internet in your shop?

[gogolf0401]

Hi guys,
So I was wondering how to get internet to my shop. My house is 300+ feet away. Wondering if any of you have solved the problem yet.

I know I could trench another line to my shop, and that is an option, but am wondering what else I could do. I know there are products out there that provide a directional point to point connection that can be had via an antenna on either structure.

 

[softailgarage]

I've tried wireless, routers, extenders and could never quite get enough speed from it to make it worth a **** until I hard wired it directly from the house router. That was with a regular attached 2 car garage. Being 300feet away I think I would have a seperate network, in other words a new account with your ISP.

 

[CRXPilot]

You can hook up to your smartphone using an app called PDANet. I'm using it right now. Your speed is limited to 3g or 4g but it's good anywhere you get a cell signal.

 

[gogolf0401]

You can hook up to your smartphone using an app called PDANet. I'm using it right now. Your speed is limited to 3g or 4g but it's good anywhere you get a cell signal.

Yes but I don't want to use up my data. Plan to have a theater and stream movies.

 

[CRXPilot]

Yes but I don't want to use up my data. Plan to have a theater and stream movies.

Cool. Awesome sounding shop!

 

[Kensgarage]

Trench it. 300 feet isn't much.

 

[Todd.Brock]

I am always amazed at simply ingenuity. The cantenna is a popular effort to increase long range wifi reception. Not sure how effective through put is, but always a fun read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna

 

[mikeyr]

if you want to stream movies, trench it and get a line in there. If you are really 300ft. away though be aware that you will likely need a repeater/switch somewhere in the line. 100yards is about the max for a ethernet run, i think its actually 330feet or really close to that. That is the only way you will enough speed to stream movies reliably. You wont need a new account with your ISP.

I only had to trench about 40 feet and even though my wi-fi reached out to the garage, I never considered it and ran a wire.

 

[mburrus]

i am planning to use fiber with media converters for mine... fortunately i have the fiber, terminations and kits. you can use ubiquity or another small commercial grade microwave setup as well...

 

[encantofred]

you should look at https://www.ubnt.com/

their products are first rate and they have inexpensive wifi units that are outdoors that will go that distance easily. an unit at each end

tom

 

[JohnnieMo]

We use a long range router called Ubiquity. We actually use it for flying drones. But it gives us netflix type speeds at distances up to a kilometer. Cheap too... like $100 bucks. I don't have time to research it right now, but google should send you in the right direction.

 

[gogolf0401]

i am planning to use fiber with media converters for mine... fortunately i have the fiber, terminations and kits. you can use ubiquity or another small commercial grade microwave setup as well...

Ubiquiti

 

[vwlfan]

You can install a point to point Wi-Fi backhaul that has high throughput but it will not be inexpensive and will be highly dependent on your line of sight and other existing competing frequencies.

My garage was almost 450 ft away. I trenched in a 2 inch conduit and then pulled several pairs of fiber optic cables. The speed in my garage is seamless. I actually backup my house computer to my garage computer with no issue.

 

[Abeo]

I use netgear powerline adapters in my house

similar to this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/netgear...hite/7394184.p?id=1218844155446&skuId=7394184

I use it for streaming HD on my TV

 

[vwlfan]

Power line adapters can work very well also. If you use these just make sure your bridge the bus sides in your panel so the signal gets transmitted to all circuits.

 

[logan_gibson]

I would
A) Trench a line and run a premade fiber cable and use a converter at each end.
B) Use a Ubiquity PicoStation M, if you have a good clear line of site to the shop. Probably upgrading the antenna on it as well.

 

[aleccolin]

I have an old Linksys WRT-54G flashed with DD-WRT firmware, set up as a repeater and mounted near the back door of my house with good line of sight to the garage about 60-70 feet away. Even without the directional antenna I get good signal, with it I get full, and that's without boosting the wattage any on the router.

That said, I think I may be able to get better performance with a HomePlug AV2 standard powerline adapter. Looking at this one, plus a couple others similar. Worth a shot for less than $100. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3QPG1A/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[kf4zht]

Ubiquiti wireless bridge with a couple picostations. 300ft is easy. 5km+ is were it gets more interesting

 

[182RG]

Fiber in conduit. Total cost for cable and transceivers should be under $300. You will be disappointed in anything Wi-Fi.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00007IFE8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

http://fibercablesdirect.com

 

[gogolf0401]

I am using a powerline adapter in my house right now because it was easier than trying to run cat5.. plus it was free from my ISP. Not sure if that would work or not with that long of a distance.

 

[rburke65]

What exactly kind of "fiber" would I be looking to buy for a similar 300' to 400' run and approx. cost.....source? Thanks.

 

[mburrus]

62.5um multi mode fiber... you will need it preterminated to st or sc connectors, unless you have someone come out and terminate it for you. you will need at least 2 strands, i suggest you install more (spares)...

 

[NUTTSGT]

I'm by no means as far as you are from house to garage but I buried a conduit and hardwired mine. I have three access points in the garage where I can plug in.

 

[Crazyjake8493]

Ubiquiti

If you have a good Ubiquiti Wireless AP and a clear line of sight that might take care of it. I have the Ubiquiti Enterprise "standard" range AP rated for 400ft installed in my garage attic, and I can definitely get 350-400 feet out behind the garage and still be connected. The long range version is rated for 600 feet.

If you want a consistent, reliable connection, I'd trench the 300ft and run Cat6 out there. Put in a decent sized conduit and a pull line for anything you might want in the future.

 

[aleccolin]

I'm interested in learning more about this stuff from Ubiquiti, but I'm unfamiliar with the terminology and their website is not "noob" friendly...is there a primer somewhere I can read so I at least know what I'm looking for?

Like, for example, can I get one of their UniFi AP doodads can I set that up just to replace the repeater I have - the idea being that it has greater range and therefore should be faster speeds out in the shop - or would I need two, one in the house hooked up to the modem/router and one in the garage? And would I need to run an ethernet cable to it? I don't have that restriction now, nor a good way to run the cable from the front of the house where my modem and router is to the back door.

 

[DonPowers]

My garage is across the road (~200 ft from the house) with its own meter so I went the wireless range extender route. (Netgear EX6200) I put it near an upstairs window that faces the garage.

Get a good signal with my laptop and the Roku also works to stream video.

 

[bandit067]

My shop is over 300 feet from the house and I just ran a Cat 5 cable out and it worked fine. That was when I had a speed of over 12 mbs....or what ever speed is measured at. Well, they kept going up on the price after the trial period ran out so I cut in back to basic.....3 mps. Well, then buffering set in, got so bad I could not listen to internet radio. SOOOO, studied up a bit and went with the over powerline adapters from Amazon and it is working great. One bit of caution in using one of these. You MUST be on the same leg of power for them to work correctly. I am planning to get another one to expand coverage in my shop......will post if it works well being even further away for the source.

 

[maxpower_hd]

My wireless works in my home shop so there is no issue there. At work I use my tablet for finding wiring diagrams, troubleshooting guides....football picks, etc. There is no available wifi there. So for $25 + an additional $10 a month I got a portable hotspot from Verizon that I leave in my truck and it works well. I can watch utube videos and things like that with no problem. Not sure about entire movies though. That's not what I use my shop for. LOL That's what the room above is for.

 

[Yourfired]

Due to the amount of distance it will be hard to manage an ethernet cable to travel 300 ft without ever dealing with a problem.

Your best options are most likely to either get another service hooked up via your ITP, or buying a USB cable which supports internet such as this one. http://www.verizonwireless.com/inte...SE-C-HQ-NON-R-AC-NONE-NONE-2C0PX0-PLA-USB620L


Also you can consider looking into a small satellite that can be used to pick up your feed as well.

 

[JunkYardDawg]

I got fiber optic service in my house, and my shop is in the garage below the first floor. I listen to iTunes and internet radio streaming all day long. Right now I am listening toa station called, Metal Shop.

Nothing better than a little music sometimes.

 

[86turbodsl]

If you can dig: Fiber and 100Bt/FX adapters at both ends.

If you cant dig: Cantenna with wifi access points at both ends in bridge mode.

Done both, both work just fine.

 

[vwlfan]

I'm interested in learning more about this stuff from Ubiquiti, but I'm unfamiliar with the terminology and their website is not "noob" friendly...is there a primer somewhere I can read so I at least know what I'm looking for?

Like, for example, can I get one of their UniFi AP doodads can I set that up just to replace the repeater I have - the idea being that it has greater range and therefore should be faster speeds out in the shop - or would I need two, one in the house hooked up to the modem/router and one in the garage? And would I need to run an ethernet cable to it? I don't have that restriction now, nor a good way to run the cable from the front of the house where my modem and router is to the back door.

If you want to try the wireless route you would be best served creating a wireless bridge between the two buildings. Your setup would be similar to: router --> cat5 --> AP as bridge --> wifi connection --> AP as bridge --> cat5 --> AP

Ubiquiti offers a lot of different equipment to handle point to point (or even point to multi-point) wireless bridges.

 

[vwlfan]

If you decide to trench and pull a cable make sure to use a cable pull similar to this
http://www.amazon.com/CablesToGo-Pulling-Simplex-Assemblies-C2G/dp/B0149IGL7Y

This will help relieve the pull stress on the cable and also make it easier to pull the cable and prevent twists in your cable run.

 

[Falcon67]

A pair of these are your cheapest option:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EGI3CI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Not really user friendly, but very effective once programmed. I use these the throw our internet service 400' down the alley, across the street, through a wall of LP SmartSide and into our daughter's house. If you want faster 5 gHz service, you'll double the cost by buying M5 units.

There are no instructions in the box - you'll have to hit the internet for configuration help. These are industrial grade units.

We use M5 locos to throw internet half a mile where I work. No problems. They are used on ranches in west Texas to throw signals for miles.

 

[Beemer533]

I'm interested in learning more about this stuff from Ubiquiti, but I'm unfamiliar with the terminology and their website is not "noob" friendly...is there a primer somewhere I can read so I at least know what I'm looking for?

Like, for example, can I get one of their UniFi AP doodads can I set that up just to replace the repeater I have - the idea being that it has greater range and therefore should be faster speeds out in the shop - or would I need two, one in the house hooked up to the modem/router and one in the garage? And would I need to run an ethernet cable to it? I don't have that restriction now, nor a good way to run the cable from the front of the house where my modem and router is to the back door.

A wired connection is best, but you are approaching the limits of a wired connection (for copper anyway) which is 328' (100m). Note that this distance includes patch cables.

But with good line of site, wireless will work just fine for you with the right gear.

For a reliable connection you will definitely want to set up a point to point bridge, not just a repeater.

Here is a quick diagram I threw together...


You would need to get 2 Ubiquiti M2 nanostations
and some CAT5e or CAT6 (CAT5e is just fine). If you don't feel like learning how to or buying the tool to crimp CAT cable, you can pick up pre-terminated cables fairly cheaply from Monoprice or Amazon..

I also included a Ubiquiti Unifi AP for wireless at the shop.

The Ubiquiti devices all come with POE (Power Over Ethernet) injectors, which means that they are powered by the same CAT5e cable that provides the data connection. What this means is that you only need to run a single CAT5e cable to each location and you don't have to worry about a separate power connection.

Another thread with some similar info... http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296196

Hope this helps...!

 

[Beemer533]

If you decide to trench and pull a cable make sure to use a cable pull similar to this
http://www.amazon.com/CablesToGo-Pulling-Simplex-Assemblies-C2G/dp/B0149IGL7Y

This will help relieve the pull stress on the cable and also make it easier to pull the cable and prevent twists in your cable run.

Holy **** that is expensive... While I agree those are useful I don't think it is worth that much.

You can make one yourself with a length of that "snake skin", a length of cord and some electrical tape...

 

[Jawn]

i am planning to use fiber with media converters for mine... fortunately i have the fiber, terminations and kits. you can use ubiquity or another small commercial grade microwave setup as well...

This is good advice I believe. I hear good things about the Ubiquiti equipment... I have one of their "enterprise" grade APs in my house. Way the heck better than the Linksys/Cisco thing I had before.

But if I was doing it, I'd be inclined to trench in conduit for fiber.

62.5um multi mode fiber... you will need it preterminated to st or sc connectors, unless you have someone come out and terminate it for you. you will need at least 2 strands, i suggest you install more (spares)...

Why ST or SC? Why not LC?

 

[kf4zht]

62.5um multi mode fiber... you will need it preterminated to st or sc connectors, unless you have someone come out and terminate it for you. you will need at least 2 strands, i suggest you install more (spares)...

I wouldn't pull anything but LC anymore, much easier and cheaper to find GBICs.

Unless you are running some serious loads a 5ghz ubnt setup will do anything you need. I have dumped sip phones on the end of bridge with no issues.

 

[mburrus]

lc is fine too, i am just used to st and sc... the media converters i have are all st, and we use st exclusively at work

 

[aleccolin]

This is hands down the most helpful reply I've ever gotten on a forum, thanks so much for taking the time to put this together! I've definitely got some figuring to do now.

A wired connection is best, but you are approaching the limits of a wired connection (for copper anyway) which is 328' (100m). Note that this distance includes patch cables.

But with good line of site, wireless will work just fine for you with the right gear.

For a reliable connection you will definitely want to set up a point to point bridge, not just a repeater.

Here is a quick diagram I threw together...


You would need to get 2 Ubiquiti M2 nanostations
and some CAT5e or CAT6 (CAT5e is just fine). If you don't feel like learning how to or buying the tool to crimp CAT cable, you can pick up pre-terminated cables fairly cheaply from Monoprice or Amazon..

I also included a Ubiquiti Unifi AP for wireless at the shop.

The Ubiquiti devices all come with POE (Power Over Ethernet) injectors, which means that they are powered by the same CAT5e cable that provides the data connection. What this means is that you only need to run a single CAT5e cable to each location and you don't have to worry about a separate power connection.

Another thread with some similar info... http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296196

Hope this helps...!