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That's what I was wondering. Why isn't everything metric? Especially with the cost of sending things into space being so expensive, it would make sense to keep it all one unit of measure. Maybe they're just planning for every possibility.

Plus the rest of the world uses the metric system and with this being the International space station and all...
 
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I'm sure they're about as close as they can get them while still being retrievable. Sure you can cram them in there but then the foam starts to tear from normal use.
 

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Cool.

They should have substituted the two Craftsman Robogrips for a pair of Knipex Cobras and Pliers Wrench.
 

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American aerospace industry uses SAE… so I wouldn't be surprised if NASA was similar (granted its a international effort).
 

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However if there using a mix of metric and SAE… well, that's just plain stupid. No disrespect to the bright minds that sent a man to the moon.
 

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Seems pretty sparse considering what is at stake. I carry more tools than that to fix comparatively simple equipment.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the American made portions are SAE, while the foreign ones are metric. Of course they have Craftsman on board. Would you loan out your Snap On stuff?:lol_hitti
 

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I have a buddy who works at JPL. He was instrumental in getting the Mars rovers to Mars. I'll ask him about SAE Vs Metric.
 

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I remember that story of the time one of their EVA tool bags got launched into the atmosphere by accident. Don't remember what they said the value of it was, but I'm pretty sure it was a stupid amount.
 
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The entire US aerospace industry works in inches. Remember the Mars climate orbiter?

The one that smashed into the planet because they forgot to convert everything to metric? I remember that. What a screw up.

If this country ever wants to get on the metric system with the rest of the world NASA is the place to start. If they're not leading the way in science then we'll never get there. As much as it would **** to change, the metric system is WAY easier to use than standard. Sorry, just my 2 cents.
 

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NASA is all metric. However, the contractors who actually build the stuff are working in inches. That's what happened to the climate orbiter. NASA spec'd the thrust in Newtons, but the contractor interpreted it as lb-f or something like that. So, when they fired up the thrusters, they were not nearly strong enough.

Since the thing is international, we can bet the modules make outside the US are metric. However, we do things the hard way around here, so we use inches.
 

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However if there using a mix of metric and SAE… well, that's just plain stupid. No disrespect to the bright minds that sent a man to the moon.

$125 million dollar orbiter face plants on Mars - 1999.....

http://www.visionlearning.com/blog/...cience-the-crash-of-the-mars-climate-orbiter/

"Within a week of the accident, two committees (one internal and one composed of outside experts) had been formed to investigate what had gone wrong. They concluded that a simple mathematical and communications error was at the heart of the problem: one part of the mission team had used English units while the another part of the team had used metric units when making calculations related to the jet thrusters used to correct the Orbiter’s trajectory during it’s journey. A flubbed unit conversion had cost them a $125 million spacecraft, years of work, and untold scientific knowledge."
 
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When I was in school Jimmy Carter said we would be on the metric system.

I just wish vehicles would pic one and not use both.

The space tool boxes are cool. Weight is an issue on takeoff so they tightly control what's on board. I too was astonished to see Craftsman robo grips. NASA probably paid $$$$. I always thought the studied and carefully evaluated everything.
 

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Seems pretty sparse considering what is at stake. I carry more tools than that to fix comparatively simple equipment.

They have very specific repair requirements, and that's not the entire tool kit.

I have lots of tools in my garage, but the kit I carry with one of my vehicles for field service, capable of managing extensive repairs to include a nearly complete disassembly of that vehicle, fits entirely into a Pelican 1510; and works in concert with other items I carry, and certain parts easily removable from the vehicle.

Working with what I'm going to have in/on the vehicle anyway was partly inspired by space exploration, actually. Well, that, and observing others using very little to make things work in the middle of nowhere.

That's just what one normal man can do when when he experiments carefully enough to make sure he's only carrying what is required.

...Imagine what a coalition of international space agencies with all that experience in design and maintenance can achieve. Hell, I'd be surprised if half their **** isn't redundant.
 

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When I was in school Jimmy Carter said we would be on the metric system.

I just wish vehicles would pic one and not use both.

The space tool boxes are cool. Weight is an issue on takeoff so they tightly control what's on board. I too was astonished to see Craftsman robo grips. NASA probably paid $$$$. I always thought the studied and carefully evaluated everything.

Robo-Grips are actually quite nice in a pinch; especially if you're in a rush. It wasn't just some special tool of the week for Sears, like others. They've inspired many similar designs.

They are highly convenient and reliable when you just need to get something done now.
 

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Finally something I know a little about...

NASA uses MIL-Spec fasteners, for quality reasons, on hardware that it designs. I'm guessing that some NASA organizations use metric fasteners, but in the US, metric MIL-Spec fasteners are often long lead and EXPENSIVE. As an example, we had the option of a #2 or 2mm flat head to fasten a small gearmotor to a mechanism. The #2 was like $1.90 and in stock. The 2mm was $25.00 ea and 10 weeks lead time. Not kidding.

One of the comments on Toolguyd mentioned standardizing the sizes. If you did that, the lowest common denominator might be something like 3/8 or something that just would not work for smaller applications. America bought Space Station modules from several different countries, Italy comes to mind as one. NASA did not put requirements on them as far as fasteners go, so they probably used metric. Also, payloads have many different countries of origin, so fasteners could be most any shape, size or standard. Yet another factor is that NASA has tried to lower costs by using as many off the shelf components as possible, and again, no chance of fastener standardization for those.

The boxes shown on Tool Guyd are for internal use. For EVA, there is some standardization. Anything needing to be actuated during a space walk is required to be 7/16 hex. Not sure why that particular size became the standard though. The shape is detailed in the EVA equipment standard. There can be exceptions, but they require approval. Now that I think about it, there may be other sizes, but the preference is to use the 7/16 hex. As you might expect, the EVA toolboxes are somewhat less extensive than the IVA boxes shown.

That's all I know.

But since this is my first post, I would like to thank all of those who have contributed to the journal. I have learned so much from this forum....

Glad I could finally contribute.

Scott
 

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Finally something I know a little about...


That's all I know.

But since this is my first post, I would like to thank all of those who have contributed to the journal. I have learned so much from this forum....

Glad I could finally contribute.

Scott
That's one damn high quality first post. Welcome and I look forward to hearing more from you.



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I wonder how many times you have to check with Houston per swing of the Trusty Cook.

The Pistol Grip Tool

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http://www.summitproducts.com/pgt_tool.htm
 

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That's what I was wondering. Why isn't everything metric? Especially with the cost of sending things into space being so expensive, it would make sense to keep it all one unit of measure. Maybe they're just planning for every possibility.

yes, maybe the aliens use standard , don't see why any human would ever think of such a system , it must be alien
 

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$125 million dollar orbiter face plants on Mars - 1999.....

http://www.visionlearning.com/blog/...cience-the-crash-of-the-mars-climate-orbiter/

"Within a week of the accident, two committees (one internal and one composed of outside experts) had been formed to investigate what had gone wrong. They concluded that a simple mathematical and communications error was at the heart of the problem: one part of the mission team had used English units while the another part of the team had used metric units when making calculations related to the jet thrusters used to correct the Orbiter’s trajectory during it’s journey. A flubbed unit conversion had cost them a $125 million spacecraft, years of work, and untold scientific knowledge."

Well, yeah... nobody perfect. Its similar concept, if you ever watch those air disaster shows... its usually something simple and benign that ends up bringing the aircraft down.

Considering what they've accomplished... I'm amazed its only gone terribly "wrong" about a handful of times.
 

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Seems pretty sparse considering what is at stake. I carry more tools than that to fix comparatively simple equipment.

If you think about it, most spacecraft are MECHANICALLY relatively simple for what they accomplish. More complicated than a car for sure, but what really adds complication to the system is controls/electronics. There is value to them in minimizing mechanical complication. And the less mechanically complicated a machine is, the fewer mechanical tools you need to service it.

The guys on the ISS also aren't equipped to, say, dismantle the entire station. They use their onboard tools for things like assembling modular test fixtures, small repairs, etc.
 
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But since this is my first post, I would like to thank all of those who have contributed to the journal. I have learned so much from this forum....

Glad I could finally contribute.

Scott

Awesome first post! Thanks for the info. Makes sense that it all comes down to money.

I wonder how much more Snap On charges for tools that are space rated.... hahaha
 

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"IVA use (intravehicular activities)"
It is toolbox, is an abbreviation necessary.

Locking door? Without it, like one of the astronauts is going to steal a socket, and sell it in deep space. As to law, suppose an astronaut steals something, do they have any space laws?

They waste space in the draws, I guess it makes them feel like they are home where everyone wastes space in foam liners.
 

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The locking door is probably for enforcing chain of custody. Losing track of a tool is big deal in space, not just because of potential foreign object damage, but also because of the limited tool availability.

Easier to keep track of tools when a single person has the key to them at any given time.
 
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The locking door is probably for enforcing chain of custody. Losing track of a tool is big deal in space, not just because of potential foreign object damage, but also because of the limited tool availability.

Easier to keep track of tools when a single person has the key to them at any given time.

This is exactly why they use foam cutouts. They sacrifice precious space to avoid a potentially catastrophic failure from a lost/missing tool. A floating loose wrench could wreak havoc on those lightweight spacecraft components.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the American made portions are SAE, while the foreign ones are metric. Of course they have Craftsman on board. Would you loan out your Snap On stuff?:lol_hitti

But why bother with craftsman! How're you gonna take advantage of the warranty?
 

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But why bother with craftsman! How're you gonna take advantage of the warranty?

It wont be long before we'll have about as good of a chance of warrantying something on earth as they do in space.:bounce:
 
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