you dress it. You have to take your hand to wipe off the grit. A wheel burn can be very nasty and gets infected real easy. It grinds the hide off and you have no skin to put back over the cut to protect it. Also the wheel is embedded with dirt and metal.

Other than an unguarded Punch Press, I think a grinder is second as far as accidents. If you know how to run a grinder, then that is fine. If you have never ran one, or if anyone else on here has not ran one but want to get one, PLEASE USE CAUTION AND RESPECT THE MACHINE!!!! I'll even talk to someone one the phone as to what you need to get as far as diamonds, dressing the wheel, running the machine. I've seen too many people hurt with one and would really hate to see another person get hurt. A good friend of mine lost a finger due to an surface grinder accident and infection setting in.

 

[bobcatdan]

Thats a cool find, but I have to ask, what is your avatar? Is it like a 60's big dodge converted 4x4 or something. Whatever it is, its way cool.

 

[1Garageman]

NICE FIND!
Hey I did some research on the internet and I think this website will hook you up with a manual and some info on it!
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=2682&tab=3

Hope I helped out!

 

[JASTECH]

Nice find! +326 Nice Dodge!

 

[Carla]

If I may, let me emphasise what Kevin is telling everyone........a grinding wheel may look 'innocuous' when running, but thats ever so deceptive.

Its just too easy to become that little bit complacent, particularly when form-dressing the small wheels this model uses.

So.....if you mean to run one of these, take a moment to re-read Kevin's comment......and I'll spare you a couple of stories which aren't nice to tell.

Be safe out there......... : )

cheers

Carla

If you have never ran a surface grinder, BE VERY CAREFUL. You need a diamond to dress the wheel. You NEVER want to climb onto the part that you are grinding or you are asking for major problems. You only want to start grinding with the PART TO THE LEFT of the wheel. You want to just BARELY just touch the wheel off on the part while it is running. If you don' adhere to those directions, the wheel could explode when you start grinding and pieces fly everywhere.

If you start with the part to the right of the wheel and you take too big of bite, the wheel will climb over the top of the part, will shatter, the part will fly off of the chuck and send it shooting out at a fast speed. Just as in any machine and esp[ecially a grinder, you HAVE TO GIVE THE MACHINE RESPECT. Also, and I have seen it done quite a bit, USE CAUTION when wiping the table off with your hand. By that I mean that most people will take their hand and wipe off any dust before activating the magnetic chuck to hold their piece. The reason for this is that every time you start the machine, you need to redress the wheel to keep it balanced. This puts wheel grit all over the table. USE SAFETY GLASSES when you dress it. You have to take your hand to wipe off the grit. A wheel burn can be very nasty and gets infected real easy. It grinds the hide off and you have no skin to put back over the cut to protect it. Also the wheel is embedded with dirt and metal.

Other than an unguarded Punch Press, I think a grinder is second as far as accidents. If you know how to run a grinder, then that is fine. If you have never ran one, or if anyone else on here has not ran one but want to get one, PLEASE USE CAUTION AND RESPECT THE MACHINE!!!! I'll even talk to someone one the phone as to what you need to get as far as diamonds, dressing the wheel, running the machine. I've seen too many people hurt with one and would really hate to see another person get hurt. A good friend of mine lost a finger due to an surface grinder accident and infection setting in.

 

[Packard V8]

Wow - steal deal for $100. You ****!

jack vines

 

[A_Pmech]

Fun fun! Enjoy your new machine.

Can't really add anything to what's already been said, other than make sure your wheel guard is complete. If you do blow up a wheel, it's nice to do it inside a guard.

 

[930dreamer]

Man what a find, very nice.

 

[warmpancakes]

Nice Bridgeport mills have even shown up in the scrap yard because they were more valuable that way than selling them as tools.

amen i was scrapping them 2 years ago because they were worth more in scrap same with pallet racking it was a shame

 

[TruckJunkie]

Kevin54, Jim Johnstone, Carla and A_Pmech - Thank you for the safety warnings, it has been a few years since I last ran a surface grinder, but have spent many hours standing at the controls of one. Earned my first degree in Machining Technology and spent several years as a machinist/welder before opening my own shop for a short while in the late '80s and early '90s. The guard is complete, just took off the outer half so it did not get lost in transport. I have seen the results of a blown wheel and have a very healthy respect for the potential danger these machines possess.

1Garageman - Thank you, will check out the link, have already found a couple manuals for it online, always good to find more resources.

Bobcatdan and JASTECH - The Avatar is my '66 Dodge W500 Power Wagon. It is a factory 4x4 with a 20k gvw on Rockwell axles. This one was used by the state of Michigan DNR for fighting forest fires with a 400 gallon water tank and pump on the bed and a large V-plow dragged behind it for making fire breaks, it has less than 25k original miles.

Warmpancakes - Stories like that are hard on my stomach, but are all too true unfortunately.

930dreamer, Jack, larry_g and upndown -Thanks

 

[A_Pmech]

Earned my first degree in Machining Technology and spent several years as a machinist/welder before opening my own shop for a short while in the late '80s and early '90s. The guard is complete, just took off the outer half so it did not get lost in transport. I have seen the results of a blown wheel ....

I figured as much. Either you knew what to do with it or you thought it was possible to take .250 cuts with it.

Crankshaft grinders are the scary ones.

 

[Dick in Wisconsin]

So yesterday I unloaded my new-to-me Boyar-Shultz 6x12 manual surface grinder in my garage.

What does it do? What is its purpose? Thanks for taking the time to educate me.

 

[TruckJunkie]

**** - These are pretty versatile machines which can do some amazing things, limited only by the imagination and safety concerns, but the simplest answer is, it is designed to grind material to precise dimensions.