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I am preparing to build a (approx.) 60 x 46 shop building with a finished interior of off-white paint on drywall. The building will be heated and air conditioned.

I am wanting member's thoughts on interior lighting for general illumination.

The following information refers to the attached image - North is up.

The Olive area is a wood shop approximately 30' x 30'. The ceiling there is about 11 feet tall. The Blue line in this space represents an I-Beam that projects about 6-inches below the ceiling across the room.

The Khaki area is a 3-bay auto & metal shop. The ceiling there is 16 feet tall.

A 2-post lift is in the center bay.

Red lines are doors. Green lines are windows.

There are two 12-foot wide x 14 feet tall Garage Doors located the farthest north on the east & west sides. The remaining two Garage Doors on the west side are 10' x 10'. These doors will be on High Lift Tracks.

There will be some ceiling fans in both the Kahaki & the Olive areas.

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If your budget is unlimited, there is these: http://www.lightingdirect.com/troy-...ial-linear-chandelier-with-wire-cage/p2344683

Was given one last week & just had to make the suggestion. :D Price is more then just a bit steep.

In reality T8 strip or industrial fixtures will be the most economical, LED is still iffy in terms of life & cost, you can buy some unlisted ChiCom sourced fixtures off eBay from sellers/manufacturers with no track record, but let the buyer beware.
 
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Norcal said:
In reality T8 strip or industrial fixtures will be the most economical, LED is still iffy in terms of life & cost, you can buy some unlisted ChiCom sourced fixtures off eBay from sellers/manufacturers with no track record, but let the buyer beware.
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Norcal,

Free or no... probably not what I had in mind. Ha!

I was assuming T8 tubes but I don't know how thick I should sow them onto the ceiling. I also didn't know if I'd need anything special due to the height in the Auto/Metal Shop area.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Please confirm condensed spec:
60x46x16 w/30x30x11, (assumed storage above wood shop open to garage)
Flat drywall ceilings. All Ceilings/Walls painted white.
2 Post lift in center bay. Fan locations TBD.
Workbench locations TBD.
 
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Please confirm condensed spec:
60x46x16 w/30x30x11, (assumed storage above wood shop open to garage)
Flat drywall ceilings. All Ceilings/Walls painted white.
2 Post lift in center bay. Fan locations TBD.
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Platonic Solid,

All correct except for "open above wood shop" comment. All walls in Metal/Auto Shop area are complete from the floor up to the ceiling: No open areas.

In an effort to reduce the obvious WTF head-scratching, I include the following irrelevant-to-this-thread information:

There is another room above the wood shop & bathroom. I-Beam (Blue Line) supports one side of the room. North wall of Wood Shop supports the other side of the upper room.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Got it. As long as you're not in a huge rush I'll do a suggested layout. (I'm currently in the process of installing a new garage door.)
 
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As long as it isn't black.
Should I assume 30x30 is the interior or exterior dimension of the woodshop?
 
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ducksface said:
I can't do what platonic does but I can suggest that if code allows for it to use outlets on your ceiling for the lights.
Things in the industry are changing rapidly and the plugs allow for easy changes.
You can double your lamps with a simple plug in or you can switch to led non tube type at any time or easily add a spot light if needed.
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Ducksface,

I don't know if code would allow it or not...

Have you seen this done - particularly on the scale of my project - somewhere?

Best regards,

Scott
 
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thymer said:
I'm in the process of building a 60x40

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278109

I've ordered one of these lights and am going to test it. If it illuminates as well as I think it will I'll be ordering 10 or so more plus a couple for the outside.

http://www.westdurablelighting.com/products/duraflood-led-flood-light-150-watt
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High lumen concentrated flood lights might be fine for street and driveway lighting, but for interior use you will not achieve the preferred even shadow free illumination.
 
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sbosecker said:
Ducksface,

I don't know if code would allow it or not...

Have you seen this done - particularly on the scale of my project - somewhere?

Best regards,

Scott
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GFCI protect them & it's fine, all my interior lighting is cord & plug connected w/ 15A Twistlock® plugs & receptacles. (No GFCI protection though)
 
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Platonic Solid said:
High lumen concentrated flood lights might be fine for street and driveway lighting, but for interior use you will not achieve the preferred even shadow free illumination.
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Certainly a concern. I figured if it doesn't work out inside I'll use it outside. Once the building structure is done I'll mount it up on the ceiling and do some light meter measurements to see the spread.
 
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I haven't forgotten about you sbosecker. I keep playing with it, but I'm not satisfied yet. I will say that your layout is a major PITA.
 
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Platonic Solid,

That's awesome!

Sorry about the layout. May I ask what gave you the most fits? I would assume it was the woodshop's 2-height ceiling.

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Best regards,

Scott
 
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sbosecker said:
Sorry about the layout. May I ask what gave you the most fits? I would assume it was the woodshop's 2-height ceiling.
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Yes getting the woodshop ballanced was a challenge.


sbosecker said:
Should this quantity be "50" instead of "25"?

EDIT: Hmmm... or are these 8 feet long with four 4-ft tubes per unit?
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The 8T in the front of the part number means 8ft Tandem 4 lamp fixture. Generally less expensive than buying 50, 2 lamp, 4ft fixtures.

I suppose the 3'10" fixture length dimension on the garage drawing may be a little misleading. The 3' 10" (46") is the length of one 2 lamp F54T5HO fixture, which is what I had an IES file for.
 
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Yes getting the woodshop ballanced was a challenge.


The 8T in the front of the part number means 8ft Tandem 4 lamp fixture. Generally less expensive than buying 50, 2 lamp, 4ft fixtures.

I suppose the 3'10" fixture length dimension on the garage drawing may be a little misleading. The 3' 10" (46") is the length of one 2 lamp F54T5HO fixture, which is what I had an IES file for.
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Platonic Solid,

The Woodshop values look correct with each fixture being 4-feet.

So in the Garage section of the plan, each of the longest strings of lights are 24 feet long vice 23 feet. All of these are oriented east-west (horizontal in drawing).

The shorter strings of lights, oriented north-south (vertical in drawing), are single fixtures with an actual length of 8 feet vs. 7'-8".

For your calculations to work, I am assuming that the current center of each string of lights remains fixed and the specified distance to the wall remains fixed.

Effectively everything remains the same except the long strings of lights grow 6-inches on each end and the short strings of lights grow 2-inches on each end.

I'm looking at all the dimensions and it doesn't look like that causes any interference anywhere. So if I've got the dimension corrections correct, it's all good in the garage.

Please let me know if my assumptions are correct.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Platonic Solid said:
Cooper Metalux 8TSSF-254-UNV-EBT1 Qty. 25 (or equivalent)
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Cooper Metalux
8TSSF-232-UNV-EB81 Qty.: 11 (or equivalent)
plus
SSF-232-UNV-EB81 Qty. 7 (or equivalent)
or
SSF-232-UNV-EB81 Qty.29
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I'm getting ready to order fixtures. The above was quoted over 6 months ago.

Two questions:

1. Are the quoted fixtures still the way to go for the tubes that were specified?

2. Any thoughts on suppliers for whatever fixture is recommended?

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Scott
 
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the best lighting is free lighting, old school lights that were converted to t-8, free.old school porcelin green reflectors with cfls,in basement swimming pool mechanical room, free. trac lighting mall store, with lamps, not the most efficient, but good task lighting, (moveable heads). 250 watt metalarc,
lighting replacement.see if u get the stuff free, the electric used isn't as big of a problem. now if i was in my garage all day i would go for t-5s or leds, depending on the cost.
 
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cleason said:
the best lighting is free lighting, old school lights that were converted to t-8, free.old school porcelin green reflectors with cfls,in basement swimming pool mechanical room, free. trac lighting mall store, with lamps, not the most efficient, but good task lighting, (moveable heads). 250 watt metalarc,
lighting replacement.see if u get the stuff free, the electric used isn't as big of a problem. now if i was in my garage all day i would go for t-5s or leds, depending on the cost.
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Cleason,

The electrician will be ordering fixtures very soon. The lighting plan was predicated on those fixtures. The questions were asked to:

1. Have a backup plan if the specified fixtures were not easily available.

2. Crosscheck the cost of the fixtures the Electrician quoted.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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